What does everyone think of the DS? im sensing this one wont be good for nintendo...

[TheBigN]

I think the gaming world is moving too fast, (thanks to the competition) and nintendo is going to have wayy too many products out there, I think thinning them out. The PSP IMO is a crushing blow to nintendo, because nintendo has more to lose than sony. regular gba, sp, and now DS will confuse the public on what to buy (yes im aware the gbas are older systems) and will lead people to choose obviously, leaving the other two on the shelf.

nintendo is almost competing against itself, as weird as it sounds but this was to me a very smart move by sony. are they calling it quits with sp (console)? with the ds having playback capabilities there should no reason to buy a sp (other than cheaper price). obviously weve heard all this, but im mentioning it because the SP had many millions left to sell, and unfortunately being forced to a short life by the competition (and itself).

and with rumor that the ds will have the "gb" initials in its name, and was supposedly NOT replacing the gba, what gives? what does everyone think

[Just Gabriel]

I think that you need to wait until the DS and PSP both come out before you make any judgements one way or the other. Unless you're a stock holder or something, it's really unneccessary to over-analyze everything. Just don't worry about it and wait until the real thing happens :D

[Freak of Kane]

I'm just worried about when Europe is getting DS. I can't wait to get my hands on AC DS and Metroid Hunters.

[Kirbimirsha]

Hopefully in march 2005 like it is being suggested....we are always the last ones served and its a shame because we are probably bigger than japan economicaly.

Yes it will be good for nintendo...they are moving the gaming in a new direction.

[blablamax]

Till the DS will come out the original GBA won't be in the stores any more . .atleast in Japan.

If Nintendo will market the DS under the GB name >> meaning that it is, the next Gen-GB >> they won't have any problem with competing against themselves. ... . but if the wont .. it will be interesting to see how they'll advertise it.

I dont see nothing to worry about.

[koten]

Originally posted by TheBigN
I think the gaming world is moving too fast, (thanks to the competition) and nintendo is going to have wayy too many products out there, I think thinning them out. The PSP IMO is a crushing blow to nintendo, because nintendo has more to lose than sony. regular gba, sp, and now DS will confuse the public on what to buy (yes im aware the gbas are older systems) and will lead people to choose obviously, leaving the other two on the shelf.

nintendo is almost competing against itself, as weird as it sounds but this was to me a very smart move by sony. are they calling it quits with sp (console)? with the ds having playback capabilities there should no reason to buy a sp (other than cheaper price). obviously weve heard all this, but im mentioning it because the SP had many millions left to sell, and unfortunately being forced to a short life by the competition (and itself).

and with rumor that the ds will have the "gb" initials in its name, and was supposedly NOT replacing the gba, what gives? what does everyone think

GBA (not SP) isn't being produced anymore, anywhere, and I think nintendo does plan on the DS replacing the GBA, but most people already have a GBA and nintendo won't change the name of the DS to GBDS until just a few weaks before it's release

[Daniel]

I hope that it can sell well. If Nintendo advertise its unique features when its released. The games will be great no doubt. I hope that there is some kinda mistake with the PSP that will bring it down. I hope that there is.

Say Gabriel did you get thoose Sprites from the ShyGuy Knigdom. I think you did.

[Just Gabriel]

A few of the sprites are indeed from the shyguy kingdom. However, I made the samus, the mario & luigi, toad, and link/guard sprites myself.

And yes, the PSP will definately be an obstacle. Anyone that says not is obviously an ignorant fanboy that blindly follows and can't be bothered by hard facts. However, with the functionality of the DS, (and suggested lower price) it would likely be a more sound purchase than the PSP. If I have the money, I'd definately buy both. However, if i could only afford one, if would be the DS.

[LucifersLegend]

Considering how no one really knows if sony can really crush nintendo, we don't know how this will turn out. Yea it sounds real interesting to play ps2 ports on psp but how many poeple are going to buy a more expensive handheld to play something their ps2 can play. Besides wouldn't you think that it would hurt their sales as well. We'll just have to see when they release.

