What's wrong with the Muslim world?

[Smokey]

Disclaimer: If you are a Muslim, let it be known that I am not, repeat, NOT singling you out from any non-Muslim members, but let it also be known that I won't go out of my way to avoid stepping on your toes. No one does such a thing for Christians, Hindus, Buddhist, etc, and I'm sick of the bull**** hypocrisy.


I caught this on Blokey's website, and I was pissed off. I'm not too invested in Little Big Planet, as I don't personally own a PS3, but I would like to play it if I ever got the chance. But because some Muslim decided that there was something that could possibly be Muslim scripture, LBP is being delayed.

By itself, this is an annoyance, the degree being dependent on the rabidness of the fan. However, taken with all the other things that the Muslim world has bitched and moaned about in recent months/years, this was the final straw for me. I'm sick and tired of the idea that because it doesn't fit with their tender sensibilities, the Muslim church can bitch loud enough to make the offending party back off and apologize for something minor and harmless in nature.

What I propose is that, as a whole, the Muslim people shut the **** the up and man the **** up. Nobody raises a ****ing finger when the sacred beliefs, items, or persons of the Christian faith is mocked or blasphemed against. Don't even get me started on the Jews. Muslims have had their sacred items mocked for a relatively short period of time. What the bloody hell makes them think that they're somehow better than the rest of us and don't have to put up with the same goddamn **** that the rest of us poor non-Muslims have to deal with?

I'm ****ing shaking here. That is how pissed off I am about this.

[Tanooki]

Now that's not fair because some fringe Christian nuts do whine like children, but the end result unlike with muslims rarely ends up in violence. The problem with muslims is the religion in the print of the Koran/Quran preaches violence against all that aren't of their religion, though it does say to show tolerance too which is contradictory in itself. I guess it's like be nice and try to convert, when it fails...wipe em out as infidels as I understand it.

On the matter though I totally agree and said it elsewhere in that LBP thread in that I feel they need to shut up, man up, and stop threatening violence on anyone who dares speak a word or draw a pic of mohammad publicly. The majority of those in the religion aren't insane, aren't jerk offs, don't whine and get all PC and/or violent(blow your ass up.)

Want a laugh? I read already on the subject that the person who made this clip, which is only a few sec and only plays twice in the game IS A MUSLIM. HMMMM on that eh?

I'm with you smokey, but it's just a larger piece of the proof that muslim insanity has gotten well out of control right along with the open ability to PC up everything and coddle anyone to make it all better. Damn I miss 15years ago and back when PC didn't exist as a whole and as acceptable in society as it disgusts me.

[Smokey]

I realize that fundamental Christians bitch and moan about different things. The difference is that no one takes them seriously. And again, I'm sick of the bull**** hypocrisy.

And I did read that the creator of that clip was Muslim. Honestly, though, I'm not even sure that he intended to put Muslim holy words in there, or that he was even aware that it might be construed as such.

[Smokey]

There is a huge difference between proselytizing and bitching because someone realized you wear your heart on your shoulder and stabbed you accordingly, whether said stabbing actually occurred or not.

[Smokey]

Yeah, you did. But it's cool. As long as you get what I'm saying.

[Lizzaroni]

Originally Posted by Smokey

I realize that fundamental Christians bitch and moan about different things. The difference is that no one takes them seriously.

Gay marriage? Intelligent design?

And it's not just "fundamentalists." The morals and values crowd have made their mark on video game ratings, movie ratings, TV censorship, libraries, etc etc. They're everywhere. It's stupid to delay the game because of Muslim sensitivities, but it's even dumber to limit your complaints to the Muslim world. It's simply more apparent to you in this situation because it deviates from your own sensitivies.

[Tanooki]

Or perhaps he has a wider point over all the overkill levels of complaining muslim extremists and pacifiers do these days like that european satire cartoon of mohammed as bomb head which had had the artist get attempts on his life. While that's one extreme and kind of baiting the issue, others like this guy just put a couple words into a track on a game and it's like the next end of the world. It's really quite sad anyone pacifies this crap and allowed it to get to this point.

[Z.E.I.D.A.N]

Smokey, you don't understand the Muslim world. Very few people do. I've lived in an Islamic country for a majority of my lifetime and there is such an intricate relationship between Muslims and their faith that has been bound for thousands of years. It's so funny when people who have no ****ing clue about another people make assumptions as if it's so simple or you're in some kind of position to judge. So I suggest that you shut the **** up and man the **** up yourself, coz you're being ignorant and a little immature.


(love you tho)

[Rensa]

There seems to be a general consensus here that when Muslims get pissed off they are more violent than people of other religions. I'm sure nobody believes that other groups aren't violent at all - if we're going to compare Muslims to Christians, you need only look to Irish history over the last fifty years to see how religion can divide people (not to argue that religion was the single principal factor in The Troubles; only that it was a very significant one). There are also examples against the more specific case being argued here - that Muslims exclusively are violently defensive when their beliefs or sacred elements are questioned or parodied.

[Tanooki]

Wow nice to see someone from an islamic country call everyone ignorant and try and excuse very bad behavior and killings of others over touching on their religion. But hey they're tied to it for a couple thousand years so that makes it ok...oh wait Christianity and Judaism are pretty damn old too and you don't have too many of them threatening the same levels of harm and revenge over something as simple as having a few words placed, a cartoon or 'nice' depiction of the wrong image, and so on. Yum for doublestandards, but I guess that's how it works with muslims. They're off bounds, but jews and christians aren't. Fancy that.

