Opinions on drugs

[ReaganYouth]

Let's start with the hippy drug El Es Dee.

What do you guys think about acid? I did that a few times and the first time it was pretty fun. I saw some **** I would have never imagined in a normal state of mind. The second time was about as good. The third time I was screaming the whole night. Oh god, it was like a freaking nightmare. I never did it again after that. Why does it have such varied affects on people? I never quite understood that.

[JValone]

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a definitive study on the effects of LSD, and I've spent quite a bit of time looking for one. I would assume the different trips people experience has something to do with the fact no one's brain has the exact same chemical composition, unless I'm mistaken, I'm pretty sure I wasn't asleep during that portion of Psychology. I doubt you get a very accurate dosage from black market LSD, which is obviously the only kind in America, so that would explain the differences for you personally. I've also heard first hand accounts from friends who claim lighting, what room you're in, and how your day has gone (whether you're happy, sad, stressed, angry, whatever) can make a huge difference.

I've personally never experimented with it and I don't plan to. Even though I can't find a study that I absolutely trust that condemns it I've heard and read reports that indicate it may cause permanent damage to the brain. It ends up being worse for some people than others, but my brain is one thing I won't risk so that automatically rules it out. I'd also be really concerned with, as I mentioned before, the fact you really can't trust any acid you pick up on the street. An extremely powerful hallucinogen like that is a lot more likely to have problems than other stuff like weed. Since it's a man-made chemical, as opposed to a plant, you can't have "natural" acid so it's a total crap shoot every time. I wouldn't want to take a couple hits and never fully recover. Even if that's just a slight risk it's too much for me to take.

[ReaganYouth]

^Like Roky Erickson and Syd Barrett? Those guys took acid nearly every day and the former wound up in a mental institution.

[JValone]

Exactly. I don't think that will happen to many people, and obviously Barrett abused LSD (don't know about Erickson) rather than taking it in moderation, but stories like that bother me a lot. I don't think I'd go nuts or anything, but even if it caused just 1% of that it would be too much to sacrifice.

[ReaganYouth]

^Yep, they even had to give him shock therapy and Thorazine treatments every day. The dude is a certifiable mess. This article should give you a good idea of what happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roky_Erickson

And this one too, which goes more in depth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jun/08/popandrock2

[Rensa]

I'm not looking to jump into this thread to antagonise anyone or anything, but I will ask this: why do people argue in favour of drugs like marijuana and against ones like acid because the former is 'natural'? That premise isn't even remotely persuasive to me; there are plenty of very dangerous toxins in nature.

[Darc Requiem]

I don't know how common it is, but LSD can have permanent detrimental effects to your brain. I remember one of my professors talking about how she and her friend went to a party in college and someone spiked her friend's drink with LSD. She had a really bad reaction to it and has had serious memory problems every since.

[Idol Australian]

A firend of mine used to take a fair bit of acid, and he is paying for it now. He has occacional acid flashbacks and he has some memory and motor impairment.

Weed isnt as natural as some think. Most weed is hydroponically grown, and it soaks up a lot of the chemicals that it is grown in. I was reading an article abot someone who was a chronic hydro user who sweated out all the different chemicals when he went thorugh rehab.

I have on occasion smoked weed, but I have found nothing special to do with it. I still prefer beer and bourbon.

What I have heard about LSD is that it really depends on what sort of mood you are in and your mind set. I have heard that if you are in a negative frame of mind, then you are going to have a bad trip. Same as if you are in a ****** mood.

And again, I do not have any desire to try out LSD, or any other drugs. Even cigarettes don't agree with me. As I only smoke when I am (very) drunk, I find it makes me light headed, and even then only briefly.

I know of too many people that have tried various drugs and have had many negative reactions to them to try any of them myself.

[virion]

lsd is extremely hard to find in america now anyways.

