As of October 6th, Obama's lead has been cemented to such a degree that he's maintained 5-9 digit leads on the national level, and is looking to turn some of the previously committed Republican states blue. In fact, his lead is so strong that all the real remaining toss up states usually trend Republican: Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana, Colorado, Nevada, Florida and Ohio. Some major networks already believe that Obama has topped the 270 electoral goal through research and poll averages, and most voters have shown that 1) the economy is their top concern this election, and 2) Obama is the man they feel can take it on. In other words, Obama's lead has peaked. But tomorrow, the second crucial debate is on, and it's a debate that McCain absolutely needs to perform well in to stay afloat. Bad news for McCain: he's under pressure to turn things around quickly, given there are under 30 days left until November 4th, and the debate will focus completely on economics, a topic the general public don't feel he's well versed in. The Good news for McCain? Tomorrow's debate will be a town hall format, an atmosphere that McCain usually does very well in, and this gives him a chance to connect with the voters in the final stretch.
So the stakes are exceptionally high for John McCain right now, but on the bright side for him, at least Obama peaked sooner and not later. John has two more debates to get momentum on his side, and that means either proving his prowess on economic issues, or changing the subject entirely (which he and Sarah are already beginning to do, if you've been following the news). What do you think will happen tomorrow? Will John perform so well that he begins closing the gap, or will voters think Obama won 2-0? And if it's the latter, what's the state of affairs as far as election day is concerned? How are McCain's chances?
By changing the topic, you mean screaming, "REVEREND WRIGHT!" "REVEREND WRIGHT!" "REVEREND WRIGHT!" in hopes that conservative Christians will put their Church over their finances? Yeah, I've expected this for some time and frankly, I think it will work like it does every time. I just don't know how well it will work because the times are so desperate.
Americans are shallow. I hope upon McCain's inevitable mentioning of Jeremiah Wright tomorrow night, Obama throws back McCain's pastor's quotes about Jews and Hitler. Of course, we all know he won't. He's too polite, and then the discussion will be about patriotism and values until November while the nation goes bankrupt. Works like a charm every time.
This stuff about pastors and values is irrelevant to how we will get America out of political, financial, and moral bankruptcy, but this is the kind of stuff that wins elections. It's also why that no matter how far ahead Obama is in the polls, I still think McCain will win.
Well I'm not delusional enough to think that McCain doesn't have a hell of a fight against him. Going back over many years of history Democrats tend to win hands down on the Presidential level when going into an election year having the economy simply cluster****ed. I imagine the mentality behind it is people feel bad, they're panicked, and they'll take any big brother and handout they can to make things rosey...something democrats are known for, while the Republican side believes in work hard, get what you earn (which honestly is the right way to do it, freeloaders suck.)
Had in theory Paulson kept his big stupid mouth shut, and by some stroke of luck this crap let's say wouldn't bubble over and be in the minds of everyone until say early next year, McCain wouldn't be in a bad spot right now...but that's fairy dust fantasy. Given the ****storm tanking the dow and everywhere else took in the last 24hours I'd say McCain has a 66% chance of failure at this rate. The only solace a moderate/right or right leaning type can take is that the economy is so wacked the most financially damaging tax plans and other crap Obama was wanting to do he can't do because the money isn't there, and if he did he'd get a one-termer blowback out of it most likely.
Honestly I'd say McCain should do whatever he can at this rate whether it is nice or not at this point to try and claw back a few percentage points. As long as he throws some good mud that'll stick and isn't made up it could do some serious harm to Obama which is fine, BUT...Obama could throw the Keating 5 crap back at McCain in kind. Even though the old timer didn't get hosed on that like the others, perception shows he was noted for 'bad judgment' which could be enough. I'd say he should throw out there anything Hillary did that really tweaked off the democrats in various swing states hugely against him as it may just be enough. People have short memories in many cases so anything is plausible.
McCain knows jack **** about economics. Fortunately for him, so do most Americans. He probably won't have to change the subject as long as he can keep the parameters of the debate very broad and vague. He'll stick with his usual "The economy is strong and resilient" and "the fundamentals are still strong" lines, while occasionally tossing out a "free market" lines to all the ****heads who mouth laissez faire but want their Wall Street bailout, while the rest of us throw up in our mouth over his gall.
I imagine the mentality behind it is people feel bad, they're panicked, and they'll take any big brother and handout they can to make things rosey...something democrats are known for, while the Republican side believes in work hard, get what you earn (which honestly is the right way to do it, freeloaders suck.)
I don't know anybody who doesn't believe in hard work for what you earn. It's just hard to find work when all the local businesses are going overseas and the economy is plummeting to hell thanks to the unregulated economy John McCain promotes. I know this mess we are in is just as much the fault of the ignorant douchebags who took out those loans they couldn't afford, but it's equally the fault of the unregulated market that offered the loans to them. McCain was promoting this setup a week before the system fell apart.
Case in point: John McCain knows sh*t about economics, but people know less. All he has to do is keep people thinking that Democrats are one step up from communists when the voters get gun shy around November 1st and everything will work out just fine for him.
I'm glad you don't know any freeloaders around you or personally, but being from a town with a large minority base who really uses all they can of the taxpayer dollars that crap really pisses me off. Free food, free daycare, free(or damn near it) housing+utilities, etc at the cost of taxpayers and a fair few of them just do the minimum to give the appearance of looking for work to keep it coming. Mind you part of the issue is the fairly long term used carsalesman douchebag of a mayor we have here that keeps doing lots of dumb/bad stuff and keeps getting re-hired by the idiots of society.
