The TRUTH about Microsoft and Nintendo

[EST323]

First, I'm very cross with the writers of this site for even running this "article." The original article was COMPLETE BULLSH*T and the masters of this site should have known that before they ran this sensationalist crap.


Secondly, if you are one of the many people who are DUMB ENOUGH to believe that Microsoft could buy Nintendo, then do us all a favor and get an education. You're CLUELESS if you believe this and truthfullly, the World doesn't need any more idiots.

HERE'S THE REAL DEAL:

-FACT: Microsoft is in DEAD LAST in the console race.

-FACT: The X-Box has lost OVER THREE BILLION DOLLARS.
Now some lame-*** will probably say "well Bill Gates can afford that." If you say something like this, then you are an idiot that has no concept of the financial World.

-FACT: Losing 3 Billion in an attempt to enter an industry that only makes 8 Billion a year is not only a joke but also a MAJOR financial catastrophe.

-FACT: There are MANY people within Microsoft who question whether or not the company should be involved in the console business in the first place.

-FACT: Microsoft is a JOKE. Windows sucks and the X-Box, although better than the PS2, is still poorly designed. (Yeah, I need a game console the size of a 1980's VCR.)

-FACT: Nintendo makes more money on games and software than ANY company in the business. How is it that people always forget this? Remember the GBA sells 3 units a minute.

-FACT: Nintendo WOULD NEVER SELL OUT. The writers of this site should know this. This is after all, a Nintendo site, am I right?
Dont you know ANYTHING about the company, it's philosophy and it's legacy? I guess not.

-FACT: LIES like this one hurt Nintendo. I dont come here to see trash dumped upon my favorite company. This was a BULLSH*T story that was based on ONE SENTANCE spoken by an IDIOT who doesnt even know that Nintendo has a new President. Bill Gates is a clueless MORON who doesnt even run his own company. (That's also a FACT.)


GCA Writers - Get a clue before you run any more crap on your front page.

Got it?

Got something to say b*tches? Come here and say it.

And in the immortal words of "Johhny Blaze"

FLAME ON!

[Da Ruckus]

haha since it said RUMOR and I bet they did it cause they have to report stuff like this, they are in a news dry spell kinda.
I'm getting a hermaphrodite vibe from you, 'cause I heard they have both male and female emotions.

[Shawn]

Originally posted by EST323
First, I'm very cross with the writers of this site for even running this "article." The original article was COMPLETE BULLSH*T and the masters of this site should have known that before they ran this sensationalist crap.

Secondly, if you are one of the many people who are DUMB ENOUGH to believe that Microsoft could buy Nintendo, then do us all a favor and get an education. You're CLUELESS if you believe this and truthfullly, the World doesn't need any more idiots.

The article was posted more as a "Hey, check this out" than "Hey, this is what we're really trying to do." I'm sorry if you can't appreciate it.


HERE'S THE REAL DEAL:

-FACT: Microsoft is in DEAD LAST in the console race.


Depends on what you're talking about. Microsoft is second place in both the American and European markets, and last only in Japan. I don't have exact figures but I know that their leads in Europe/America are close to the ratio of Gamecube over XBox in Japan. I'm 80% certain that XBox is second worldwide.


-FACT: The X-Box has lost OVER THREE BILLION DOLLARS.
Now some lame-*** will probably say "well Bill Gates can afford that." If you say something like this, then you are an idiot that has no concept of the financial World.

Do you have a point? That would only further explain why Gates would want to invest in the most profitable video game company


-FACT: Losing 3 Billion in an attempt to enter an industry that only makes 8 Billion a year is not only a joke but also a MAJOR financial catastrophe.


Sorry to tell you this, but it isn't for Microsoft. The fact is, Microsoft Xbox is doing very well especially considering this is the first attempt. Look at other first attempts and you'll see many failed. Microsoft hasn't.


-FACT: There are MANY people within Microsoft who question whether or not the company should be involved in the console business in the first place.

Do you know them? Cite your resources if you tag it "Fact"


-FACT: Microsoft is a JOKE. Windows sucks and the X-Box, although better than the PS2, is still poorly designed. (Yeah, I need a game console the size of a 1980's VCR.)


That's an opinion. www.dictionary.com if you need help.


-FACT: Nintendo makes more money on games and software than ANY company in the business. How is it that people always forget this? Remember the GBA sells 3 units a minute.

No one has forgotten about this, we report it quite frequently.


-FACT: Nintendo WOULD NEVER SELL OUT. The writers of this site should know this. This is after all, a Nintendo site, am I right?
Dont you know ANYTHING about the company, it's philosophy and it's legacy? I guess not.

No where EVER did we say we thought they would sell out. No where. We just sourced the article and said we'd keep up to date. It's not that big of a deal, so quit blowing it up.


-FACT: LIES like this one hurt Nintendo. I dont come here to see trash dumped upon my favorite company. This was a BULLSH*T story that was based on ONE SENTANCE spoken by an IDIOT who doesnt even know that Nintendo has a new President.


You apparently don't know that the old president still holds a lot of stock in Nintendo, do you? Guess not.