The decline in prevalence of LSD is correlated with the arrest of two chemists, William Leonard Pickard, a Harvard-educated organic chemist, and Clyde Apperson. According to DEA reports, black market LSD availability dropped by 95% after the two were arrested in 2000. These arrests were a result of one of the largest LSD manufacturing raids in DEA history.[81] Pickard was an alleged member of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love group that produced and sold LSD in California during the late 1960s and early 1970s. It is believed he had links to other "cooks" associated with this group — an original source of the drug back in the 1960s — and his arrest may have forced other operations to cease production, leading to the large decline in street availability. The DEA claims that these two individuals were responsible for supplying a third of the LSD in the United States and maybe the world.

In November of 2003, Pickard was sentenced to life imprisonment without parole, and Apperson was sentenced to 30 years imprisonment without parole, after being convicted in Federal Court of running a large scale LSD manufacturing operation out of several clandestine laboratories, including a former missile silo near Wamego, Kansas.

it is so incredibly hard to find acid now.. the last time i did it was in 2001.. in 2005 i took about 40 hits and it did nothing. if you find acid now it is so weak and dilluted. if you want something similiar to acid now the only thing you really have is mushrooms or pure mdma (x)..

anyone smoke salvia divinorum?.. i've tried that a couple of times and to really no effect.

the only drugs i **** around with today are xanax and seroquel. xanax makes me feel alot better and takes away all anxiety, which is good. also if you smoke weed or drink and take xanax it completely intensifies it.

the only drug i really have a problem with, and don't want and won't recommend others do, is meth. that is the worst effing drug ever.

[ReaganYouth]

^You actually like seroquel? Man, my old psychiatrist put me on that **** a few years ago, and I absolutely hated it.

[JValone]

Rensa, using acid and cannabis have very different consequences both in the short run and long term. It's not simply because one is "normal", it's because one is comparable to alcohol in its effects while the other has been proven (I'll admit, by anecdotal evidence but it's a mountain of these stories) to cause serious harm if you happen to be that unlucky individual. I personally don't use any substances anymore (other than prescribed medicine if I ever needed it) but I have tried cannabis and will never touch LSD, I actually put a lot of research into that decision and it didn't happen by chance. I'm about to head to class but when I get back I'll try to find an article explaining the difference.

Edit: Just did a quick search. As I said before I haven't found what I'd consider an entirely reputable research article on LSD, but this one appears to be fairly balanced, even though you could make a case for possible bias based on the site it's hosted on.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_faq.shtml

"Pathological mental conditions may be intensified by Delysid. Particular caution is necessary in subjects with a suicidal tendency and in those cases where a psychotic development appears imminent. The psycho-affective lability and the tendency to commit impulsive acts may occasionally last for some days."

That basically sums up my decision not to mess with it. Even though such a reaction is not guaranteed the fact that it's even possible worries me. Stories of people like Barrett and Erickson being seriously traumatized by their experiences with the drug are uncommon but not unheard of, it's enough to make me consider acid considerably more dangerous than other substances such as alcohol and cannabis.

[blokeymon]

The only drug I ever partake in is alcohol, and even then, in doses that are harmless to the body, and because its the only drug that gets completely washed out of your system.

Everything else (including nicotine) is for ****ing idiots, because they ALL linger in the body's system for long periods of time. Anyone who does these drugs really needs to OD on their respective poisons as soon as possible, therefore doing the world a favour.

But thats coming from someone who has seen first hand the effects drugs has on the users, their families, their children, their friends, etc. So lash out all you want, I base my opinions on cold, hard experience and openly invite all users to go **** themselves.

Note: My experience was not from BEING a user, but from several different family members who were.

[Lizzaroni]

My opinion on drugs is people should be able to do what they want.

[MAX]

I've only used cocaine and alcohol. So while I hardly endorse it, it would be hypocritical of me to say they're wrong and bad and to stay away from them.

