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Smokey
09-19-2008, 08:34 PM
I thought it do be appropriate to be suggestin' this topic on special day. So, ye landlubbers, what do it be? Despite me use of pirate speak, I do be sayin' Vikings.

JValone
09-19-2008, 10:00 PM
Historically speaking Vikings are the only ones to accomplish anything worth noting. Pirates got smacked down by British Empire, Ninjas got smacked down by Samurai, neither of those groups really did anything noteworthy other than inventing entertaining weapons and style of speech. As for cool factor, I've always favored ninjas myself. Jack Sparrow is the only pirate I've ever thought was that awesome, and he's a pretty atypical example of the group. Vikings are cool, but all the historically inaccurate super abilities ninja possess are just too awesome to top.

Lizzaroni
09-19-2008, 10:04 PM
Even though pirates were basically sociopaths, I side with them because they stuck it to the Mercantilist Man.

HGW XX/7
09-19-2008, 11:21 PM
Vikings. There's no argument anybody could make that could change my mind.

MikeWolfskin
09-19-2008, 11:29 PM
Ninjas no question asked are smarter , cooler, and just right the best.

brian23987
09-20-2008, 12:22 AM
vikings kill pirates
ninjas kill vikings
pirates kill ninjas

vikings are way more badass though

MR EPIC
09-20-2008, 02:15 AM
I'm from an older generation so you guys are going to have to clue me in as to when this whole "Pirates vs Ninja" debate started. Ninjas are highly trained stealth assassins and there is no being on earth that could take them down. Pirates may have guns but a ninja who's hiding in a tree will have a shuriken in his forehead before the guy can even pull it out. The only "reasonable" scenario where a Ninja could be defeated is if he went one on one vs a samurai with katanas only. The samurai in most cases were better trained with swords than ninjas, but ninjas have so many more skills and weapons at their disposal. Simply put: Ninjas are disciplined and undergo strict training for a good portion of there lives, whereas pirates and Vikings were just fat slobs.

blokeymon
09-20-2008, 06:08 AM
Ninjas - they lose an eye or a leg, they're pretty much ****ed.

Vikings - their idea of heaven involes big fat women singing.

Pirates - losing a leg or an eye just makes them cooler and more hardcore, and their idea of heaven involves big titted women who bring them beer.

Simple really. Arr.

Smokey
09-20-2008, 03:07 PM
Vikings were just fat slobs.

Ahem.

http://www.amazingcomics.it/thor5web.jpg

Thor says hi.:D

Besides, have you ever heard of berserkers? They were Vikings. They could take anything and keep on trucking until they were hacked to pieces or they suffered massive internal organ failure. I defy you to tell me about a ninja that could do that.

Z.E.I.D.A.N
09-20-2008, 03:12 PM
Ninjas, coz it's all about stealth and agility.

MR EPIC
09-20-2008, 03:33 PM
Besides, have you ever heard of berserkers? They were Vikings. They could take anything and keep on trucking until they were hacked to pieces or they suffered massive internal organ failure. I defy you to tell me about a ninja that could do that.

I'm pretty sure that when a ninja decapitated a viking, his truckin' days would come to a screeching halt.

Smokey
09-20-2008, 03:55 PM
Sure, if a ninja could muster the physical force necessary to do so. Vikings are HUGE, necks included. Ninjas are typically rather scrawny, and they don't really go for big blades, which would be all they could use if they didn't possess enough muscle to do it with a small but sharp one.

Anyway, if a ninja got close enough for a decapitation, one bearhug from a Viking would break his back; one bearhug from a berserker (who were often epileptic to some degree) could literally break him in half.

MR EPIC
09-20-2008, 07:15 PM
See that's where you're underestimating the stealth ability of the ninja. They could simply slice the throat of a viking from behind and let the guy bleed out before they even knew what hit em'.

Smokey
09-20-2008, 07:24 PM
And you underestimate the animal ferocity of the Viking berserker. Your ninja would have to either be able to do a lot more damage while still hidden or run really fast.

Actually, the only Vikings that were susceptible to that kind of tactic were either berserkers, who wore animal hides into battle, or really poor Vikings that could not afford armor. Most Vikings wore armor, otherwise, that would render such a cowardly tactic ineffective. And given that Vikings were very effective raiders, there weren't many poor Vikings, so your ninja's targets would be rather limited in that regard.

HGW XX/7
09-20-2008, 07:40 PM
^Bringing up the fact that Ninja's use cowardly tactics is a good point.

Also, the fact that a ninja killing one Viking would result in an invasion of that Ninja's hometown. Rape and pillaging would ensue. Nothing would remain.

Smokey
09-20-2008, 07:44 PM
^QFT. Also, what with vengeance killings and whatnot, you could see the extinction of all ninjas within the space of a couple of years tops.

MR EPIC
09-20-2008, 08:00 PM
Ninjas are cowardly now right? You guys are just talking out of your asses now. I'll let you two big beefy viking lovers fondle each other verbally while I see my way out into a more logical discussion.

HGW XX/7
09-20-2008, 08:04 PM
A logical discussion where the entirety of Japan is raped and burned to the ground by Vikings?

MR EPIC
09-20-2008, 08:35 PM
Yes, that one.

Smokey
09-20-2008, 09:18 PM
Does anyone else here find it odd that Mr. Gears of War here favors ninjas over Vikings? Kind of a conflicting image there, dontcha think?:P

MR EPIC
09-20-2008, 09:22 PM
I'm all Japanese on the inside. :P

Tanooki
09-20-2008, 09:23 PM
I'm going with Ninja. If the assassin is as good as the name bestows upon him the other two wouldn't have a prayer. Ninja used stealth, cover, and physical cover (shrouded face/black clothing.) They're masters at setting traps, sneak attacks from darkness, taking one out from a distance, and smoke bomb escape among others. A pirate historically speaking more often than not were a combo of malnourished and drunk on rum. They are loud and obnoxious tradesmen, thieves, and mostly unwieldy, short of a few. Vikings on the other hand are built like tanks, warriors to the death, hard to dispatch, but also like a pirate are not the quiet types and perfer a frontal assault. A battle between a pirate and a viking would be more interesting. A ninja when it came to a pirate would easily due to their general lack of skill, size, soberness use any ability to clean the deck with them. A viking though would be suicidal to do any form of 'seen' combat as brought up they're huge, strong, born fighters, and they'll rape and pillage to get even. To succeed a ninja would have to in darkness sneak up on a viking and drop it with a throwing dagger or star and not been seen. If a possible glimpse were made, smoke bombs and caltrops would be required as to not be spotted for vengeance to be had. Given there were a direct fight with a mob of ninja and viking, many would die, but given the ninja ability to do long distance strikes and be quiet they'd likely finish off a viking horde as to save their families and village.

MR EPIC
09-20-2008, 09:27 PM
Thank you Jeff, I assumed Smokey and HGW already knew this about the ninja and I was too lazy to go in depth if they didn't. Speaking of long range they were excellent with a bow and arrow as well. But I'm sure somebody will come back with how a viking can catch the arrow with his butt cheeks and shoot it back at the ninja who's far off in the distance. :rolleyes:

HGW XX/7
09-20-2008, 09:29 PM
^Even though a Viking COULD do that, they would use that tactic sparingly.

That and their skin and muscles are so thick there's no way they could be pierced by a mere mortal ninja.