Bill Gates is a clueless MORON who doesnt even run his own company. (That's also a FACT.)

www.dictionary.com, look up opinion.


GCA Writers - Get a clue before you run any more crap on your front page.

Got it?

Got something to say b*tches? Come here and say it.

And in the immortal words of "Johhny Blaze"

FLAME ON!

You've got to be kidding me. You really think you've done anything with the above?

To be quite frank, nothing you've said has bugged me at all. It just shows how some whiney fanboys cannot take a simple news article with a grain of sand. Seriously, bro, you really need to lighten up.

FlAmE oN u LaMerS!!1232112! xb0x Su><0rs!

:pwn:

[EST323]

Shawn, do your homework before shooting your clueless mouth off. All it does is make you look ignorant.

Microsoft is in LAST PLACE, that's World-wide kid.

Losing 3 Billion is a MAJOR CATASTROPHE, regardless of what spin you try and put on it. There are MANY people inside of MS and within it's pool of investors, that question the very exisitance of the X-Box. If you had done youre homework, you would know this.

Again, get a clue.

Let's also forget my grammer for a moment. Bill Gates IS a clueless moron who doesnt run his own company. EVERYONE who bothers to read a newspaper already knows this.
(Bill Gates is only a figurehead now)

Of course you have no comeback for this one do you clueless?

Also, you claim that you "report Nintendo's financial success frequently." Well, maybe you should have read your own site before posting this sensationalist crap?

Finally, I'm aware of the current position that Yamauchi holds. You may also be aware of the FACT that Nintendo has shareholders and that Yamauchi no longer has final say in all business matters.

This is a Nintendo site right?

Get a clue and show some integrity before you end up like IGN. (A website that is nothing more than one giant paid advertisement.)

By the way, BS articles like this hurt Nintendo's image. Apparently you dont care. Talk about bitting the hand that feeds you.

Again, get a clue already

[Cooolcorey]

I say who cares what people think, it isn't going to change what's really going to happen, now is it?

[Steve-AMN]

Actually Microsoft is DEAD last in every market. They report numbers sold to stores while Nintendo and Sony report consoles sold to customers. There is a VAST difference. If Sony and Nintendo reported numbers sold to Stores then Sony would have even way more then they have and Nintendo would look a lot better, but that is considered Cheesedicking the numbers.

Second, Microsoft hasn't lost 3 billion in the Xbox haha are you kidding me? 3 billion is a dream number. There is no way they have wasted 3 billion and lost it on the Xbox.

The actual number is more close to 6 or 7 billion dollars.

We reported an ACTUAL news article. If you read the article wrong and took it differently then it was then we appologize.

[EST323]

I'm just saying that this article should have NEVER been posted in the first place.

Articles like this hurt Nintendo's public image.

Secondly, many times articles like this are started by the rivals of Nintendo. It's called counter-propaganda. It works very well and you fell for it. Talk about bitting the hand that feeds you.

[Robert-AMN]

How did we fall for anything? All we did was report on an article found on an industry news site. I think you were the only one who is looking so deep into this.

Besides, you yourself also brought up the fact the MS tried to buy Nintendo for $25 Billion or whatever a few years ago and Nintendo profusely denied the offer.

We may be a fan site/independant site, but we are in no way a fanboy site. If there is any news involving Nintendo, it is our job to report it.

[EST323]

How did we fall for anything? All we did was report on an article found on an industry news site.

Here's how:

Secondly, many times articles like this are started by the rivals of Nintendo. It's called counter-propaganda. It works very well and you fell for it. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Dum-de-dum-dum...

I also resent any accusations of my being a "Nintendo Fanboy."

It seems that anyone who actually stands up for Nintendo and the truth is automatically tagged as a "fanboy."

The article should never have been printed. I have said my peace.

[EST323]

And please, don't be so gullible next time :)

[Link]

It seems that you were the gullible one here, EST323. If you would read the full article (posted in the News forum), you would find that the article says that a merger is unlikely. Oh, and don't double post next time.

[Kirbimirsha]

EST323 i think your just trying to be the big kid here, STOP YOUR CRAP !

If you didn't notice , everyone ( well most that is....) know "The TRUTH about Microsoft and Nintendo".

You are just taking this a bit too far, and putting all the sh!t on the GCA staff is stupid like i can't imagine it. They are the ones wh provide you with the news the forums and NINTENDO ! if the news bit for you is over at IGN then why you here ?

oh and i forgot "fanboy", crying over an article is stupid, you were suppose to learn from it not complain....why did you read it then ???!!!
Just get over it ok ?

[MAX]

I love christmas trees.

Whose with me!

[andre]

I love that you love Nintendo so much EST323, and I find a lot of your points very intriguing, but yeah, please, calm down about it. I hate Microsoft as much as you, probably out of principle and them being total dumb asses and sucky software and hardware makers.

Yeah, this was somewhat sensationalist, the way it was worded and such, but GCA was NOT the only site to have this information.

Bill Gates sucks. Hold on......Would HE buy the company himself, with his own personal assets? To become the President of Nintendo? That would be wild.

[Kirbimirsha]

Originally posted by rottwylor
I love christmas trees.

Whose with me!