[virion]

^You actually like seroquel? Man, my old psychiatrist put me on that **** a few years ago, and I absolutely hated it.

hell yeah.. it's one of the best downers.

[Tanooki]

I'm with JV on his LSD write-up there quite well. One thing I do find comical and the ads on tv I find so hypocritical and just piss me off is the anti-weed campaign. I just get sickened on the fact that booze(jackass...) and smokes are ok, and it's not. Booze has caused far more 'effect' related death, more brain damage, liver death, and various other issues. Smokes well go look up the crap in those filters and the rest (depending on make has some/all) with the urea, fiberglass, tar, etc put in there that cause all forms of lovely cancer, heart issues, lung failure. I'm not saying weed is 100% safe as it's not, but it's not worse than that legalized crap.

I'm sure some of you aren't buying this thinking I'm some righty crank but as I said I'm to the right on the dollar and military, moderate to left on much the rest. :D

[MAX]

WTF is boose?

[MR EPIC]

That's just not right. :)

[Smokey]

WTF is boose?

Are you serious?

[MAX]

I've never heard of this boose. Is it a new energy drink or something you hold farm animals in?

[Monkeylord]

He means "Booze" and you guys know it... stop being so mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V__ZvgPdSPU

[MAX]

Oh.. BOOZE. Now I get it. :P

[MR EPIC]

What worries me is that Smokey didn't. ;)

[ReaganYouth]

I'm glad I stopped taking acid when I did. Who knows what could have happened if I continued with that ****.

[prime_timer]

Three rules for drug use that I live by:

1.Dont shoot it.
2.Dont snort it.
3.Dont smoke it if it's white.

I also dont mess with pills that aren't labeled percoset.

[Rorshach]

If you need drugs to enhance your life, you need to do something with your life.

Whatever. If you want to do them, go ahead. I don't think the benefit (a momentary high) outweighs the costs (possible addiction, health problems, possible arrest). I'm already slightly neurotic and I enjoy life, so I don't really want to endanger my mental health with something that I don't need.

[prime_timer]

People who become dependent on drugs to enhance their life, the people who need to get stoned or drunk just to get by day to day are already the peices of **** who make the people like me who enjoy drinking and smoking pot on occasion look like the *******s.

[JValone]

That's a very negative attitude to have towards a fairly large chunk of humanity, Rorsch. I completely agree that the use of what I would consider dangerous drugs (heroin, meth, crack, cocaine, acid, various pills) is both stupid and shortsighted but what harm is there in someone kicking back with some marijuana, a cigar, or a cold beer? If used in moderation all three of those vices can bring enjoyment without destroying your life. As I said before I don't partake in any of it, even alcohol, but I can't see anything fundamentally wrong with responsible use of certain substances.

Yeah it isn't necessary, but neither is gaming. Or basketball. Or fantasy football. But I enjoy all of those things. Sure it's a bit of an odd comparison because none of them put me in a different mental state, however they are all entertaining time-wasters when broken down. I'll never play in the NBA and I'll never GM a pro football team, I'm not working towards anything substantial. Even gaming can't be considered much more than an excellent diversion until it gets the sort of artistic refinement found in novels or certain cinema. No one would ever bat an eye if I spent four or five hours a day doing any of those things, yet if I smoke a bit and eat some (delicious) cheetos I now need to "do something with my life"?

I don't mean to come down on you personally Rorshach, I was mainly taking the opportunity to address a common problem in our society which is the perception that certain people are better than others because they don't use any recreational substances. That's puritanical thinking, not factual in the slightest. I'm all for the condemnation of irresponsible use of these things, but we need to focus on the real problem: lack of personal responsibility. There are many people who make valuable contributions to society every day, then go home and smoke a joint or drink a few beers. What they choose to do for fun shouldn't be judged as long as it does not hinder their contributions in other aspects of life.