Tanooki
09-20-2008, 09:30 PM
Who's speaking of muscles and the skin around it? Everyone has the same kind of thin protective cover over that nice thin skull. One well placed star between the eyes and it's over. :D

HGW XX/7
09-20-2008, 09:35 PM
Do you so easily forget the headgear that Vikings wear? Not only would it cause the arrow to explode, they would use the horns to impale their attackers!

Tanooki
09-20-2008, 09:41 PM
No, I don't, but not everyone wears it either. A ninja can hit a spot about the size of a marble with a throwing star, arrow, throwing dagger too. I don't recall those helmets having eye protection like an european knights helmet. There's many ways to kill someone by your choice when you sneak up in complete stealthy darkness.

HGW XX/7
09-20-2008, 09:49 PM
If one viking gets taken down by a projectile it would be immediately acted upon. His viking bretheren would pluck Narwhal from the sea and throw them in excess of 270 MPH only to go straight through the Ninja (and anything behind it).

They would later discover America far before other Europeans.

The only reason the Vikings haven't taken over completely is because they've taken to raping and pillaging their way across the galaxy, as they were the first to invent space travel.

Smokey
09-20-2008, 09:54 PM
http://www.southernswords.co.uk/hg-helmet-v-5502.JPG

And this is a lot better than those of other nations at that time. The whole "encased in plate armor and helmet" business is a myth. Very few knights had that kind of armor. Also, it's not like the Vikings didn't use ranged weapons at all. Sure, close-quarters combat was the honorable form of combat, but Vikings adapted to the situation and used what was necessary. They were even decent horsemen.

Also, Vikings can be stealthy too. Many was the town that they ambushed and pillaged in the dead of night. Vikings don't HAVE to fight that way, though. They can fight dirty and out in the open, whereas a ninja couldn't win a stand-up fight if he was facing off with a child Viking.

Hottotty
09-20-2008, 10:03 PM
"Many was the town that they ambushed and pillaged in the dead of night."

I lawled at this. It sounds like a lyric for a metal song.

Smokey
09-20-2008, 10:22 PM
It probably is.:P

Tanooki
09-20-2008, 10:31 PM
Perhaps 'The Immgrant Song' (72 - Zeppelin) came to mind?

http://www.vikingkittens.com/

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
>from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods
Will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying:
Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar,
Our only goal will be the western shore.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
>from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
How soft your fields so green,
Can whisper tales of gore,
Of how we calmed the tides of war.
We are your overlords.
On we sweep with threshing oar,
Our only goal will be the western shore.
So now youd better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
For peace and trust can win the day
Despite of all your losing.

Smokey
09-20-2008, 10:54 PM
Nope. Awesome link, though.:D

Rorshach
09-21-2008, 11:00 AM
Hmm... I'd have to go like this:

Real-life ninjas=badass
Real-life vikings=extinct on Earth (they will return one day)
Real-life pirates=Lost all their values

I'd have to take Jeff and DJ's side, if only because vikings no longer exist on Earth (not till Judgement Day) and current day pirates forgot where they came from.

Whereas people who currently know the arts of ninjutsu CAN stop a man's heart. They know their roots. And besides, while ninjas did use assassination primarily, they were also well-versed in most military fields as well as general medicine and several scholarly fields:

The 18 disciplines are[8]:
Seishin-teki kyōyō (spiritual refinement)
Taijutsu (unarmed combat, using one's body as the only weapon)
Kenjutsu (sword fighting)
Bōjutsu (stick and staff fighting)
Shurikenjutsu (throwing shuriken)
Sōjutsu (spear fighting)
Naginatajutsu (naginata fighting)
Kusarigamajutsu (kusarigama fighting)
Kayakujutsu (pyrotechnics and explosives)
Hensōjutsu (disguise and impersonation)
Shinobi-iri (stealth and entering methods)
Bajutsu (horsemanship)
Sui-ren (water training)
Bōryaku (tactic)
Chōhō (espionage)
Intonjutsu (escaping and concealment)
Tenmon (meteorology)
Chi-mon (geography)
Today the main focus of ninjutsu deals with the techniques relevant to armed and unarmed combat.

Yes, I quoted Wikipedia. But I think my point stands.

Though, in a straight up fight against a Berserker, I'd give it a 75:25 chance the Berserker would win. That's because ninjutsu, like many other Asian martial arts, was used primarily as a defense against Asian styles. However, since Ninjas were essentially special-ops units, I'd assume they were highly adaptable. That's where the 25% chance comes in.

ReaganYouth
09-21-2008, 11:32 AM
Where are pirates from? I know ninjas are Japs and vikings are from Scandinavia, but that's it.

Rorshach
09-21-2008, 11:41 AM
Pirates were commonplace all around the world, but the image most people conjure up are the swashbucklers from Western Europe and European colonies.

PS - I voted for pirates because they're the coolest when referring to them historically. They had codes, they had guns, and were all-around badasses. But ninjas are currently the coolest and vikings are exempt because they're not on Earth.

Smokey
09-21-2008, 01:01 PM
http://www.metalblade.com/b2b/band_promo/AmonAmarth.jpg

Vikings still exist. They just don't ride around in longboats anymore.

And yeah, I'd be careful using Wikipedia concerning ninjutsu. After all, Ashida Kim is referred to as a ninja master on Wikipedia.:P

DEATHSTAR
09-21-2008, 01:25 PM
I voted Ninja but I like these guys more:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/23/gladiator_thumb_wideweb__470x304,0.jpg

They fought each other and tigers (at least in one movie) all while in their undies and mini skirts carrying dinner plates and silverware.

MAX
09-21-2008, 01:35 PM
Ninja CATS.

Z.E.I.D.A.N
09-21-2008, 07:44 PM
Ninja CATS.

YES. Ninja Cats are made of awesome.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/5/ninjahavent128544848614385000.jpg

As for Pirate cats...

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii171/Tdarnok/Lolcat.jpg

Sascha-AMN
09-21-2008, 07:49 PM
Ninjas have the cool factor, but a single Viking could probably take down a pirate and a ninja at the same time he was drinking some beer and raping some wench.

Smokey
09-21-2008, 09:24 PM
YES. Ninja Cats are made of awesome.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/5/ninjahavent128544848614385000.jpg

As for Pirate cats...

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii171/Tdarnok/Lolcat.jpg

All your base are belong to Viking Cat.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/DeliciousWeenie/funny-pictures-cute-viking-cat.jpg

ReaganYouth
09-21-2008, 09:27 PM
Cervantes from Soul Calibur is from Spain. So I guess pirates are Spanish?

Vikings rock!

Smokey
09-21-2008, 09:45 PM
Blackbeard was English. As he was the greatest pirate to ever live, pirates would be English, according to your logic.

Actually, in all seriousness, pirates are multinational.

And yes, Vikings do rock. I'm just curious about why, if so many people think Vikings rock, there are only four votes for Vikings and ten for Ninjas.:hmm:

HGW XX/7
09-21-2008, 09:49 PM
It's 'cause they're fair weather fans, Smokey.

Smokey
09-21-2008, 09:55 PM
Then they are no fans of Vikings. Thor is the god of thunder and lightning, not sunshine and rainbows.

virion
09-21-2008, 09:56 PM
And yes, Vikings do rock. I'm just curious about why, if so many people think Vikings rock, there are only four votes for Vikings and ten for Ninjas.:hmm:

in 9th grade for a video project for history i played 'eric the red'.. the video was a spoof of waynes world.. we failed the project because we were all high while doing the video and actually got high on video and just played guitar while wayne and garth brought out historical figures from a history book.

HGW XX/7
09-21-2008, 09:56 PM
^Youtube video or it didn't happen.