Is that to do with bill gates :D or is it me ? Yeah i do, only if there are presents under the tree.

I suppose you double posted on accident andre :P no sweat.

[andre]

i took care of it. yeah, this thing is messing up on me for some reason. lol.

[Kirbimirsha]

^^ that was pretty sneaky --~ oh and one last thing EST323 Bill Gates ain't a moron, he created one of the most successful business's in the world...

But he's a ***, not a moron.:pwn:

[MAX]

Nothing wrong with ***'s... some of the worlds greatest artists and leaders were fags. Don't knock em!

Moron is better for Gates anyway...the gay community sure doesn't want him.

.......unless he's a sugardaddy =)

[Kirbimirsha]

Sorry i didn't mean it in that way.....english yes i know different to american.....i meant it as pathetic.....

Is Mr gates married ( god bless him if he is....)

[MAX]

lol.. I was just messing with you!

Yes, he's married with kids... whom, I believe if I've heard correctly, will each only receive a small 10 million dollars of their dads fortune... I believe. That was a few years back that I heard that.

[Kaizoku_Kouji]

rottwylor, I too love christmas trees. It's good to see some holiday cheer in a thread started by an idiot trying to get attention!

[Kirbimirsha]

LMAO !!!!!! OMG that is VERY generous of him.........money makes the world go round ...........

[thegamecubist]

Originally posted by EST323

-FACT: LIES like this one hurt Nintendo. I dont come here to see trash dumped upon my favorite company. This was a BULLSH*T story that was based on ONE SENTANCE spoken by an IDIOT who doesnt even know that Nintendo has a new President. Bill Gates is a clueless MORON who doesnt even run his own company. (That's also a FACT.)


Great stand you made-even if it is fanboyish-but Gates says Hiroshi Yamauchi becase Yamauchi has a majority stake in Nintendo. Thus if Gates were buy Nintendo, he would have to buy Yamauchi's shares.

If you want to shoot the ****, however, I lead you to a cliche phrase;

Don't shoot the messenger.

GCA reported it. Fine. However it's news, and news that should be reported-whether you like it or not. I'm sure you didn't like when the World Trade Center towers were destroyed, but the fact is, all those reporting are doing their job. You can give your two cents, but why blame who is reporting? It's like blaming a pen for not working because you forgot to take off the cap.

[Kirbimirsha]

^^ Well said !

[prime_timer]

It won't happen. Let's just leave it at that, and remember that Christmas tree's bring joy to us, and leave a fresh pine scent, making us happy times two

[Kaizoku_Kouji]

Except when they turn brown and crispy, or if you're like my family and have an artificial tree.

[Cheese0089]

I think nintendo would go under or go 3rd party before being bought off i see them as being a company full one pride they started the video game industry there is no way they would be bought by a company that has entred the console industry what 3 years ago compared to nintendos 20 years (is it close to 20 just a guess)

[Da Ruckus]

plus Nintendo has been around since 1889 and microsoft since like what 1973? No experience whatso ever.

[Shawn]

Whoo hoo, this thread a'sploded while I was at work!

To EST: Cite me your sources as to your claims that Xbox is dead last and I'll believe you, however, good luck. Numbers are skewed across the board so it is hard to get an accurate number. If you'll reread my post, I made it clear that I wasn't sure on numbers, only that Xbox is CURRENTLY leading GCN in American and European markets.

Also, cite me your sources for the claims that investors are scared of the Xbox's progress. If you make claims like that, be prepared to back them up. Please don't respond with a lame "Well, where's YOUR sources?"

Also, the dictionary.com reference wasn't referring to your grammar, per se, but your word usage. You called some of your opinions facts, I just thought you'd like to know that they really were opinions.

He's the richest figurehead in america, so he's done something right. Once again, you've mentioned a fact by calling him a meanie-head or whatever you said, I really don't care to double check. :)

Check about two(?) weeks ago when we posted Nintendo's profit gains for the time period.

Finally, I didn't even write the article, I just think it's stupid when people respond like this to news articles. I called you a fanboy because of your rampant flaming of Microsoft and misuse of the terms fact and opinion.

Finally, I own you. Don't forget it ;)

:pwn:


To Steve: Uh, this has been debated before (Microsoft reports totals sold to stores, Nintendo reports sold to customers etc...) I think I'd like to see this cited :)

[Daniel]

Man this really has blown up. Even here at school. Hhhmmmm

[Shawn]

To everyone else, sorry to play devil's advocate. Many of you don't care about these flame wars and whatnot, but I have a quest. I won't stand still while our work is being flamed for reasons that are quite frankly uncalled for. EST presented a valid question: Why was the news post posted? However, he did so in a rude, vile manner that not only mixed fact and fiction, but annoyed me to all ends. If any of you really thinks our job is easy and carefree, then I'd love to see you join the staff. We are dedicating our lives (often losing money financially) to bringing you the best Nintendo news (Not to mention Xbox news through www.xboxadvanced.com) and we aren't perfect.

If you have serious criticisms, I'd love to hear them, but show us some respect, please.