[Just Gabriel]

I think, if developers know what's good for their future, they'll back the DS. If they want a quick buck and a step ahead of the competition NOW, then they'll go PSP. I just hope the masses are smart enough to turn to something as versatile as the DS, and maybe a trend of innovative new ways to interact with games will come from it. Honestly, I'm getting tired of gaming the way it is right now and am more than ready for a change or two.

[alegoicoe]

I think the DS is going to be a great handheld platform and that manny good games are gonna be realsed for it, the early line up of games is already impressive, imagine what will come after it.

[Steve-AMN]

First off, Nintendo is not giving it a GB name. It is NOT part of the GB series nor are they marketting it that way. The next GB is very loosely slated for the 2006-2007 release.

GB and the DS will be very different from each other. How? I have no clue WHAT-SO-EVER.

The DS is just a small step as to what Nintendo CLAIMS they have up thier sleeves for the Revolution and the next GB installment.

The reason people think the DS is part of the GB family is because it has a port to play all GB games previous. The reason Nintendo did this is to help soften the price of the DS for people who want to buy it. Nintendo won't rip us off like Sony will with the PSP but it WILL be more expensive then the GB ever was.

If you have the GBA SP and want a DS why but unsure if you want to spend the money, most would be more inclined to buy the DS if they can play all GBA games on it too. So that means INSTANT Library. Plus if they intergrate the Picto-chat into the hardware like they are thinking about right now then it would be even better.

[Kirbimirsha]

Then what explains the recent trdemarks with "gb" in every1 ?

There is one thing that is bugging me.....when will they give details on the wi-fi becoz this is a very important part of the machine....

If i dont get anything ssoooooonnn......we willl falll into the hands of sony !!!!!!! (just kiddin ;-)

[blablamax]

Expect it before/in TGS ... while Ninty known for their unlike for TGS and they never show there pretty much .. I believe that this will be a huge event for the PSP and Nintendo cant let atself not be present and to reveald all the information.

I really hope for SW2004...make it be!

[Spartacus]

Originally posted by Kirbimirsha
Then what explains the recent trdemarks with "gb" in every1 ?

There is one thing that is bugging me.....when will they give details on the wi-fi becoz this is a very important part of the machine....

If i dont get anything ssoooooonnn......we willl falll into the hands of sony !!!!!!! (just kiddin ;-) Uh....maybe because it has to do with the next GB and not DS?

And I think Nintendo is still making GBA (not SP). But on oders only.

[Steve-AMN]

NIntendo recently confirmed that the GB tradmarks have to deal with the next GB system.

What details are you wanting to know about the Wi-Fi? Like just don't say more...what SPECIFIC information are you looking for?

[Kirbimirsha]

Well like if its available from the launch....which games which will use it......the possibilities when playing with loads of people............the chat and video possibilities............

Call me pushy if you want, but i just wanna know the details for first proper internet/wi-fi console nintendo is gonna push.....

[Steve-AMN]

Of course it will be available from launch...it is intergrated into the system.

So far Metroid: Hunters, Mario 64x4, and I forgot what else uses Wi-Fi.

The possibilities when playing with loads of people. I don't quite understand what you mean by this. How can there be more possibilities of features or whatever just by adding more people. Now if you ment the possibilities of what you can do game wise with mulitple people then that would make sense although it is a question that answers itself.

They already said that there is the possibility to use the DS and chat through it (not that they are, they just said it is a possibility). Have not heard anything about Video yet.

These are all answers that have been out if you just looked a little for them so don't be so demanding next time ;)

[Kirbimirsha]

thanx...will try harder next time ;)

[Steve-AMN]

:p np man :)

[Just Gabriel]

Originally posted by Nintendo Steve
The possibilities when playing with loads of people. I don't quite understand what you mean by this. How can there be more possibilities of features or whatever just by adding more people.

You must be forgetting MMORPGs, where the point of the game is the large community or users! I'd be really interested in a DS port of Ragnarok Online--the best MMORPG out there at the moment.

[Cooolcorey]

Handheld MMORPG's...

Who would have thought that would happen?

[Kirbimirsha]

it certainly is a possibility i would have thought....it would soooo cool for Ragnarok Online to come on the DS ....

NINTY are you listening !!!!???????

[Nathantendo]

The only thing with DS Wi-Fi I am worried about is battery life. PDA's with built in Wi-Fi often have to deal with a much faster power consumption when their using it. Although Nintendo usually does find an effective way to deal with battery life. Sony on the other hand is screwed enough as is.

