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View Poll Results: Who have you chosen to lead the country forward?
John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican) 4 15.38%
Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democratic) 15 57.69%
Ralph Nader / Matt Gonzalez (Independent) 2 7.69%
Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente (Green) 0 0%
Bob Barr / Wayne Allyn Root (Libertarian) 1 3.85%
Other / None / Write-In 4 15.38%
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Old 11-02-2008, 01:18 PM   #1
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Who are you voting for?

It's time folks, the election's right around the corner and history will be made. Let me know who you're voting for on the 2nd, or who you've already voted for, and post your reasons (if you want to).

Also, to make things more interesting, go ahead and add who you think will win the election anyway.

Vote!
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Old 11-02-2008, 03:10 PM   #2
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McCain/Palin - Obama's tax plans, his ideas how to pay for his social welfare/improve projects, lack of any experience on world affairs, and his good level of secrecy about certain things is a huge turn off. I think he's a better speaker and could be a great guy to be around and get a helping hand from, but I think he's too early going into it and is a big mistake people are buying with that word change he tosses around. McCain to me is a tested candidate, strong credentials across the board in most cases, and very fit for the position and his big bite into slimming government and cutting out stupid pork I call a necessity right now with the budget in the crapper. McCain to me would be a good spot to not raise taxes which is a horrible thing to do in a recession while finding the money but fixing up overspending and bloat elsewhere, and anyways you need a counterbalance to the congress so it's not a free for all on stupid ideas.
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Old 11-02-2008, 03:32 PM   #3
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Obama/Biden
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Old 11-02-2008, 04:24 PM   #4
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Probably a write-in, depending on how things look in the booth (really, I am still not entirely sure how to do it with the old school voting booths we use.)
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I didn't realize America has a green party. Why do the other folks get so little attention? In Canada, Green can go an election without taking a seat, but they're still included in every debate, conference, etc.
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I didn't realize America has a green party. Why do the other folks get so little attention? In Canada, Green can go an election without taking a seat, but they're still included in every debate, conference, etc.
as of this year, I dont think they were included last election. That woman didnt even win her own riding. lolz
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They didn't have a party-majority elected leader last time. I am really sad she lost her riding, tho. She's just amazing.
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I didn't realize America has a green party. Why do the other folks get so little attention?
Actually, it's getting to where third parties are getting more attention. The Libertarian Party is almost the official third party of the US.
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:50 PM   #9
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Our Green party actually did really, really well last election, what with climate change and water management being such big issues in 2007. They got like 8% of the vote last time 'round.
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:17 PM   #10
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I didn't realize America has a green party. Why do the other folks get so little attention? In Canada, Green can go an election without taking a seat, but they're still included in every debate, conference, etc.
I can answer that for you. The American Presidential Debate Committee is privately owned, funded by corporations and lead by former chairmans of both the Democratic and Republican parties. It used to be run by League of Women Voters, but in the 80s was hijacked by corporate politics. As such, people like Bob Barr, Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, Chuck Baldwin, etc. can not debate. Why? You need to poll at 15% in five different national polls I believe to be considered for debate. The last time they let a third party into the debate was Ross Perot, and as a result, he got 19% of the popular vote. So in other words, if they let third parties into the debates, the people see them and know there are other options, and then they vote for them. And god forbid someone other than a democrat or republican makes it into office.

In 2000, Ralph Nader was a presidential candidate, but was not invited to debate. He did, however, have a ticket to watch the debate. He was not allowed into the debate and had he tried to get in, he would have been arrested. In 2004 Michael Badnirik and David Cobb, presidential candidates with the Libertarian Party and Green Party respectively, were arrested at the debates in St. Louis for trying to enter.

In 2004, a poll of Americans concluded that 54% of citizens would like to see 3rd parties debate. A more recent poll showed that more than half of Americans polled want Bob Barr to debate and just under half want Nader to debate.
It's not a fair process, it is completely biased, and keeps the American people from being informed about their other options.
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:26 PM   #11
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^And there is the disgusting reality of that, shame the League of Women Voters lost that. That there is why you have to vote for either of the primary parties based on whoever on either side falls more in line with your beliefs because when it comes to the Senate (except rare cases) and the President only smaller spots are within reach.
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I don't have to. I refuse to vote for a "least-worst" candidate. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather vote for someone who will lose who I believe in than someone who will win but surely betray me later.

But as for going for the smaller seats, I agree. It's important to try and get people of merit from third parties on the local and state level. Though the presidential seat is a long shot, I think it's important for Americans to know that third parties have the big picture, as well as the smaller picture, in mind.
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I'm voting for Obama for reasons my fingers are too tired to count, but I still am of the belief that McCain will win by the narrowest of margins thanks to some surprise we'll probably see tomorrow morning and/or the rigging of voting machines and the lack of voting machines/flexible hours in poorer districts like what is happening in Virginia right now.

It always amuses me how Republicans were all so happy when they controlled all three branches of government, yet scream for balance (aka gridlock) when the other side is looking at throwing over the incumbent majority.

Still, my guess is they will get that balance. Polls really are a poor source of prediction since people tend to flip flop as it suits their mood, so I'll be pretty surprised if Obama actually manages to win on Tuesday.

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I've said it before, if I was betting I would put my money on Obama. I can understand not wanting to get cocky, but the pessimism of Obama supporters online is just astounding.
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My guess is that they've been betrayed by the voting system enough to remain skeptical.
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