ReaganYouth
09-21-2008, 10:10 PM
Blackbeard was English. As he was the greatest pirate to ever live, pirates would be English, according to your logic.

Actually, in all seriousness, pirates are multinational.

And yes, Vikings do rock. I'm just curious about why, if so many people think Vikings rock, there are only four votes for Vikings and ten for Ninjas.:hmm:

KOMBO has way too many Naruto fans. Not saying ninjas or Naruto suck, but it's fanboys can be REALLY ****ing annoying. Almost as bad as Final Fantasy phanboiz.

MAX
09-21-2008, 10:11 PM
It's clearly obvious which is the winnar

Smokey
09-21-2008, 10:22 PM
in 9th grade for a video project for history i played 'eric the red'.. the video was a spoof of waynes world.. we failed the project because we were all high while doing the video and actually got high on video and just played guitar while wayne and garth brought out historical figures from a history book.

I second Sean's notion. Post this video NOW.

It's clearly obvious which is the winnar

Vikings, duh.

virion
09-21-2008, 10:24 PM
to do that i have to track down a guy i haven't seen in years and get a vhs copy of this. who knows if he has it or not.

Smokey
09-21-2008, 10:42 PM
It would be SO worth it, though.

virion
09-21-2008, 10:45 PM
i'll try to find out who has this then.. i know it exchanged hands a couple of times.. at one point my sister had it. so i might be able to find it.

Smokey
09-21-2008, 10:50 PM
Awesometown.

Tanooki
09-22-2008, 12:12 AM
Wow ninjas outdo both the others combined in votes by 1 at this point.

MR EPIC
09-22-2008, 01:24 AM
Finally, somebody said it.

Coral
09-22-2008, 01:31 AM
Kunoichis

Rensa
09-22-2008, 03:36 AM
Pirates, by virtue of their awesomeness, but vikings would be a close second. Vikings are like the pirates' cool best friends. Cool best friends whom they occasionally attack.

HGW XX/7
09-22-2008, 08:57 AM
^And the Vikings always win.

Darc Requiem
09-22-2008, 09:06 AM
Kunoichis

http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2008/06/04/doacos6HN5F5F3fl7.jpg

Coral has never been so right before :thumbs up:

MAX
09-22-2008, 09:10 AM
I voted for vikings because they were losing so badly.

Smokey
09-22-2008, 01:37 PM
Who had the balls to cross the Atlantic first? Case closed.

MAX
09-22-2008, 01:46 PM
Saint Brendan?

Regardless of who it was, it's pretty much guaranteed there was a ninja in stealth mode there.

MR EPIC
09-22-2008, 01:48 PM
Who had the balls to cross the Atlantic first? Case closed.

I'm about to make it "Thread Closed", seeing how we already have a clear-cut winner. ;)

Smokey
09-22-2008, 02:02 PM
Clear-cut, my left nut! Half of the people that voted for ninjas came back and said they thought Vikings would whoop a ninja's ass. How this tally came out like it did is still a mystery to me.:hmm:

Unless there's some kind of ninja trickery going on here. Come to think of it, I haven't seen Mike post in here for a while...:P

MAX
09-22-2008, 02:13 PM
Anyone that thinks a viking can whoop a ninja's ass is obviously just saying that to make those 4 that actually voted for vikings feel better.

Obviously.

MR EPIC
09-22-2008, 02:26 PM
Obviously

Smokey
09-22-2008, 03:08 PM
Psh. Sean and I have presented multiple ways to prove the superiority of Vikings.

MAX
09-22-2008, 03:25 PM
Viking passtime:

http://www.dlisted.com/files/caption0922.jpg

Superior? I'll let the audience be the judge. U_U

MR EPIC
09-22-2008, 04:42 PM
Actually Smokey, Sean was more or less joking around with most of his posts, while you were the one believing what you wrote. I bet you actually thought twice about when I said Vikings could catch arrows with their butt cheeks and spit them back out. ;)

MAX
09-22-2008, 05:17 PM
...and teh only way pirates win, is if they are of the 'butt' variety (I'm looking at you jgz, you winner you).

;)

Smokey
09-22-2008, 09:01 PM
Viking passtime:

http://www.dlisted.com/files/caption0922.jpg

Superior? I'll let the audience be the judge. U_U

Isn't that pic from Hungary? Silly goose, there are no Hungarian Vikings.:rolleyes:

Actually Smokey, Sean was more or less joking around with most of his posts, while you were the one believing what you wrote. I bet you actually thought twice about when I said Vikings could catch arrows with their butt cheeks and spit them back out. ;)

You mean they can't?

MAX
09-22-2008, 10:48 PM
No, it was from vikings weekly. I have a monthly subscription.

Darc Requiem
09-23-2008, 12:32 AM
Viking passtime:

http://www.dlisted.com/files/caption0922.jpg

Superior? I'll let the audience be the judge. U_U

That picture is all kinds of wrong. I wouldn't know where to begin :hmm:

HGW XX/7
09-23-2008, 11:15 AM
Just because I'm only semi-joking in replies, doesn't mean i don't firmly believe that Vikings could dominate Ninjas.

Do I need to bring up the space travel again?

MR EPIC
09-23-2008, 11:23 AM
No. But let's talk about how, if a ninja were to stick his sword into the throat of a viking, in the viking's mind he would be merely doing the ninja a favor by holding the weapon until the ninja returns.

MAX
09-23-2008, 12:41 PM
Only if that Viking's name was Chuck Norris. Who is a Ninja.

omg... we've come full circle.

MR EPIC
09-23-2008, 12:52 PM
Roflstiltskin!!!

HGW XX/7
09-23-2008, 02:04 PM
Chuck Norris isn't man enough to be a Viking.

MAX
09-23-2008, 02:08 PM
He heard that.

HGW XX/7
09-23-2008, 02:09 PM
And I should be afraid why? I already said he isn't man enough to be a Viking. He can't touch this.

MAX
09-23-2008, 02:42 PM
Chuck Norris just whispered to me that he's going to spare your life for that. Because he doesn't harm the mentally ill.

Smokey
09-23-2008, 03:08 PM
Only if that Viking's name was Chuck Norris. Who is a Ninja.

omg... we've come full circle.

There are no ninjas in Texas. Besides, who cares if he can piss his name in concrete? Vikings can piss their names in water, which is far more impressive because

1) Their names are far longer than "Chuck Norris".
and
2) They can keep their name legible through sheer power of will.

MAX
09-23-2008, 03:11 PM
The viking-culture had no longevity; it was a way of life that could not be maintained. There are practicing ninja today. EXTRAPOLATE.

Besides, the ninja would just wait until the viking passed out drunk and kill him in his sleep.

Smokey
09-23-2008, 03:17 PM
It was maintained for several centuries until roughly about the advent of gunpowder in Europe. Also, those practicing ninja are about as mundane as those that practice karate or boxing. Ninjutsu is just another martial art now.

Besides, little does the ninja know that Vikings do not pass out when drunk. In fact, they are at the height of their fighting abilities when drunk. Why do you think they were such great raiders, warriors, and conquerors?