[Steve-AMN]

Battery life will not be a problem with the DS on Wi-Fi, Nintendo has NEVER released a handheld that had bad battery life and sometimes sacrificed important features to make sure the battery life was good (GBA back lit as an example).

[Cooolcorey]

Originally posted by Nintendo Steve
Nintendo has NEVER released a handheld that had bad battery life...

Hey, neither has Sony. :rolleyes:

[Cheese0089]

untill now 2.5 hrs is not good battery life

[Nathantendo]

Sony's $600 Clie UX50 gets 2 hours gameplay and 2.5 hours of WiFi usage. Thats insane crappiness!

[alegoicoe]

The developers doesnt even know what the psp can do, and sony said that they dont want any ports, i dont know what kind of library do they want.

[Eph_Yu]

Originally posted by Cooolcorey
Hey, neither has Sony. :rolleyes:

Maybe, but remember the other products sony product(a little thing called pocketstation). It was suppose to be the nswer to sega's not defunct VMU but never made its way to the stateside due to battery problems.

PSP may also be facing the same fate since it's media is spinning disc based rather than semiconductor cartridge, it would require more power to stream information from disc to the system for games. Even if they utilize a way to reduce steaming, the processing of information would be theoretically limited especially for ps2 ports.

[Steve-AMN]

One of the major problems I see with the PSP is the spinning disc's PERIOD. Wayyyyyy too much to damage and waaaaaaayyyy too easy to do the damage.

[Skett]

In my opinion, I hope that DS and PSP will co-exist without any kind of huge market share. More of a 50-50 market share. DS and PSP both hold great potention, just a very different type. In the end, to me battery life will determine if I buy the system at launch or not. But in the end, I will buy both systems and enjoy the games that are created for them.

[COTTON]

If the PSP has anything more interesting than a bunch of PS2 ports, then maybe I'll buy one. Until Sony provese it's got original content, I don't care about it [PSP].

[Daniel]

But its the casual gamers that will launch the damm console. Unless Nintendo can show how cool the DS is with having its many intergrated functions. That would be the best way to sell the DS.

They should attempt to make it look modern.

[Just Gabriel]

I really think people need to stop with the "casual gamer" remarks. I know a guy that plays nothijng but sports games and halo (not to mention alot of SNES, but for current-gen he sticks to "mainstream" games) and he games more than anyone else I know. He eats, sleeps, AND dreams gaming. So why does it that people who play a certain type of games always see themselves are "higher" or "more hardcore" than other gamers? I'm getting sick of the generalizations, as it really means nothing and shows jsut how misinformed people who sit at home all day really are.

Anyways, putting an end to my little rant, there are people with different tastes in games. Just because they like a different type than you, doesn't mean they're "lower on the gaming ladder" or "inferior". It's ignorant, and very fanboy-ish. People don't only play PS2, say, because they don't know as much about games, but just because they have different tastes in games. It's also going to stay like that, but that's why we have different genres, isn't it?

[alegoicoe]

thats true no matter what type or what genre you play, you still a gamer.

[Jaga]

i play mostly sports games too... i wonder if i'm casual

[TheBigN]

Originally posted by Gabriel-GCA
I really think people need to stop with the "casual gamer" remarks. I know a guy that plays nothijng but sports games and halo (not to mention alot of SNES, but for current-gen he sticks to "mainstream" games) and he games more than anyone else I know. He eats, sleeps, AND dreams gaming. So why does it that people who play a certain type of games always see themselves are "higher" or "more hardcore" than other gamers? I'm getting sick of the generalizations, as it really means nothing and shows jsut how misinformed people who sit at home all day really are.