Otherwise, I will consume your soul.
:banana:

[BigBroMario]

Originally posted by prime_timer
It won't happen. Let's just leave it at that, and remember that Christmas tree's bring joy to us, and leave a fresh pine scent, making us happy times two

When I was little I would make our christmas tree into a Rebel base for my star wars toys, and there was a secret imperial installation near the bottom.....SPIES!!!:D

[Cheese0089]

Whoa you must of been bored i had a tv when i was little

[brian23987]

I had a nes.

[BigBroMario]

I didn't get any video games til I turned 9 so the two years before that were consumed with star wars.

[Cheese0089]

^^ so between the time you were born and when you turned 9 that was only 2 years i think you may of missed like 7 years of ur life

[BigBroMario]

No b/c Star wars remakes came out 2 yrs before i got my 64, I was obsessed with trains and legos before then.

[brian23987]

I've been playing games since i could understand how to play them, so like since I was 5.

[BigBroMario]

I never really payed attention to them until my parents gave me N64. The only time I ever played them was at my cousins' house on the snes.

[brian23987]

I didn't really start getting into them(like reading gaming magazines and such) until I got my gamecube.

[Gamebit]

Where is this artcil y`all are talking about?

[TheBigN]

UM to MR EST the threadstarter whatever after reading a few of your posts i came to this conclusion (right after i threw up)
YOU MUST BE a Cancer, or Aries LOL because you FILLED WITH TOO MUCH EMOTION AND FEELING, (which are strong feminine traits) and CLASH WITH FACT AND REALITTTY. I think you should buy a clue.

Ok, first off if this was a bull**** rumor, who gives a ****? This is ONLY REINFORCING THE IDEA I HAD FOR A WHILE NOW, and a DAM good one at that. And you seem to forget (maybe purposely) that Microsoft WENT INTO THIS WELL AWARE THEY CAN COME OUT A BIG LOSER, and guess what, they may be "MICRO-SOFT" but at LEAST THEY HAVE GIGANTIC BALLS, Something NINTENDO DESPERATELY NEEDS (this in no way was knocking the Japanese manhood). So with Microsoft being DARING, and RICH, combine that with brains of Nintendo this is like i said before a match made in heaven. Its not about NINTENDO NOT NEEDING THEM, but about GROWING AND TRYING NEW THINGS, AND TAKE OUT THE DEMON IN SONY. I for one, think sony is insulting to the gaming industry watering the product down and abusing certain game styles. i wouldnt mind the least bit a collaboration of Microsoft and nintendo (which i believe care MORE about games and gaming than sony) to take gaming to another level. By the way im in no way shape or form a Sony hater, i just like a little more thought put into and innovation for gaming.

[Da Ruckus]

Originally posted by TheBigN
UM to MR EST the threadstarter whatever after reading a few of your posts i came to this conclusion (right after i threw up)
YOU MUST BE a Cancer, or Aries LOL because you FILLED WITH TOO MUCH EMOTION AND FEELING, (which are strong feminine traits) and CLASH WITH FACT AND REALITTTY. I think you should buy a clue.


aha feminine traits, told you he was a hermaphrodite like I sensed. :pwn: muah ha

[Steve-AMN]

Originally posted by TheBigN
..."MICRO-SOFT" but at LEAST THEY HAVE GIGANTIC BALLS, Something NINTENDO DESPERATELY NEEDS (this in no way was knocking the Japanese manhood)...

I love how even Nintendo fans do not understand Nintendo.

*sigh* I guess it is a true sign of the American mentality :(

Nintendo has "balls". As a matter of fact I would love to have ANYONE dispute the fact that Nintendo has the biggest balls of all. They have stuck by the family image on purpose you know. They see it as thier duty to provide parents with worry free entertainment. Something safe for thier children to play and for them to buy.

As a parent, when you buy a Nintendo product, 99% of the time it is perfectly safe for your kids. (just using 99% as a point and not as cold hard percentages).

No other video game company can provide parents that which Nintendo can provide, peace of mind.

Nintendo needs some balls huh? Well sorry friend, Nintendo has them, they stand by while idiots (not referring to you), Nintendo haters, and even Nintendo fans bash them up and down for having a quote un-quote kiddy image. They know that it would be so much easier to "sell out" and make M rated games that wash the floor with Sony and Microsoft and any other company. But they don't, they don't so they uphold and protect the Family Entertainment Systems and games that they have built for since the moment they got into Video Games.

Nintendo is about family.

Nintendo doesn't need balls, god damn, Nintendo ARE THE BALLS!

[Shawn]

Nintendo doesn't have balls? No other company would take the insanely stupid and craptacular attempts at innovation that nintendo has. Virtual Boy, Power Glove, R.O.B the Robot, Gameboy Camera and Printer, e-Reader anyone? :D

Not knocking Nintendo, it was actually kind of a catch-22 compliment. Nintendo definately has balls, but their ideas don't tend to catch on :(

Here's tipping the hat to the DS, hoping it becomes the first Nintendo gimmick not to crap out :D

[Daniel]

Originally posted by GCA-Shawn
Here's tipping the hat to the DS, hoping it becomes the first Nintendo gimmick not to crap out :D

A toast to the DS. Raise your glasses everyone.

[Ray-AMN]

Word.