Well then lets not just blame McCain but every other dem and rep in the congress from sometime in the 1970s on when it all started. Pinning it on McCain out of pro-Obama convenience is fairly cheap. Most politicians don't know crap about economy, just enough to know slightly more than the public so they can sound well versed in it. The sad thing is, those few who should and control those necks of the congress/senate have proven they know even less than McCain has been tagged for (death glaring at Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) the final implosion we're having now.
The economy was going to crater no matter what thanks to failing economics practices, but Bush accelerated the process by straining the infrastructure beyond the breaking point. Neither candidate can fix the consequences of thirty years of failed Reaganomics in one term. All the next president can do is figure out how to run the country with Bush's record deficit and debt to China. Frankly, I don't know how we're going to get out of it.
But whatever. I'm not voting for Obama for the economy. He can't fix it. There's a whole book of other reasons though.
Wow 30 years of Reaganomics...good one. Stop living in denial as this was started well into the early 1970s in the legistlative. I'm not saying Reagan didn't help matters, he had his hand, but at least try to spread the blame fairly. The huge tipping point if anything came in the 1990s mandating by law and not regulating over the limits Clinton set for new homes. They wanted to get so many people into new homes they forced banks to take at least 20% of their mortgages under the 'risky' category of people almost surely who will never be able to pay it off if the levels spike a 10th of a percent or so as they did a few years back starting the mortgage landslide. As they didn't set a 20% level, some dumb banks push it way way higher than that placing themselves in stupidly dangerous territory causing the snowball effect of the last few weeks end result of bad mortgages causing bad debt, being insured(AIG) by the blind or naive causing the domino effect.
The next 4 years probably 8 will be one of if those in power have sanity taxes that remain flat, no sweeping changes in plans (health, etc) because they'll cost tons which we don't have, and just trying to dig out of it. In exact 12mo we went from 14200 -> 9900 on the stock market as of 10/6 which is pathetic.
Wow 30 years of Reaganomics...good one. Stop living in denial as this was started well into the early 1970s in the legistlative. I'm not saying Reagan didn't help matters, he had his hand, but at least try to spread the blame fairly. The huge tipping point if anything came in the 1990s mandating by law and not regulating over the limits Clinton set for new homes. They wanted to get so many people into new homes they forced banks to take at least 20% of their mortgages under the 'risky' category of people almost surely who will never be able to pay it off if the levels spike a 10th of a percent or so as they did a few years back starting the mortgage landslide. As they didn't set a 20% level, some dumb banks push it way way higher than that placing themselves in stupidly dangerous territory causing the snowball effect of the last few weeks end result of bad mortgages causing bad debt, being insured(AIG) by the blind or naive causing the domino effect.
The next 4 years probably 8 will be one of if those in power have sanity taxes that remain flat, no sweeping changes in plans (health, etc) because they'll cost tons which we don't have, and just trying to dig out of it. In exact 12mo we went from 14200 -> 9900 on the stock market as of 10/6 which is pathetic.
The money we don't have argument has no weight with me any longer. We never have any money to help the American public get health care but we can always find enough money to go to war or give away in aid to other countries. If we going to debt ourselves into ruin we can at least do so helping out own citizens.
The economic problems aren't limited to one party. Reagan turned our national debt from a mole hill into a mountain with his policies. Trickle down economics is the meaning of epic fail. Clinton's free trade agenda was deeply flawed. Our politicians always screw us on trade deals. We never get an equal deal. The agreements always seem to favor the other country. Bush...well if you look up cluster f*ck in the dictionary you see his photo.
You're retarded if you think the economy is unregulated, and worse than that if you think Bush even remotely put a free market philosophy into practice. Case in point: the Clinton admin, for example, pressured banks to loan to folks who obviously would not qualify for them otherwise.
Well that's your choice Darc, NOT MINE. I'm not rich, and what I have I refuse to give to someone who 'needs' it. There are enough bleeding hearts out there, rich who give to charity, etc out there that can do that on their dime and so can you if you choose. I don't feel the need to prop up a system of entitlement and robin hood like shenanigans to take from me and give to those who have less either because they fell into that life or chose to milk the system. Universal healthcare is a farce and one that would hose this country as the population is too great to support such a plan...that is, unless you want to see everyone getting a huge tax increase to cover it. Do you want that?
Like Liz said, you're being retarded on your entire argument. Got to love stupid people who feel it's the president who can always wave the magic wand and take the blame for anything that's conviently too hard to explain for them so just shove the blame on the figurehead.
My only hope tonight is that Obama makes fewer attempts to find intellectual common ground. There were far too many polite gestures last time, considering John just kept calling Obama ignorant. Obama needs to stop looking like the stereotypical Democrat wuss and directly assert himself.
Preferably with fewer words. I've never heard a silver-tongue stutter and ramble so much in my life.
No one on these boards will have watched her, but the leader of the Green Party in Canada has recently shown in our debates that you really can disprove someone, prove your own point, and educate an audience, all in one sentence, all without coming off as a snob. I know Obama's got it in him to do it. John doesn't. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
Well that's your choice Darc, NOT MINE. I'm not rich, and what I have I refuse to give to someone who 'needs' it. There are enough bleeding hearts out there, rich who give to charity, etc out there that can do that on their dime and so can you if you choose. I don't feel the need to prop up a system of entitlement and robin hood like shenanigans to take from me and give to those who have less either because they fell into that life or chose to milk the system. Universal healthcare is a farce and one that would hose this country as the population is too great to support such a plan...that is, unless you want to see everyone getting a huge tax increase to cover it. Do you want that?
Like Liz said, you're being retarded on your entire argument. Got to love stupid people who feel it's the president who can always wave the magic wand and take the blame for anything that's conviently too hard to explain for them so just shove the blame on the figurehead.
We're not blaming the figureheads...we're blaming the people charged with managing the economy.
Do you think Universal healthcare would cost more than this ridiculous ass war we're fighting?
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