MAX
09-23-2008, 03:39 PM
The Viking Age Timeline ~ (A.D. 789 - 1085)
The Ninja Age Timeline ~ (A.D. 522 - 1192)
Edge: Ninja

Vikings weapon: spear/shield, sword/sheild, axe, bow
Ninjas weapons: weapons and tricks using gunpowder, Smoke bombs and firecrackers for diversion, small bombs, cannons, a shobo, suntetsu, Shuriken coated with poison, martial arts
Edge: Ninja

People on the board for Vikings: 5
People on the board for ninjas: 11
Ninjas pwning vikings: priceless

MR EPIC
09-23-2008, 04:05 PM
The reason why vikings were fearless in battle is because they would eat a certain type of mushroom which would suppress that emotion. Basically, they were on farking drugs. So all the ninja would have to do is either sneak into their camp during the night and take the whole lot of the mushrooms (leaving the big hulking vikings to run like GIRLY MEN during battle) or hit them from a distance with poison darts and that's all she wrote for the GIRL MEN.

MAX
09-23-2008, 04:15 PM
The only issue I have with this argument (vikings v ninja), is that ninja is a pretty specific term, whereas viking is much more broad in that it could be anything from a Norwegian peasant to a villiage pillaging warrior...

MR EPIC
09-23-2008, 04:57 PM
Right. Although there are many people today who practice Ninjitsu, they are not considered Ninjas. That word was reserved specifically for Japanese assassin's during the periods Max outlined, who used many of the techniques that we discussed and quite a bit more.

Smokey
09-23-2008, 05:57 PM
The Viking Age Timeline ~ (A.D. 789 - 1085)
The Ninja Age Timeline ~ (A.D. 522 - 1192)
Edge: Ninja

This is crap. Even using Wikipedia, the dates say that that age lasted from circa 700 - 1099 AD, but Vikings were around for a good bit longer. However, when the ninja's age ended, they were WIPED OUT by the samurai. The Vikings were never wiped out, rather, they went the route of the Mongols and eventually settled in the areas they conquered, the exception being Canada.

Edge: Viking

Vikings weapon: spear/shield, sword/sheild, axe, bow
Ninjas weapons: weapons and tricks using gunpowder, Smoke bombs and firecrackers for diversion, small bombs, cannons, a shobo, suntetsu, Shuriken coated with poison, martial arts
Edge: Ninja

Again, this is crap. Anything involving gunpowder was not used as a weapon, but to mask their presence. They used small blades, shuriken, and poison. Finally, martial arts are fighting styles created by a culture. So, Vikings used martial arts as well. And I'd take combat with a shield and/or a big-ass axe over tiny sword and throwing stars anyday.

Edge: Viking

People on the board for Vikings: 5
People on the board for ninjas: 11
Ninjas pwning vikings: priceless

And how many people that voted for both pirate and ninja came back and said that "Vikings are more badass"/"Vikings could totally beat ninjas, I just think ninjas are cool"/etc?

Ninjas being betrayed by their voters: hilarious

The reason why vikings were fearless in battle is because they would eat a certain type of mushroom which would suppress that emotion. Basically, they were on farking drugs. So all the ninja would have to do is either sneak into their camp during the night and take the whole lot of the mushrooms (leaving the big hulking vikings to run like GIRLY MEN during battle) or hit them from a distance with poison darts and that's all she wrote for the GIRL MEN.

I call MAJOR BS. I defy you to find documentation for this. For one thing, I don't think mushrooms can even grow up there, much less be available for that kind of consumption.

The only issue I have with this argument (vikings v ninja), is that ninja is a pretty specific term, whereas viking is much more broad in that it could be anything from a Norwegian peasant to a villiage pillaging warrior...

Nope. Viking is pretty specific as well. Granted, it can be applied to all people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Iceland, but Vikings were raiders, not peasants. The common folk were simply called Norsemen. Whenever raiders went out to terrorize towns and such, they were "going a-viking", literally "going raiding". Thus, the term Viking can only be used correctly to describe a Norse raider/warrior.

MR EPIC
09-23-2008, 06:25 PM
I call MAJOR BS. I defy you to find documentation for this. For one thing, I don't think mushrooms can even grow up there, much less be available for that kind of consumption

http://www.arild-hauge.com/elife.htm

http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/dec99.html

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/1071/27178

http://www.natureatcloserange.com/2008/05/authors-disclaimer-this-article-is.html

http://www.fotothing.com/Erian/photo/2f4a21b3d80df9128f759b04243ea4be/

There are plenty more references than this but I figured that five would suffice. And since the mushroom (Amanita Muscaria) is what made the vikings suppress their fear and go Berserk (which is where they got the name "Beserkers" from) I would expect you to know this.

Smokey
09-23-2008, 09:05 PM
http://www.arild-hauge.com/elife.htm

This just proves that mushrooms can be grown up there. So I was wrong on that count. Doesn't prove that Vikings ate them for superhuman strength.

http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/dec99.html

The only credibility that could be garnered from this site is that it's an .edu site. There are several things about it, however, that are patently false. First, all Vikings were not berserkers; if that were true, the Viking menace would have played itself out after a couple dozen years. Secondly, berserkers did not fight in every battle in Northern Europe; in fact, berserkers rarely traveled abroad for a fight, as most of them only fought other Vikings. The only possible exceptions would have been in the invasions of what is now England and southern Scotland. Basically, this source isn't all that credible.

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/1071/27178

It calls it a "magic fungus". I wouldn't attribute too much credibility to this source.

http://www.natureatcloserange.com/2008/05/authors-disclaimer-this-article-is.html

This is a bunch of conspiracy theory crap. The part that you looked at doesn't even definitively say that Vikings did use any kind of mushrooms.

http://www.fotothing.com/Erian/photo/2f4a21b3d80df9128f759b04243ea4be/

This is nothing more than "VIKINGS USED SHROOMS LOLOLOLZZZ!!!1!1!"

There are plenty more references than this but I figured that five would suffice. And since the mushroom (Amanita Muscaria) is what made the vikings suppress their fear and go Berserk (which is where they got the name "Beserkers" from) I would expect you to know this.

None of this proves anything, and I doubt you could find a reference that definitively proves your claim. Believe me, as it's quite possible that I have some Danish/Norwegian blood in my ancestry, I've studied Viking history a lot, and it's going to take some pretty overwhelming evidence to prove your case here.

MAX
09-24-2008, 12:31 AM
*looks around* Ninjas still winning? Thought so....

*leaves*

HGW XX/7
09-24-2008, 06:44 AM
For the sake of this argument, since you guys want a definite definition of a Viking, the definition shall be:

Anything that could beat a Ninja.

Also, Tailzo would be a Viking, and he's the greatest person on these forums. Viking = instant win.

MAX
09-24-2008, 09:08 AM
Tailzo has admitted that ninjas could beat him. So you fail.

Smokey
09-24-2008, 10:01 AM
I demand proof of this admission.

MAX
09-24-2008, 10:11 AM
Faith

;)

Smokey
09-24-2008, 10:17 AM
Roffle!

HGW XX/7
09-24-2008, 11:37 AM
Tailzo has admitted that ninjas could beat him. So you fail.

We all know Tailzo is modest. We all know he could take on every ninja that has ever lived and he would kill them with kindness and sheer Viking badassitude.

MAX
09-24-2008, 12:01 PM
Please. The Vikings were taken down by Christianisation. If someone can't handle someone like andre needling them to believe in god, they certainly can't win in a fight with a ninja. pft.

HGW XX/7
09-24-2008, 12:03 PM
And Commodore Perry Gaijin-Smashed Japan. Ninjas be damned.

MAX
09-24-2008, 12:11 PM
Ninjas survived. You just don't know it, because they are stealthy.

HGW XX/7
09-24-2008, 12:12 PM
Ninja's survived in the form of Naruto. I think we can all agree that was a bad idea, and that Ninjas mean nothing now because of that show.

Rensa
09-24-2008, 12:17 PM
Vikings took down the Brits...