[new_breed]

Um...how exactly does sticking to a market strategy that has proven to be a detriment to their market share prove the fact that they 'have balls'? (I swear to god I feel like dematured by about 6 years just for using that phrase). It proves nothing other than the fact that they're idiots. Even DISNEY publishes rated R movies like Pulp Fiction through subsidiaries such as Miramax...and they reap the benefits for it while their family friendly stuff continues to perform poorly at the box office.

How many of us saw Brother Bear?

Ok, now how many of us saw Kill Bill?

Sony has the market cornered because they provide ALL types of gamers with a selection of games. Not all of them are good, but enough of them are that everyone can buy a PS2 and know that there are at least afew games out there that they will enjoy. That includes Mature titles (heaven ****ing forbid, I know) and titles suitable for the whole family. I fail to see how Nintendo would own Sony and MS at M rated titles, when they have yet to prove that they can produce one solid one. They got Retro, Capcom and Silicon Knights to make their best ones for them for ****s sake.

Nintendo is NOTHING without their franchises and have seemed incapable of creating new ones. Anyone think Pikmin is a phenomenon in the making needs their ****ing head checked, and one of the most anticipated games for people on this board is a game where players control a monkey using bongos. You wanna call that design innovation fine, just pass me that crack when you're done with it, otherwise the thought '****ty gimmick' will remain firmly lodged in my head. GTA was a design innovation. Want proof? Look at the amount of games across several genres that have incorporated the design philosophy. Now, would anyone like to guess how many games in the near future will require the use of bongos to control the onscreen character? Yeah, not many.

Sony's first and second parties continue to improve by leaps and bounds, and even if they were as ****ty as some of you would like to think (they arent as good as Nintendo yet, although in sheer number of great games released they've raped the big N) they have 3rd party support to rely on, something Nintendo will NEVER get as long as they cling to this kid-friendly BS that you assume they are so proud of. Meanwhile Microsoft has already created a franchise that, in this day an age of mature gamers, holds as much weight as the Mario license.

Nintendo is as courageous in maintaining this family-first mentality as a captain is courageous in going down with his ship.

[EST323]

I'm sorry New-Breed, did you say something intelligent? I guess not, lol...

Anyway....


After reading through the posts in this thread, I can see that I have both my supporters and my detractors.

Here's a few of your responses:

Cite me your sources as to your claims that Xbox is dead last and I'll believe you, however, good luck.

The first report of Microsoft's failure with the X-Box comes from the book "Opening the Box." I met the author at an E3 show two years ago and he seemed to have a real insiders view of MS. At that point in the X-Box's life cycle, the system had already lost over One Billion dollars. That alone is proof of it's failure.

As for total numbers of consoles sold. Well, 99% of the press points to Nintendo being in second place. You work in the press, therefore you should know this. The only media outlets that have reported the war in the favor of MS, are the ones that support the X-Box directly. (aka "the official rag" etc..)

My own personal experience is also very telling. I have worked in retail as a "electronic media buyer" for some time. All I can say is that GCN outsells X-Box in my stores every month. And our stores sell at least one GBA every day.

Here's another good quote:

Also, cite me your sources for the claims that investors are scared of the Xbox's progress

This has been mentioned, on more than one occasion, in the Wall Street Journal, the World's most respected daily business newspaper. If you do your homework, I'm sure you can confirm this yourself.

However, the best experience I ever had with this particular subject also came at a recent E3. I was speaking with a gentleman who actually worked in the PC division of MS. He had a fairly lofty position within the company. When the conversation turned to the X-Box, his response was "FU*K the X-Box!" Very telling indeed. Anyway, he went on at length about how some in the company REALLY feel about Bill Gates and his "Pet Project."

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Finally, I just want to clarify a few things.

First, even though I am a VERY tough critic, I think this website is THE BEST Nintendo GameCube website there is. Hands down. Not even IGN can compete with this site. Nintendojo sucks, N-Sider is weak. Plain and simple, this site is the best.

Second, and this is the most important part, I just want people to understand that many times, stories like these are nothing more than "counter-propaganda." Who knows if Bill Gates even made these comments? (He probably did but who knows?)

Many times sleazy publicists will create stories just like this one, and then plant them in less than reputable news outlets, hoping that the story will get picked up. Many times this will happen at a strategic time.

Sony was publically accussed of spreading a false rumor about the X-Box "stratching discs" during it's Japanese launch. Even though newspapers printed retractions to their original story on the subject, the damage was already done.

This is a scumbag tactic waged by people who are more interested in marketing that in making GOOD GAMES. Unfortunately, this is a common tactic these days.

In the end, I apologize is my writing style is a bit "abrasive." It's just my way. You may hate it, but it gets my point across very effectively, and like it or not, it's something that needs to be done.

Thanks for reading. Lucky for you this is my last post. :)

[TheBigN]

Originally posted by Nintendo Steve
I love how even Nintendo fans do not understand Nintendo.

*sigh* I guess it is a true sign of the American mentality :(

Nintendo has "balls". As a matter of fact I would love to have ANYONE dispute the fact that Nintendo has the biggest balls of all. They have stuck by the family image on purpose you know. They see it as thier duty to provide parents with worry free entertainment. Something safe for thier children to play and for them to buy.

