Gained back some respect for McCain

[Darc Requiem]

I had lost a great deal of respect for McCain over the past 6 months. However, I have to say I saw the "real" John McCain again for the first time when he yanked the microphone out of that woman's hand that called Obama an Arab. He said something to the effect and I'm paraphrasing "He's not an Arab. Senator Obama is a good family man who I just happen to disagree with on the issues." The look on his face when she said that appeared to be genuine surprise. I have to get McCain credit for being a stand up guy in that situation :thumbs up:

[Lizzaroni]

I would give him more credit if he didn't passively let such sentiment permeate the whole of his campaign and only speak up when there is a microphone and a camera around.

[Tanooki]

McCain can't do a damn thing about peoples personal opinions. Other than him talking down people doing that when they do it such as that old bag with the Arab terrorist crack his hands are tied.

I highly doubt if he came out with a 30sec ad spot and posting something on his website ultimately saying 'cut the crap' it would do no good. Honestly if anything his enemies would use it as a weapon against him in many colorful ways because politics are full of petty jerks who'd rather pick at the fresh meat like vultures than work together to shut up stupid fools like the old bag.

Darc I believe the quote more or less started as: You're wrong ma'am. Sen Obama is a decent family man and trailed off from there as you had it. I've watched McCain since the early 90s and I could see he was agigated by that old bag and I'm glad he ripped that mic away and basically in the most politically friendly way possible said (sit your stupid old ass down and shut up.)

[MR EPIC]

I highly doubt if he came out with a 30sec ad spot and posting something on his website ultimately saying 'cut the crap' it would do no good. Honestly if anything his enemies would use it as a weapon against him in many colorful ways because politics are full of petty jerks who'd rather pick at the fresh meat like vultures than work together to shut up stupid fools like the old bag.

Nicely said sir.

[Hottotty]

Liz is on the money on this one. He let his campaign take a vaguely racist slant, and as soon as he could look like this hero rushing to Obama's aid, he does it. teh sux.

[Smokey]

This isn't a slam on McCain, but I think you're giving him too much credit. I really don't think McCain realized how much racism was present in his campaign and supporters. McCain isn't the calculating bastard that Cheney and other members of the GOP are.

[Blinger101]

I'm too lazy. Is there some YouTube video of this action?

[Lucas]

I would give him more credit if he didn't passively let such sentiment permeate the whole of his campaign and only speak up when there is a microphone and a camera around.

This isn't a slam on McCain, but I think you're giving him too much credit. I really don't think McCain realized how much racism was present in his campaign and supporters. McCain isn't the calculating bastard that Cheney and other members of the GOP are.

At this point, I'm willing to believe that his campaign is at least 60% Karl Rove, 30% Sarah Palin, and 10% John McCain. John McCain seems to be in the unfortunate situation of being the head of a campaign run by the slime of the Earth. I don't think John McCain is to blame for most of this. I blame him for his poor judgment and taste in the people he chose to represent him, but as my feelings for the man himself?

Honestly, I think he's a real living American hero. That's why this campaign pisses me off so much because it tarnishes his image. I just want it to be over. We've got too few heroes left in this country, let alone respectable ones. I disagree with him on pretty much every social issue, and a lot of political ones, but I respect him as a person. His staff and VP are psychopathic neo-conservative warmongering holy rollers who I view as the bottom feeders of humanity, but I don't look at John McCain that way. He's just a good man with very poor taste in staff. If I had been old enough to vote in 2000, I can't say I would have supported him then either, but I will say that like George Bush Sr., I would have respected him. He was probably the right man to lead the country for that time. He just isn't now.

I'm just looking forward to the last debate getting out of the way so we can wind this sucker down and move on--regardless of the outcome. I'm tired of the hate from both sides. This election has brought out the worst in people (myself included) and I want to move on.

I'm too lazy. Is there some YouTube video of this action?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7R-s-71csY

John McCain is a decent human being. As for the people in that crowd who booed him for doing the respectful thing any decent human being would do? I'll leave that to your personal judgment, but it just isn't right.

[Lizzaroni]

Outside of his military service, I don't find anything particularly admirable about the man. His policies are abhorrent and he's managed to turn even his service into a giant cliche. I don't think he's bright by any stretch of the imagination, but you don't have to be smart to know that ceding your autonomy over to some sort of party machine is going to have ramifications both political and personal (ex. integrity.) His judgment and taste are integral to who "the man himself" is.

It's a deficiency in character, not intelligence, and the former is just as important because it's the vehicle for all the things a person will do.