... but then we do that in that cricket every year! Buuuuuuuuuurrnn...

*remembers that like two other people here know what cricket is*

*cries*

HGW XX/7
09-24-2008, 12:18 PM
The Brits were invaded by everyone and their mother.

Except Ninjas. 'Cause they fail.

MAX
09-24-2008, 12:27 PM
You just have to look at the disproportionate amount of anime that feature ninjas and those that feature vikings, to know who the true winner is.

HGW XX/7
09-24-2008, 12:33 PM
^ I don't need a bastardization of Vikings to be produced by Koreans (that's right, most anime is Korean made. Ninja's would tell you to "BELIEVE IT!")

MAX
09-24-2008, 12:38 PM
Ninjas actually don't endorse korean anime. They're victims in that. They do endorse the misconception the vikings are better, however. It makes them laugh. Laughing makes them happy. A happy ninja means you live just that much longer.

HGW XX/7
09-24-2008, 12:50 PM
Vikings don't require worthless emotions such as happiness.

MAX
09-24-2008, 12:51 PM
Tailzo proves you wrong.

http://forums.kombo.com/showthread.php?t=15540


I win.

HGW XX/7
09-24-2008, 12:54 PM
Tailzo is deceiving you. It's to lull his enemies into a false sense of security.

Not even Ninjas are as cunning and deceptive as him.

Smokey
09-24-2008, 01:21 PM
Ninjas actually don't endorse korean anime. They're victims in that. They do endorse the misconception the vikings are better, however. It makes them laugh. Laughing makes them happy. A happy ninja means you live just that much longer.

Too bad there's no such thing as a happy ninja. If they laughed, it would give them away to the Vikings they're hiding from.

MAX
09-24-2008, 02:08 PM
It's a silent, stealthy, and deadly laugh. Shows how much you don't know about ninjas.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-cat-blinds-abort-retry-fail.jpg

Smokey
09-24-2008, 03:25 PM
^Typical ninja clumsiness.

http://www.songfight.org/covers/im_not_impressed_morgan400.jpg

MAX
09-24-2008, 03:37 PM
Actually... his hair color gives away his viking heritage...

Smokey
09-24-2008, 10:35 PM
Um....Vikings had BLOND hair and blue eyes, not orange. There was Eric the RED, but I would imagine that carrot-tops were fairly rare if they occurred at all.

http://www.tadbit.com/hosted_imgs/you_fail_011.jpg

MAX
09-24-2008, 11:09 PM
but they did occur... moreso than red headed ninjas.

point: ninja.

Smokey
09-24-2008, 11:21 PM
I doubt it. And it's not like every Japanese person had black hair. There were blond/brown/red-haired people there, too.

Again
http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/faillike1999.jpg

MAX
09-24-2008, 11:40 PM
If that were to happen, that would be a **** ton more rare than a strawberry blonde, or red headed viking. Simple genetics tells you that.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/DefyDeathDefyMe/1173742966997.jpg

Smokey
09-24-2008, 11:54 PM
Vikings were almost as xenophobic as the Japanese were until the very end of the Viking age. Captured prisoners (the few that there were) were made thralls, and free men didn't consort with thralls. Thus did the gene pool remain relatively uncompromised. In short, a Viking with orange hair came about as often as a Japanese person with blond, brown, or red hair.

http://imagechan.com/img/images/you%20lose.jpg

MAX
09-25-2008, 12:14 AM
Actually, it wasn't all that uncommon. Those Vikings who had darker hair colors often bleached it to be blonde or reddish blonde with a type of soap. You should probably look into it before you fail even more.

Smokey
09-25-2008, 02:44 PM
http://www.family-ancestry.co.uk/history/vikings/uncleanliness/

This is the only link I found that could back your claim, except it mentioned nothing about dying hair with any color but blond. Not orange or even strawberry blond, BLOND. Once more, you fail. Stop before your failure reaches critical mass. I beg you.

BTW, more proof of your failure. (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2004-07/1089647276)

Coral
09-25-2008, 03:10 PM
http://www.family-ancestry.co.uk/his...uncleanliness/ This is the only link I found that could back your claim, except it mentioned nothing about dying hair with any color but blond. Not orange or even strawberry blond, BLOND. Once more, you fail. Stop before your failure reaches critical mass. I beg you. BTW, more proof of your failure. You just undercut your own argument that vikings were only blonde, in BOTH those links. As already mentioned, if they weren't blonde, they'd dye their hair. We ALL know that unless you get it done by a professional, opitimal blonde will rarely be acheieved. You end up with..orangish, strawberry, blonde...whatever. So, the point remains, that firecrotch looking vikings would be more common (even though rare) than a ginger ninja. So, once again, your failure exceeds everyone else who's ever lived.. Ever. ...and I'm including Mccains Campaign. Besides, Ninjas have clearly won the poll. Regardless of the 2 people who changed their minds.




http://www.dlisted.com/files/caption0925_0.jpg
That's how bad you fail.
:)

Smokey
09-25-2008, 03:21 PM
You just undercut your own argument that vikings were only blonde, in BOTH those links. As already mentioned, if they weren't blonde, they'd dye their hair. We ALL know that unless you get it done by a professional, opitimal blonde will rarely be acheieved. You end up with..orangish, strawberry, blonde...whatever. So, the point remains, that firecrotch looking vikings would be more common (even though rare) than a ginger ninja. So, once again, your failure exceeds everyone else who's ever lived.. Ever. ...and I'm including Mccains Campaign. Besides, Ninjas have clearly won the poll. Regardless of the 2 people who changed their minds.

I undercut nothing because that was not my argument. I already said that brown and red hair existed among Vikings. Such hair coloring is just as common as non-black hair among the Japanese. How 'bout you read the damn thread before you make an ass of yourself?

http://www.dlisted.com/files/caption0925_0.jpg
That's how bad you fail.
:)

For the sake of decency, I'll refrain from posting several things that sprang to mind involving you and the elephant. Suffice it to say that you have failed far harder with one post than I ever could with all of my posts in this thread.

Coral
09-25-2008, 04:06 PM
http://history-world.org/vikings.htm

Long-limbed and muscular, with flaxen or red hair hanging below their shoulders, Norsemen were trained from childhood to be strong and self-reliant. Running, jumping, and wrestling took the place of reading, writing, and arithmetic. Their other subjects were skating, skiing, snowshoeing, swimming, rowing, and riding horseback. As soon as a youngster could carry a weapon, he was taught to thrust a sword, to swing a battle-ax, and to throw a spear.

Please provide evidence that red hair is just as common among ninjas. Or concede.

Thanks for playing. The cat in the window is obviously a viking... You're the cat in the window smokey. Embrace it.

I already said that brown and red hair existed among Vikings. Such hair coloring is just as common as non-black hair among the Japanese.

Oh, ps... the argument stemmed from the cat in the window with the orange/red fur. The argument was that red headed ninjas (not 'non-black haired ones) were just as common as red headed vikings.. which is untrue, since you haven't posted any evidence to support your position.

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Smokey
09-25-2008, 07:34 PM
http://history-world.org/vikings.htm



Please provide evidence that red hair is just as common among ninjas. Or concede.

You're missing the point. Not surprising, really. My point was that just as non-black hair is rare among the Japanese, red hair is rare among those of Scandinavian origin. You ever heard of Erik the Red? People don't attribute titles like that unless the attribute is extraordinary, e.g. Peter the Great, Richard the Lion-Hearted, etc. It's obvious that Erik the Red was called that because of his red hair. One can easily deduce that this attribute of his was not one shared by the vast majority of Norsemen. If you can't use common sense like this, you really have no business arguing in this thread, especially with me.