Nintendo needs some balls huh? Well sorry friend, Nintendo has them, they stand by while idiots (not referring to you
Nintendo doesn't need balls, god damn, Nintendo ARE THE BALLS!

Since when is making family oriented games in world NOW where adults are gamers themselves, and not just consumers for their children "HAVING BALLS"? Since when is taking the safe route considered having balls? Do we speak the same language? do we comprehend the same sayings or what? Not to sound too sarcastic here, but come on youre defending something you shouldnt, this is just sticking to WHAT WAS a formula that worked back in 1989-1995.

Stubborness is NOT having balls, matter of fact it holds you back most of the time and it has. Im not a whiner or complainer, but I love Nintendo i seek perfection like it once was, ESPECIALLY for their first two systems. Life, music, sports, all aspects of life are all about GROWTH and in alot of ways nintendo has, and in some ways they have been left behind. IMO, this doesnt have to be, i give nintendo credit as being geniuses, i just think its unneccesary certain things they do and they just plain know better.

Also why would anyone say "sellout and make an M rated game" im sure sony and microsoft dont say they sell out when they take their cracks at their child games they create. The market has more than one age group nowadays, and presentation is VERY important. Just the fact that the MAIN color of GCN was Purple (and a very bland one at that) HURT their image and sales big time. I still bought it, but alot of my friends turned their backs, because when they GROW they want their games to grow as well. Had the GC made their black console the primary color and not the "other" one, I think the gamecube would have had a more solid position in second place.

[Shawn]

EST, you still haven't cited me anything valid ;) In all honesty, I'm more curious than anything, because I know what I read, and half of what I read says one thing, half says another. However, when YOU are the one trying to make a point, why should I bother looking stuff up? I don't care what you think or what you claim to know, because unless it is backed up, it's all heresay. You have to be careful of that in journalism, ya know. The console numbers are skewed depending on who wants them, so your source is probably different than mine. If you really know the press, you should definitely know that much. However, you telling me all this stuff and then mentioning it is from a book over 2 years ago isn't very relevant. Show me a link, or give me an author's name, title, and date of publication.

Also, maybe if you followed the full story, you'd come to understand that the quote ended up being one that lost humor in translation. It was an interview in a German magazine and Bill Gates jokingly mentioned wanting to buy Nintendo should it become available. The translator probably didn't sound jovial, and the magazine misinterpreted. No. Big. Deal.

Last post or not, if you have some criticisms, then express them in an intelligent, "non-abrasive" manner and it won't come to this :D

[Link]

Originally posted by new_breed
Meanwhile Microsoft has already created a franchise that, in this day an age of mature gamers, holds as much weight as the Mario license.

Are you talking about Oddworld? That's the only MS franchise on the XBox that I can think of. Remember, Halo was made by Bungie.

I think you mentioned that Nintendo was relying on second- and third-parties to make their M-rated games. Look at Sony and MS. Their consoles are literally supported by third-parties. I haven't recently heard of any first-party projects in quite a while.

[Shawn]

lol....uhm....Bungie is now microsoft....and microsoft is bungie... :/ Microsoft employs Bungie, Bungie works for microsoft :D

[Kirbimirsha]

By the way "fanboy" here is an article clearly sighting nintendo as the strongest developer in the business

http://cube.ign.com/articles/536/536340p1.html

I think people realise that they are the strongest, its just the mainstream market that blinds everyone .

[EST323]

Seac-GCA, youre clueless, and frankly youre quite ignorant as well. I have made MANY valid points. Youre really not worth my time anymore. You have got to be the most misinformed writer I have ever met. Dont you do any research of your own? You should already know half of the stuff I have said.

How did you get this job in the first place? Truthfully, you make yourself look like a fool in this thread.

Anyways, Halo is a joke. We wait 4 YEARS for a game that is nothing more than a glorified FPS that moves WAY TO SLOW.

Wow, X-Box has one "good" game. It must be the best system ,lol!

[Cheese0089]

I hope Halo2 doesn't come out this year cause i want to see how many E3s it can go too it has already been to 3 E3s LOL

My 200th post can i have cookie now

[new_breed]

Are you talking about Oddworld? That's the only MS franchise on the XBox that I can think of. Remember, Halo was made by Bungie.

HAHA. Even if it were true that Bungie game wasnt, by definition, a Microsoft game since their buyout of the company in 2000/2001, the fact that you would cite Munch is hilarious considering Oddworld Inhabitants was never a part of MS, as one can tell from the fact that a) EA is publishing the next Oddworld game and b) its coming out on PS2.

I'm sorry New-Breed, did you say something intelligent? I guess not, lol...

You certainly seem to enjoy answering your on stupid questions with even dumber answers. If you missed the point of my post here it is: Nintendo is not smart or courageous for clinging to a family friendly image, and their current business strategy - combined with the fact that they are no longer far and away the best developer on the markey - will only lead to them losing MORE market share in the console race.

[new_breed]

Anyways, Halo is a joke. We wait 4 YEARS for a game that is nothing more than a glorified FPS that moves WAY TO SLOW.

Wow, X-Box has one "good" game. It must be the best system ,lol!