Anyways, putting an end to my little rant, there are people with different tastes in games. Just because they like a different type than you, doesn't mean they're "lower on the gaming ladder" or "inferior". It's ignorant, and very fanboy-ish. People don't only play PS2, say, because they don't know as much about games, but just because they have different tastes in games. It's also going to stay like that, but that's why we have different genres, isn't it?

oh ladies and gentlemen, take heed on a prime example of what a REAL gamer should think and sound like. I give this man a round of applause for this post, because i wondered/thought the same exact thing. the thing is Gabriel, the reason why I think the so-called "hardcore gamers" came up with the label "casual gamers", is because gaming is THEIR "territory", of total Nerd-om-hood. So, when a gamer oh lets say, enjoys sports games more than others, the hardcore gamer turns his nose up on that, because deep down they resent THE JOCKS!

i know this might be lookin at it too deep, but lets not forget reality, their are geeks, and jocks in life. so when the jocks, or "cool people" not only enter the gaming world, but play THEIR own games, then the hardcore gamers bear down and criticize heavliy, because like i said its their territory.

back to the original subject, after posting this thread ive gained confidence infact of what the ds has to offer, and im really buying into the whole "innovation over technology" thing (although im hoping that nintendo wants us to focus on that standpoint, but also keep the technology on par with the latest innovation) I guess the only thing nintendo has left to do, is convince the market, TAKE A BOLD STANCE, AND DIP IN THOSE HEAVY POCKETS AND CAMPAIGN, ADVERTISE TO NATIONAL AUDIENCES! SAD TO SAY MANY PEOPLE THINK NINTENDO IS UNCOOL! GET A SUPERSTAR, EVEN ATHLETE WHATEVER TO ENDORSE NINTENDO SO WE ARE "COOL" AGAIN AND ATTRACT THE MASSES! LONG LIVE THE BIG N! (and nintendo as well)

[XboxEvolved]

My whole take on it is, I don't think PSP will totally crush the DS or GBA like sony did in home consoles, because nintendo knows sony isnt ******* around anymore and will not make any errors. I think if anything the market will just expand like the console market has to make room for all. Besides that I think SP will quit production within the next year and if I was right about DS playing GB games a few months ago while Nintendo was saying it wouldnt be a GB and many Nintendo fans took that as it not playing GB games, I think this is their next GB. I know what Nintendo said but Nintendo isnt the keeper of promises. Nintendo could market it like this "the gameboy you can control with a touch-screen" and freakin sell-out. If it was like "this is nintendos new system that has a touch-screen" your gonna get less of a turn out.

Also I think the entire measurement of gamers is hard, and often like people do with religions use the hardcore term to make themselves look better. People on this forum try to say they are hardcore because they stuck with Nintendo, this and that, thinks because they believe GTA to be immature and would rather play Animal Crossing they are hardcore. Those kinds of people piss me off and besides that I think the damned market for gaming is so massive, saying your a gaming fan is like saying your a fan of TV, everyone watches TV, everyone games.

Gabriel-GCA says: Amen to that

[I'mSuperAwesome!]

I dont know if i heard it here or if i heard it somewhere else, but i know someone said that the next gameboy was gonna launch around 2005 or 2006? doesnt anyone think thats too many handhelds?







Originally posted by Kirbimirsha
it certainly is a possibility i would have thought....it would soooo cool for Ragnarok Online to come on the DS ....

NINTY are you listening !!!!???????

dont forget Gunbound

[Just Gabriel]

Originally posted by _Gus_

dont forget Gunbound

Well, Gunbound would be nice, but I doubt softynx would actually port it unless they made a deal with another development company to do the job for them.

[prime_timer]

If Nintendo took the time to develop their own original MMORPG, im sure it would be great fun.... or just Wi-Fi enable Animal Crossing. Cause honestly, i dont much care for Ragnarok Online, and the only other good MMORPG out there is Everquest, which as we all know, is Sony's property.

Speaking of online RPG's, Diablo on DS would own

[I'mSuperAwesome!]

is it even possible?guess if it was made for PS, it can be done for ds.

[prime_timer]

No, it's Sony's own intellectual property. It'd be like playing a Zelda game on Xbox.... it wont happen

[I'mSuperAwesome!]

um, intellectual property? all i know is that blizzard makes diablo...

[prime_timer]

yes blizzard does make diablo. they also make Warcraft and Starcraft. since blizzard is a 3rd party, they can put their games on whatever platform they damn well please (mostly the PC, but look for Starcraft: Ghost in 2005 on all consoles.). So while it's a possibility (a very small one) we could see Diablo on the DS, we'll never see Everquest on it, as it belongs to Sony