Thanks for playing. The cat in the window is obviously a viking... You're the cat in the window smokey. Embrace it.

That cat reminds me more of you, actually. It would be sad if you were caught in bull**** of your own devising. It's ****ing hilarious that you've been caught in bull**** of Max's devising. Your failure amuses me, orange one.:D

Oh, ps... the argument stemmed from the cat in the window with the orange/red fur. The argument was that red headed ninjas (not 'non-black haired ones) were just as common as red headed vikings.. which is untrue, since you haven't posted any evidence to support your position.

First of all, if you can't tell that that cat has ORANGE hair, you're colorblind. There is no other answer, unless you just blindly follow Max's reasoning, which is so pathetic that in this case I'd rather not contemplate it.

Secondly, seeing as you can't even tell what my position is, I wouldn't even go there. Considering that you're exhibiting the vision and discernment of a blind man, I would say that such a path would be hazardous to your health.

Hottotty
09-25-2008, 07:45 PM
Why has everyone forgotten pirates?

They still win, so:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9167/pirateninja1va4.jpg

Smokey
09-25-2008, 07:49 PM
Because Vikings are srs bsns.

Besides, the bullshidoka Ashida Kim is a self-proclaimed ninja master, so you know just how great ninjas are in comparison to Vikings and pirates.:P

Hottotty
09-25-2008, 08:57 PM
Um, pirates have booty.

Win!

Smokey
09-25-2008, 09:30 PM
So does J-Lo. What's your point?

EDIT: Oh, THAT booty...

Rensa
09-25-2008, 09:48 PM
Oh my God, this is like some creepy parallel universe where everyone suddenly has logical reasoning skills... except that you applied them to vikings vs. ninjas :P

Hottotty
09-25-2008, 10:21 PM
Oh my God, this is like some creepy parallel universe where everyone suddenly has logical reasoning skills... except that you applied them to pirates and vikings vs. ninjas :P

Since my contribution is totally smart too, I'm in yr quote, fixin yr obsrvashuns.

Smokey
09-25-2008, 11:36 PM
Smart? Maybe. Meaningful? Nope.:P

virion
09-25-2008, 11:36 PM
a Japanese person with blond, brown, or red hair.[/IMG]

asian girls with blond hair are the hottest girls alive.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/virion9/008.jpg

Smokey
09-25-2008, 11:47 PM
How DARE you litter my thread with...

...

Hmm...

MAX
09-26-2008, 09:37 AM
You're missing the point. Not surprising, really. My point was that just as non-black hair is rare among the Japanese, red hair is rare among those of Scandinavian origin. You ever heard of Erik the Red? People don't attribute titles like that unless the attribute is extraordinary, e.g. Peter the Great, Richard the Lion-Hearted, etc. It's obvious that Erik the Red was called that because of his red hair. One can easily deduce that this attribute of his was not one shared by the vast majority of Norsemen. If you can't use common sense like this, you really have no business arguing in this thread, especially with me.

That's a stupid and vague argument on your part then, considering I was referring specifically to naturally red headed vikings/ninjas. So still, the cat is a viking, it failed. Ninjas win.

That cat reminds me more of you, actually. It would be sad if you were caught in bull**** of your own devising. It's ****ing hilarious that you've been caught in bull**** of Max's devising. Your failure amuses me, orange one.:D

The cat is obviously you, you're the only one with orange hair.

First of all, if you can't tell that that cat has ORANGE hair, you're colorblind. There is no other answer, unless you just blindly follow Max's reasoning, which is so pathetic that in this case I'd rather not contemplate it.

Orange is going to be subjective. That is NOT orange. Take a look at an actual orange. Not even the same shade. That's like arguing that salmon and pink are the same color. It's stupid, and not even the point. The actual point remains that vikings were more prone to having red hair (and there are shades of it, btw...not that you're going to acknowledge that) than ninjas. Not that ninjas had "non black" hair, which would be stupid to argue since dark brown is technically "non black". You purposefully made your argument vague so that you don't have to defend it as thoroughly.

Secondly, seeing as you can't even tell what my position is, I wouldn't even go there. Considering that you're exhibiting the vision and discernment of a blind man, I would say that such a path would be hazardous to your health.

The argument was for red hair in vikings and ninjas, brought on by the damn cat picture. Not non-black, not non-blonde. Red. You purposefully either changed the argument to suit you, or you completely fail at extrapolation. You can choose. :D

Smokey
09-26-2008, 10:04 AM
That's a stupid and vague argument on your part then, considering I was referring specifically to naturally red headed vikings/ninjas. So still, the cat is a viking, it failed. Ninjas win.

Despite the fact that you missed my point as well, you still fail, because that cat is NOT red by any stretch of the imagination. It's orange.

The cat is obviously you, you're the only one with orange hair.

Considering you and Coral are the only ones who have failed in their argument, that cat is one of you. Apparently the other ninja cat that fails was cropped out.

Orange is going to be subjective. That is NOT orange. Take a look at an actual orange. Not even the same shade. That's like arguing that salmon and pink are the same color. It's stupid, and not even the point. The actual point remains that vikings were more prone to having red hair (and there are shades of it, btw...not that you're going to acknowledge that) than ninjas. Not that ninjas had "non black" hair, which would be stupid to argue since dark brown is technically "non black". You purposefully made your argument vague so that you don't have to defend it as thoroughly.

...

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-cat-blinds-abort-retry-fail.jpg

There are shades of orange, BTW.:rolleyes:

Alright, if it'll make you happy, I'll make my argument less vague. Here it is: Red hair among Vikings is just as rare as blonde hair among Japanese (this is naturally occurring, mind you, not any dyes or anything of the sort).

The argument was for red hair in vikings and ninjas, brought on by the damn cat picture. Not non-black, not non-blonde. Red. You purposefully either changed the argument to suit you, or you completely fail at extrapolation. You can choose. :D

Let's take a look back, shall we?

but they did occur... moreso than red headed ninjas.

I doubt it. And it's not like every Japanese person had black hair. There were blond/brown/red-haired people there, too.

If that were to happen, that would be a **** ton more rare than a strawberry blonde, or red headed viking. Simple genetics tells you that.

Vikings were almost as xenophobic as the Japanese were until the very end of the Viking age. Captured prisoners (the few that there were) were made thralls, and free men didn't consort with thralls. Thus did the gene pool remain relatively uncompromised. In short, a Viking with orange hair came about as often as a Japanese person with blond, brown, or red hair.

Actually, it wasn't all that uncommon. Those Vikings who had darker hair colors often bleached it to be blonde or reddish blonde with a type of soap. You should probably look into it before you fail even more.

Actual course of the argument. Yes, you began with red hair. I said that it was as rare as such hair coloring among Japanese, including blonde and brown. That was how the argument began. I changed nothing, nor did I fail to extrapolate anything. If anyone changed their argument, it was you.

HGW XX/7
09-26-2008, 10:46 AM
This thread has reached 10 pages. It's the first new War Room Hall of Fame inductee.

Okay, I made that up.

Smokey
09-26-2008, 10:57 AM
Make it happen.

MAX
09-26-2008, 12:28 PM
Despite the fact that you missed my point as well, you still fail, because that cat is NOT red by any stretch of the imagination. It's orange.

It's not orange. It's ginger.

Considering you and Coral are the only ones who have failed in their argument, that cat is one of you. Apparently the other ninja cat that fails was cropped out.