HAHAHA, and it is STILL heads and tails better than the best entry on the Gamecube, Metroid Prime, which has such **** controls that Nintendo had to think up a BS new 'genre' just to justify their inclusion in the final product.

Fact of the matter is Shawn got the job because he's a great writer with a level headed view of the gaming world, while people such as you have your heads so far up Nintendo's *** you can see what the majority share holders ate for breakfast this morning. Im not going to get into a pissing contest with you as to which console has a better lineup, but you proved the fact that you clearly started life as a botched abortion when you said that Xbox had only one good game.

[Kirbimirsha]

new_breed, please remember that nintendo is a business at the end of the day , which is run by business men......its all about making money.

But you WILL c new franchises, what with the DS and ReV coming >>> surely will bring more freshness to the market.

[Cheese0089]

New-breed don't double post just edit your old one

[EST323]

HAHAHA, and it is STILL heads and tails better than the best entry on the Gamecube

With this ignorant comment, NewBreed just proved he is nothing more than a fanboy.

[Shawn]

It's all a matter of opinion in the end. I don't agree with new_breed's comment, but I know for a fact that he isn't a fanboy. I know him in person, and he's very knowledgeable with games. However, he is anti-nintendo.

;) Bring it on, Sascha. bwa ha ha

[Kenny]

With this ignorant comment, NewBreed just proved he is nothing more than a fanboy.

EST, so because he likes Halo much more than Metroid Prime he's a fanboy? No my friend, that is called an opinion. You seem to have trouble discerning them with facts.

I loved MP, it was a great game, but I have a friend that loves Nintendo but can't get into MP because of the controls. MP didn't exactly tear up the sales charts, even with a massive marketing campaign.

I don't like comparing Halo to MP. They are much different types of games. I don't think MP created a new genre, that's just marketing hype, but it's the first game to successfully create an action/adventure/platformer in first person.

Then I'm banning him. Why should someone who's "anti-Nintendo" come to a Nintendo forum?

Don't ever, EVER, come and say Metroid is ****, just for the sake of getting some moronic Nintendo fanboys riled up.

This is your first warning.

Uh oh, here comes officer Link. If someone makes fun of your little purple-e-poo (with a handle) you want to ban them? I always knew you were bias.

He wasn't trying to get them riled up, they already were. Wise up, sir. Or as they say from your treetop village, "Moron estúpido ascendente sabio, senor"

[Shawn]

Uh, Migs, you missed the subtle sarcasm (even though he truly is at heart ;P) so don't ban him. It;s a very silly reason to do so, anyway. Personally, I like Halo better than Metroid Prime as well.

Okay, that's enough of this thread, I'm closing it.

[Miggy-AMN]

Yep. I was being too harsh! Sorry new_breed, I was being a jerk.

Continue as you were (well, without the fighting)

*OPENED AGAIN :D*

[AGrunt2Pesky]

Why would you want Halo 2 to be delayed? I love Halo & I want Halo 2 more then anyone else.

Damn PS2 fanboys

[Dpark]

I own an Xbox (spelled Xbox not X-Box.) Though I don't have Gamecube, Nintendo systems have always had a place in my heart because I associate them with my childhood as I grew up with the NES, the SNES, and later the N64. The game industry has changed a lot from when Nintendo was king. Games, like the gamers who play them, grew up. That's a fact EST.

I understand that fans of Nintendo have a lot of pride but give me a break EST! Has it occured to you, for maybe one second, that Halo is a good game? No you say? How about the Grand Theft Auto series, the Final Fantasy series (I know GCN has a FF game, but I'm talking about the traditional ones,) racing games like Grand Turismo 3, and countless other games on PS2 and Xbox. Not to mention being able to play online against other people on Live or PS2's online services. You probobly don't give any of these games a second look because like someone said you are too far up Nintendo's *** to see that the ARE other good games on other platforms. I'm not talking about all fans of Nintendo, just the hardcore ignorant fanboys.

Be honest with me for one second, if Sony would have come out with a drum periphiral most of you would have laughed at it. But because it was made by all-powerful Nintendo, it is so innovative! How about if Microsoft came out with a duel-screen portable? You guys wouldn't be raving about how new and innovative it is, you would probobly be criticizing it's design, and talking about how there is no room in the market for it. All I'm trying to say is broaden your horizons a little bit.

Video games aren't like the long dispute over which is better pony car: Mustang or Camaro. With cars, unless you are rich, you can't or wouldn't need to own both. With video games, especially with all the price reductions, owning more then one sytem isn't obsurd at all. Try different games, you may like them!

In the near future, I plan to buy a Gamecube along with Zelda: TWW, Metroid Prime, and Mario Sunshine. After that I will buy other GC exclusive games. That's because I know that if I thought for one second Microsoft had all the first party games I wanted I would be crazy. I admit most of thier first party stuff is crap.

Last but not least, don't criticise the writers for posting news about Nintendo. There was news that had to do with Nintendo, and whether it was a rumor or not, it needed to be posted. And about hurting Nintendo's image, unfortunatly not much more could be done to make things worst. It's a shame, but true. :(

[brian23987]

While you're buying a gamecube you really should buy Tales of Symphonia, it's an awesome game.