Rensa you hit the point exactly. This isn't about ripping on muslims in general, just the fact they're whiny and overly touchy about anything that depicts something of their religion in the negative, neutral, and even sometimes positive light and when it happens violence ensues vastly more often in comparison to other similarly long standing world religions.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by Tanooki

Now that's not fair because some fringe Christian nuts do whine like children, but the end result unlike with muslims rarely ends up in violence. The problem with muslims is the religion in the print of the Koran/Quran preaches violence against all that aren't of their religion, though it does say to show tolerance too which is contradictory in itself. I guess it's like be nice and try to convert, when it fails...wipe em out as infidels as I understand it.

If you're going to make a statement like that you better be ready to man up and ****ing show me.

The reason Muslims respond in such violent ways probably has more to do with the wars most of them grew up in than their religion.

Originally Posted by Tanooki

This isn't about ripping on muslims in general

This thread is titled "What's wrong with the Muslim world?." Did you miss that or something?

[Z.E.I.D.A.N]

Originally Posted by Tanooki

Wow nice to see someone from an islamic country call everyone ignorant and try and excuse very bad behavior and killings of others over touching on their religion. But hey they're tied to it for a couple thousand years so that makes it ok...oh wait Christianity and Judaism are pretty damn old too and you don't have too many of them threatening the same levels of harm and revenge over something as simple as having a few words placed, a cartoon or 'nice' depiction of the wrong image, and so on. Yum for doublestandards, but I guess that's how it works with muslims. They're off bounds, but jews and christians aren't. Fancy that.

Woah, woah, woah, woah. Did you just say that Christians have never been off bounds? I believe the Christian people as a whole have been WAY more violent throughout history than the Muslim people have. Don't let your skewed attitude hide that fact.

But really I wasn't even talking about violence, I was talking about the Western perception of the Middle East. Religion in the west is an incredibly casual part of life in relation to many parts of the Muslim World. Many Muslims devote their entire lives to prayer and their faith. Muslims on average are ALOT more versed and involved in their faith; it's what runs their lives, their government and their behavior. You cannot even begin the understand that point, because you'll never witness it. I don't support violence of any kind, but you have to look at the Muslim world in a more complex way than just "they're whiny and violent all because of a stupid religion". While Christianity and Judaism have become less prominent in the lives of the people who practice it, especially in more advanced nations, Islam has always remained the central element to Muslims' lives. When you understand that point, maybe you'll realize just why there's always been violence and tension between Muslims and Christians, Muslims and Jews, and Muslims with other Muslims.

I think most of you know that I don't believe in God and think religion is a waste of time, but you're all out of your league trying to take on something as complex as Islam. We all are.

But it's sorta sad that everybody's hating on the Muslim world because of a freaking GAME that's been delayed a few weeks.

[JValone]

I understand the reasoning behind increased sensitivity to the use of Islamic symbolism within nations where that is the predominant religion. Your statement about how ingrained it is in the lives of nearly everyone there makes that easy to go along with.

The thing that I do not understand, and I can't excuse, is that same sensitivity being being brought to the forefront in nations that are clearly not predominantly Muslim. Comedy Central can't run a South Park episode with Mohammed in it, cartoonists getting threatened for doodling his image, one of Van Gogh's descendants being murdered for producing a film critical of the faith's treatment of women, and many other examples are what makes many of us wonder aloud about if it is a bit too much. Clearly Christians, Jews, Hindus, and basically any other religious group have there share of extremists and violent factions as well but if people were getting threatened on a regular basis for lampooning Jesus the USA would be missing a ton of great comedians.

The Little Big Planet thing is just another example of an irritating trend that treats Muslim sensitivities more delicately than other groups in the Western world, it's a double standard and there is no way around that. I mean, the song in question was written and produced by a man who is a devout Muslim and meant the quotation of text to be a tribute. Heck, his album even won a Grammy so it isn't just some obscure artist. If you have to censor that for fear of backlash the situation is a bit out of hand don't you think? I can totally understand removing that from versions of the game that appear in the Middle East or other areas where Islam is the majority religion but delaying it anywhere else is just too much pampering in my opinion. I'm not hating on the Middle East, I'm hating on the double standard that people here in the West have when it comes to this sort of thing. If they want to censor it in that area, fine, great, it may even be necessary, but in the US and Europe it most certainly is not.

It's just an extremely unfair situation when you can crap all over Christianity in the United States, and basically any other faith, but you don't dare stick Mohammed in anything lest you step on overly sensitive toes. Everyone should be treated equally because there are extremely devoted followers of every faith. Who's to say which of them have greater devotion and need to be coddled more?

And for the record anyone saying "X religion has done worse things than Y religion" is not going to be able to back up that statement. They've all been guilty of terrible things, extremists generally, so it's pointless to try to compare atrocities.

[Tanooki]

Haha seems I struck a nerve, good. I think JV there made the point on what I was thinking pretty well in his write up. All the religions have their nutcakes that do some pretty bad stuff, but it seems these days you get a lot of strongarm tactics by the fanatics of the muslim faith such as the few things he listed there (south park, dead van gogh relative, etc.) There just needs to be fairness in non-majority muslim nations/territories where people can feel free to doodle an image or say something jokingly without getting assassinated for it just like you can do with jews and christians. Double standards can go to hell essentially.

[HGW XX/7]

Uh-oh guys, we'd better get Rock Band and Rock Band 2 off store shelves/patch/rerelease the games, because some of those songs mention a Christian God, or even mimick/play on Christian prayers.

And get this. In those games you're actually actively participating in the songs. Sometimes even SINGING them too. Gasp. I'm sure the Pope is PISSED.

That'd be the equivalent anyway.

I don't think the choice made in this situation was the right one. Release the game as is. Muslims can boycott it if they're so offended.