Nice deflection, you're still wrong.


http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-cat-blinds-abort-retry-fail.jpg

There are shades of orange, BTW.:rolleyes:

Unfortunately that's not orange, just like you wouldn't tell someone with that color hair that he/she had orange hair. I bet grey cats are actually blue to you.

Alright, if it'll make you happy, I'll make my argument less vague. Here it is: Red hair among Vikings is just as rare as blonde hair among Japanese (this is naturally occurring, mind you, not any dyes or anything of the sort).

"OMG THERE ARE SHADES!! ;) ;)"

No, it's much rarer for asians with their geneology to have blonde or red hair. Please, show some supporting evidence. I had coral post an actual reputable link that says norseman (aka vikings) had red and flaxen hair. Not flaxen with the omgsuperrarepossibility of red.

Actual course of the argument. Yes, you began with red hair. I said that it was as rare as such hair coloring among Japanese, including blonde and brown. That was how the argument began. I changed nothing, nor did I fail to extrapolate anything. If anyone changed their argument, it was you.

You moved the goal post. You could have said blue, green, or purple hair for all I care. The point was on orange/red/ginger. Stop being deceptive.

Smokey
09-26-2008, 01:57 PM
It's not orange. It's ginger.

Ginger isn't in a box of Crayola crayons. Orange is. Thus, the cat is orange.

In all seriousness, ginger is a lot closer to orange than red. Even you can't deny that.

Nice deflection, you're still wrong.

Considering that Coral's the only one that has ever had a hair color that's close to orange, I'd say you're the wrong one. Actually, dirty blonde is closer to orange than brown.

Doesn't matter which topic we're talking about, I'm still right, orange one.

Unfortunately that's not orange, just like you wouldn't tell someone with that color hair that he/she had orange hair. I bet grey cats are actually blue to you.

If it's not actual orange, it's pretty damn close. It's certainly closer to orange than red. And no, I don't confuse two distinctly different colors like you and Coral do. Telling me that the cat is red...psh.:rolleyes:

"OMG THERE ARE SHADES!! ;) ;)"

No, it's much rarer for asians with their geneology to have blonde or red hair. Please, show some supporting evidence. I had coral post an actual reputable link that says norseman (aka vikings) had red and flaxen hair. Not flaxen with the omgsuperrarepossibility of red.

Today, it would rarer to see naturally occurring blond hair in a Japanese person than a red haired Scandinavian. I'll give you that. Among Vikings in the Dark Ages, however, it was much rarer. Interbreeding among different cultures was pretty close to nonexistent. And I only have your word that it's reputable. The use of .org rather than .com/.net doesn't make it reputable. A friend of mine made a perfectly useless site called therocket.org. It had nothing to do with rockets, he made for ****s and giggles. The only thing separating a .org and .com aside from the author is how much money you're willing to shell out. Considering that I've read actual books with authors whose repute cannot be called into question, I find this sudden revelation that red hair was common among Vikings to be quite suspicious.

You moved the goal post. You could have said blue, green, or purple hair for all I care. The point was on orange/red/ginger. Stop being deceptive.

Who's moving the goal post now? First it was red, then it was red or blond, now it's "orange/red/ginger". I'm being deceptive? Hah.

MAX
09-26-2008, 02:01 PM
Until you present historical evidence that ninjas had red hair, any post you make is your concession that you've failed. Not unlike the viking cat in the blinds.

Smokey
09-26-2008, 02:19 PM
Shazam. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair)

MAX
09-26-2008, 02:30 PM
Wiki? Thanks for your concession, lol.

Smokey
09-26-2008, 02:59 PM
I was thinking you would actually look at some of the references down at the bottom of the page.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2502chinamum.html

Also, something concerning the Japanese in particular.

^ Yamamoto M., and Neel J.V. "A note on red hair on the Island of Hirado, Japan". Jinrui Idengaku Zasshi. March 1967. 11 (4), pp 257-62.

MAX
09-26-2008, 03:22 PM
Why wouldn't you just link to that.

It's funny, maybe you should read your links before blindly posting them.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2502chinamum.html

VICTOR MAIR: They say that they had red hair, bluish-green eyes. It's a European type of person.

CHARLOTTE ROBERTS: And very fair-haired, too.

JEANNINE DAVIS-KIMBALL: Mmm-hmm, almost reddish.

CHARLOTTE ROBERTS: If you actually look at the profile, the nose is quite large and long.

JEANNINE DAVIS-KIMBALL: Long nose, mmm-hmm.

CHARLOTTE ROBERTS: Yeah. Although at this age, we wouldn't really want to say much about ethnic affiliation.

NARRATOR: There is no uncertainty about the ethnic origins of the body buried in the main chamber below the other two. This perfectly preserved mummy was a woman of about 40.

MR. HE: (Chinese)

VICTOR MAIR: It's a European type of person.

MR. HE: (Chinese)

VICTOR MAIR: So, she's quite tall. She's 1.72 meters.

MR. HE: (Chinese)

VICTOR MAIR: Her nose is very high.

NARRATOR: The male body, which was discovered in the late 70s, is faring far worse than it would buried in sand. The curators lack the funds to prevent the gradual disintegration of some of the most important human remains ever found. But this ancient man can still offer precious clues about his people. An oval face and reddish hair suggest European roots. His bronze earring and leather boots show his people were skilled artisans.

VICTOR MAIR: I see the red beard and the red hair parted in the middle. It's a distinctive style of Tocharians.

Interestingly.. nothing about red haired ninjas. Weeeeeeeird.

Smokey
09-26-2008, 03:41 PM
The point of that link is to show that red hair IS in Chinese ancestry at a point long before Japan was inhabited. You are aware, of course, that the Japanese came from China, right? There ARE red-headed Japanese, and there have been for several thousand years. I'm fairly certain a few redheads managed to wander their way into a ninja clan.

Also, I note that you completely ignore the second item I posted. Oh wait, that's because you can't laugh it off and say it's false. I'll take your silence on this as a concession, thanks.

MAX
09-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Red hair has also been found in Asia, notably among the Tocharians who occupied the northwesternmost province of what is modern-day China. The 2nd millennium BC caucasian Tarim mummies in China were found with red and blonde hair and most likely were of European origin.

So, now you're going to move the goal-posts even further, by using Japanese ancestry by way of china, and then again by way of Indo-Europeans to show that ninjas with red hair were more common than vikings with red hair. I guess if I was being sneaky I could do that with the Vikings, who came from Sweden, Norway and Denmark, who in turn came from blah blah blah, ad infinitum. Also, I ignored Yamamoto M., and Neel J.V. "A note on red hair on the Island of Hirado, Japan". Jinrui Idengaku Zasshi. March 1967. 11 (4), pp 257-62 since neither of us have any way of reading it. Unless you own a copy, and can send it to me? It's rather pointless to give any credit to a title.

I accept your concession by way of dishonest debate tactics... again.

Smokey
09-26-2008, 04:52 PM
You're the one doing the shifting. There's nothing dishonest in stating that Japanese people do have redheads among them via their Chinese ancestry. You just can't stand that you're wrong about something.

Hottotty
09-26-2008, 05:04 PM
Apparently, when they have red hair, they kind of look like Phoebe from Friends:

http://api.ning.com/files/RR1JsWmpR5nIFNDp6VYxZLd96qNgv7fTqK80sFgLCHADvrqMD-EGZl1YCPLzlpqpy4S-3rBkoTXEPoX*Fv7N2ywPnrdj3shz/MMManaRedHead.jpeg

MAX
09-26-2008, 06:01 PM
lol

Smokey
09-26-2008, 08:47 PM
Yikes.