[Tanooki]

^That's harsh and a pretty wild and out of touch piece of writing more or less, but I do think the whole POW thing has been beaten, broken, caned, bound, hug, gagged, slapped, punched, starved, and nearly to death.


Lucas: Just out of curiousity why do you give 60% of the blame to that Rove guy on the McCain campaign? He's a Fox News contributor and is on record as I recall clearly stating he has not advised him, will not, and is not employed by McCain in any capacity.

[Lizzaroni]

^That's harsh and a pretty wild and out of touch piece of writing more or less, but I do think the whole POW thing has been beaten, broken, caned, bound, hug, gagged, slapped, punched, starved, and nearly to death.
How is it harsh? Outside of my personal observation of his intelligence, I haven't belittled him anymore than he's belittled himself. He either honestly believes that Obama is a good man and has merely lost control of his campaign, or he's deliberately fanning the flames so he can put out the fire. In the former, he's incompetent and in the latter he's done nothing to warrant any sort of newfound (or regained) respect.

[Z.E.I.D.A.N]

Okay, let's set things straight first off. The McCain campaign's behavior over the past two weeks has fanned the flames of hate and discrimination that has never been exposed by his supporters in the past. Their insinuations have brought race and patriotism (or lack thereof) into the political spotlight, at a time when Americans simply don't need it. Their fear-mongering and blatant ripping of Obama's character have led to the supporters' backlash at these rallies. So Jeff, you can say things like "It's not McCain's fault these people are nuts", but the fact is that McCain's campaign has given these nuts the message that these assumptions and implications about Obama are perfectly acceptable. People don't let go of their racism or discrimination, but campaigns should go out of their way to condemn behavior whenever they see it taking a prominent position in political attitude today. Now, of course McCain had to speak out at the lady accusing him of being an Arab (what else can you do when she has your microphone and you're staring at her in the face), but just denouncing something as ridiculous as that simply doesn't make up for the fact that his party has stirred up insinuations that are completely uncalled for.

As for that lady specifically, I'm not sure what to think when McCain's response to "Obama's an Arab", is "no, he's a decent man" :rolleyes:

[Smokey]

As for that lady specifically, I'm not sure what to think when McCain's response to "Obama's an Arab", is "no, he's a decent man" :rolleyes:

Well, it's pretty obvious. Everyone knows you can't trust an Ay-rab farther than you can throw him.:P

[HGW XX/7]

As for that lady specifically, I'm not sure what to think when McCain's response to "Obama's an Arab", is "no, he's a decent man" :rolleyes:

1.) It was clear she doesn't think of Arab's as decent people, so I don't see where your problem is.
2.) Would you have rather have him say, "No ma'am. He's not an Arab, he's just black."? 'Cause I'm sure there'd be someone in the crowd that'd say "THAT'S MY POINT!".

You decide the best course of action.

[Smokey]

*pulls Sean aside*

Zeidan's Lebanese.

[Z.E.I.D.A.N]

1.) It was clear she doesn't think of Arab's as decent people, so I don't see where your problem is.
2.) Would you have rather have him say, "No ma'am. He's not an Arab, he's just black."? 'Cause I'm sure there'd be someone in the crowd that'd say "THAT'S MY POINT!".

You decide the best course of action.

My point (although it wasn't really a serious one) is that he indirectly made it come off as if being decent and being an Arab are conflicting terms. I know he was just repeating what he said earlier to another person, but it was my mom that saw that and I thought it was a funny flub on McCain's part.

[Lovebird]

Well we all know that you can't be arabic and decent.

lulz

waddadouche

[Tanooki]

Ahh the spin in here just gets more and more petty.

[Hottotty]

How is that even spin? It's what McCain said, dude. He's a douche, you're a douche, I'm a douche, if we can't celebrate people's obscene shortcomings, then what do we have left?

Nothing!

[Z.E.I.D.A.N]

lol

[HGW XX/7]

*pulls Sean aside*

Zeidan's Lebanese.

I wasn't trying to be an ass, but I think it's hard to pin McCain for something so blunt and indirect. He was discussing Obama and not Arabs, I highly doubt it was intentionally insinuating that Arabs in general are indecent.

[Rensa]

Well, that might've just been a slip of the tongue. Hard to tell since I haven't watched the video of it.

(says something about our day and age - or perhaps just my place in it - when I assume there's video footage of any given quote, dunnit?)

[Smokey]

I wasn't trying to be an ass, but I think it's hard to pin McCain for something so blunt and indirect. He was discussing Obama and not Arabs, I highly doubt it was intentionally insinuating that Arabs in general are indecent.

And I wasn't saying that you were. I just wasn't sure if you were aware of Zeidan's genetic lack of decency.:P