[Dpark]

like I said those are the three I'm gonna get first, then after that I will get a lot of GameCube's other AAA titles.

[Lovebird]

i think you're being a little too broad with you're statements with you're other post...because unlike other fanboys, many of the posters here do have open minds and broadened horizons...

but you should buy SOAL.

[brian23987]

yeah thats a good game.

[GCNobserver]

Dpark has a very narrow minded view of Nintendo fans.

Just because a person is passionate about Nintendo and their great products, doesn't mean that person is either a "fanboy" (an allegation directed only at Nintendo fans coincidentally) or a "console hater."

I own all four Next Gen Systems.

Plain and simple, I play my GCN the most. To me it has the best titles and the most enjoyable games. Does that make me a fanboy? No, it sure as hell does not.

I like Halo, I play the death match all the time. I like GTA, but I could live without it. Final fantasy? Well, that series was ruined the second FFX-2 hit the shelves.

However, IMO many of the "flagship" titles for the XBox and the PS2 are over rated. And even though I love the XBox, it's game library is anemic at best. Most of the titles on the Box can be found elsewhere. The same could be said for the Ps2. Does it make me a "fanboy" for saying these things. No, it sure as hell does not.

You see, we live in an era of double standards. You can criticize Nintendo all you want. Hell, you can even make up lies and print them on the front page of IGN. However, should you openly criticize XBox or PS2, you are immediately branded a "fanboy."

(Coincidentally, slick marketing and PR smear campaigns had a lot to do with this double standard.)

The situation is total hypocrisy as PS2, XBox and even THESE forums are FILLED with fanboy rants like "MS is going to buy Nintendo" and other crap that only an idiot would believe.

Nintendo may be arrogant. Nintendo may occasionally be stupid. Nintendo may have made some serious mistakes in the past. However, they still try harder than any company out there.

To me, their content is the best and they don't have to rely on lies, public relations campaigns, and BS marketing to sell their great titles. Their reputation alone is enough to garner sales. And Nintendo 1st party titles are almost always great.

You cant say that for the competition.

They also don't have to buy their reviews. I expect that someone writing on this site has enough experience in the video game media to know what I mean.

Nuff Said.

GameCube>Dreamcast>GBA:SP>XBOX>PC>PS2

[Tailzo]

Originally posted by Dpark

! How about if Microsoft came out with a duel-screen portable? You guys wouldn't be raving about how new and innovative it is, you would probobly be criticizing it's design, and talking about how there is no room in the market for it. All I'm trying to say is broaden your horizons a little bit.:( [/B]

Well, I've thought about that too. It seems that it may hold true for some people (although only a few). When I read about what people think about the future Revolution console, sometimes I wonder about the exact same thing.

But, no matter what console you may prefere, there is always people like that. (Like myself, I thought the Dreamcast was awesome, but it didn't sell well, and I still thought it was awesome. It died, I still thought it was awesome. I still think today, and I play it as much as my PS2, Gamecube and GBA)

edit : This was really off topic, wasn't it?

[GCNobserver]

Actually Taizo you make a great point, and it's one that applies directly to the issue at hand.

Dreamcast is and was a GREAT system. A far better system than the PS2 will ever be. However, many Sony fans were stupid enough to believe lies like "Ps2 is three times more powerful than the Dreamcast." Only an idiot would believe such an obvious lie.

So, believing this lie, many Sony fanboys ignored the Dreamcast at their own loss. For the first year of my PS2's life, I barely played it. There were almost NO good games for that system.
Meanwhile I was playing my DC EVERY DAY. I was playing ONLINE two full years BEFORE Sony and XBox went online with their own consoles. DC did it first and it did it best.

However, because some people were blinded by lies and marketing, they missed out on all the great stuff the DC had to offer.

Again, it's their loss. If they were stupid enough to believe what Sony had to say, then they deserved to be stuck with crap like "Fantavision."


Finally, I would love to address this ignorant comment:

How about if Microsoft came out with a duel-screen portable? You guys wouldn't be raving about how new and innovative it is, you would probably be criticizing it's design, and talking about how there is no room in the market for it.

All I can say is BULLSH*T. If it was a good system I would praise it and probably buy it. The author of this comment proves that is he is hateful and ignorant when it comes to Nintendo fans. He automatically assumes that Nintendo fans are all childish and narrow minded.

Nothing could be further from the truth. There may be a handful of people who fit this stereotype, however, you could say the EXACT same thing about Sony and Microsoft fans.

If Sony released a Dual Screen, all the Sony fanboys would be saying how great it is.


Finally, like I said before, just because you praise Nintendo that doesn't make you a fanboy. Just because you criticize the competition, that also doesn't make you a fanboy.

You see, we live in an era of double standards. You can criticize Nintendo all you want. Hell, you can even make up lies and print them on the front page of IGN. However, should you openly criticize XBox or PS2, you are immediately branded a "fanboy." (Coincidentally, slick marketing and PR smear campaigns had a lot to do with this double standard.)


Nuff Said.

[Cheese0089]

Wow you guys have alot of time on your hands if your writing alll of that