MR EPIC
09-26-2008, 11:22 PM
You made the poll last way too long Smokey. This thing's been decided for over a week now.

Smokey
09-26-2008, 11:27 PM
Decided my ass. Half of the "winning" vote defected back to the Viking camp. Besides, there's still people that haven't voted. I know that people don't post for a little while, then come back. I wanted enough time for all interested parties to vote. I could have easily left it open indefinitely.

MR EPIC
09-26-2008, 11:28 PM
Somebody's pumped after seeing the Presidential debate.

MAX
09-26-2008, 11:33 PM
Ninjas won! YAY!

MR EPIC
09-26-2008, 11:37 PM
Stop it Max, you're gonna make Smokey go on a rampage. ;)

MAX
09-26-2008, 11:40 PM
Why, 3rd place means bronze. Vikings like bronze things!

Smokey
09-26-2008, 11:41 PM
And ninjas are fond of treachery. Which is why they should love the betrayal that several of their voters perpetrated.

MAX
09-26-2008, 11:46 PM
That's fine, mathematically (even with the treachery) ninjas won. The vikings can have those flip floppers.

Smokey
09-26-2008, 11:50 PM
Blind fanboyism counts for nothing. Reasoned arguments are where it counts, and they prove that Vikings are quite superior to ninjas.

I find it more than a little odd that we agree on who won the presidential debate almost completely, yet we differ so sharply on something as fundamentally important to the world as Vikings vs Ninjas.:P

MAX
09-26-2008, 11:52 PM
Blind fanboyism counts for nothing.

Leave the pirates out of this.

MR EPIC
09-26-2008, 11:53 PM
This broadcast has been brought to you by the letter F and the word FUN-DA-MEN-TAL.

Smokey
09-27-2008, 12:00 AM
Leave the pirates out of this.

I (and everyone but Hottotty) left the pirates out of this argument a long time ago.:P

MAX
09-27-2008, 12:12 AM
Oh.. then you were talking about vikings supporters... GOTCHA! :)

Smokey
09-27-2008, 12:15 AM
Only the ones that were really ninjas masquerading as Viking supporters.

MAX
09-27-2008, 12:19 AM
Not possible. Ninjas weren't fat.

Ohhhhhhhhhh

virion
09-27-2008, 12:21 AM
asian girls with blond hair are the hottest girls alive.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/virion9/008.jpg

**** photobucket.

Smokey
09-27-2008, 12:23 AM
http://www.laserdisken.dk/billeder/forsidealm/33852.jpg

Google disagrees.

EDIT: Your obvious attempts at distraction will NOT succeed with me! I'm far above your silly ninja tactics.

MAX
09-27-2008, 12:24 AM
ha! that happened to my picture of 'vote for carlita!'

=(

Smokey
09-27-2008, 12:32 AM
That pic was disturbing, to say the least. Photobucket actually performed a service to humanity.

MAX
09-27-2008, 12:35 AM
Pirates 6 27.27%
Ninjas 11 50.00%
Vikings 5 22.73%

Smokey
09-27-2008, 12:39 AM
Those votes would different if people could go back and change their votes. Vikings would have more votes than ninjas would.

MAX
09-27-2008, 12:46 AM
Too bad they can't, and like with Bush, you're just going to have to accept the victor.

MR EPIC
09-27-2008, 12:48 AM
Smokey can you please stop posting pictures of my mom? :(

Smokey
09-27-2008, 12:54 AM
http://www.laserdisken.dk/billeder/forsidealm/33852.jpg

This is your mother? Sorry. Won't happen again.

@Max: Bush is a dunce (I'll refrain from calling him an idiot; he WAS a C student, after all). Are you suggesting that I should sit idly by and allow someone to falsely assume that ninjas are superior when in fact they can't manage to open a door without looking stupid? I think NOT, sir.

MAX
09-27-2008, 02:16 AM
So you support Ninjas then. WHEW, glad we cleared THAT up!

Hottotty
09-27-2008, 02:30 AM
Neither vikings nor ninjas have troll dolls.

http://www.troll-company.dk/40thcat/pics/5447.jpg

BAM!

HGW XX/7
09-27-2008, 09:36 AM
^you just lost the argument for Pirates.

Also, MAX just compared Vikings to Bush. Therefor Ninjas can't ride a Segway without tipping it over. 'Cause they have terrible balance.

Hottotty
09-27-2008, 10:17 AM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Trolls are awesome. As always, the internets can prove for me why BOTH vikings and ninjas are just awful, IN THE SAME PICTURE. Observe.

Not a pirate:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4521/dsc1500mediumem8.jpg

MR EPIC
09-27-2008, 11:25 AM
Beserkers just after having eaten a ton of mushrooms...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d77/hotlink1/asterix-and-the-vikings-8.jpg

I can see why ninjas would be scared.

HGW XX/7
09-27-2008, 12:59 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Trolls are awesome. As always, the internets can prove for me why BOTH vikings and ninjas are just awful, IN THE SAME PICTURE. Observe.

Not a pirate:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4521/dsc1500mediumem8.jpg

The hat on the ground clearly shows that he isn't Viking or Ninja. He's Mexican.

Smokey
09-27-2008, 03:14 PM
Beserkers just after having eaten a ton of mushrooms...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d77/hotlink1/asterix-and-the-vikings-8.jpg

I can see why ninjas would be scared.

If Vikings actually wore helmets with horns, you'd be right.

The hat on the ground clearly shows that he isn't Viking or Ninja. He's Mexican.

Not just any Mexican, but a Mexican boxer. Check out his shorts.

Hottotty
09-28-2008, 12:25 AM
Wait, Vikings aren't just Mexican Ninjas? Well what the hell.

Smokey
09-28-2008, 08:57 AM
You mean the accent didn't give it away?

virion
09-29-2008, 10:31 PM
i just ate at long john silver's.. pirates definitely don't win.

Hottotty
09-30-2008, 07:26 AM
I double lolled at both posts.

I always assumed Long John Silver's was awesome. Like red lobster for people who want their lobster to be fried cod.

Smokey
09-30-2008, 06:51 PM
Oh, you assumed WAY wrong, my friend.

MR EPIC
10-11-2008, 10:41 PM
Ninjas FTW!

Lucas
10-11-2008, 11:04 PM
I really don't know how to swing here. Ninjas get the kills, and pirates get more booty (and I don't mean cash). If I had to choose though, I'd go with pirates. Ninja know how to kill like no other, but nobody knows how to have fun like a pirate. Money, booze, women, and the open sea. Win.

Smokey
10-11-2008, 11:21 PM
Except Vikings are clearly superior at both, so now you know.

MR EPIC
10-11-2008, 11:21 PM
Lucas - Ninjas already won. And because of that and also because of Smokey being a hater, he needs to put up a Ninja avatar and signature for no less than one week. :P

Smokey
10-11-2008, 11:33 PM
Pff, like that's gonna happen. Besides, Lucas, examine this thread closely, and you'll see half of the ninja vote turn and go Viking AND me and Sean prove that Vikings are clearly superior to ninjas and pirates.

HGW XX/7
10-11-2008, 11:39 PM
Just wait until I get my battle axe, grow my epic Viking beard, and rape/pillage the nation.

Smokey
10-11-2008, 11:55 PM
No puny ninja will be left alive.

http://thunzer.com/mdb/modules/Lymanite.net%20-%20World%20of%20Warcraft/i/ORLY%20Owls/large/BWAHAHAHA.jpg