The thought process that leads one to believe they are better, or that others are lower, because of the personal decision they make to use/avoid recreational substances is in my opinion one of the worst lines of thought in America today. The focus should be on if that person is being responsible, if they are than how is having that as a hobby worse than the myriad of other useless time-wasters available? If more people put stock in personal responsibility we would be a lot more free in this country. The moralist agenda of "we can't have this because it's just wrong" has incarcerated thousands for non-violent crimes and created the largest criminal population in the world right here in the good old USA. It has also given authorities free reign to crack down hard on minorities and the poor, as well as made traffic stops and warrant-less searches routine If we spent more time minding our own business and focusing on the actions of others only in the public arena of work/school/community things would run much smoother. That's just my opinion anyway.

[Rensa]

Rensa, using acid and cannabis have very different consequences both in the short run and long term. It's not simply because one is "normal", it's because one is comparable to alcohol in its effects while the other has been proven (I'll admit, by anecdotal evidence but it's a mountain of these stories) to cause serious harm if you happen to be that unlucky individual.
Oh, I agree; I wasn't trying to bundle them together. I just see this fallacious argument that one is better than the other because one comes from a plant and the other from a chemist's lab. If it were me, I'd be going with the chemist's lab, if anything.

[MAX]

I think anything in excess is going to be bad for you. So to arbitrarily say that one group of drugs/pills is stupid because using marijuana, cigars, alcohol in moderation is 'ok', is pretty shortsighted and prejudiced. For example. I will occasionally use cocaine if I'm out at a party with my best friend, and we're bored. It's hardly a regular event and I don't come anywhere near having any of my faculties compromised. Now get someone (my sister) who moderately drinks isn't necessarily going to get liver disease, but her senses will be affected (after ONE drink) and that can be a problem all on it's own. Plus some people react differently to the different chemicals in different drugs. So what might be addictive to one, may not be addictive to another, etc. So I find it pretty naive to say that x in moderation is better than y. Like physics, it's all about perspective. :)

[Rorshach]

That's a very negative attitude to have towards a fairly large chunk of humanity, Rorsch. I completely agree that the use of what I would consider dangerous drugs (heroin, meth, crack, cocaine, acid, various pills) is both stupid and shortsighted but what harm is there in someone kicking back with some marijuana, a cigar, or a cold beer? If used in moderation all three of those vices can bring enjoyment without destroying your life. As I said before I don't partake in any of it, even alcohol, but I can't see anything fundamentally wrong with responsible use of certain substances.

Yeah it isn't necessary, but neither is gaming. Or basketball. Or fantasy football. But I enjoy all of those things. Sure it's a bit of an odd comparison because none of them put me in a different mental state, however they are all entertaining time-wasters when broken down. I'll never play in the NBA and I'll never GM a pro football team, I'm not working towards anything substantial. Even gaming can't be considered much more than an excellent diversion until it gets the sort of artistic refinement found in novels or certain cinema. No one would ever bat an eye if I spent four or five hours a day doing any of those things, yet if I smoke a bit and eat some (delicious) cheetos I now need to "do something with my life"?

I don't mean to come down on you personally Rorshach, I was mainly taking the opportunity to address a common problem in our society which is the perception that certain people are better than others because they don't use any recreational substances. That's puritanical thinking, not factual in the slightest. I'm all for the condemnation of irresponsible use of these things, but we need to focus on the real problem: lack of personal responsibility. There are many people who make valuable contributions to society every day, then go home and smoke a joint or drink a few beers. What they choose to do for fun shouldn't be judged as long as it does not hinder their contributions in other aspects of life.

It's cool. I see where you're coming from. While they all of them are mindless diversions, it's just the rest usually cause minor harm or none at all. Most drugs can cause massive, life-long damage to both the body and relationships. I mean, all things can when in excess, but the drugs you mentioned in the first paragraph do more damage in smaller amounts.

I often forget to include alcohol as a drug. Damn. But, JV, I don't think there's anything wrong with drugs; I just see very little appeal in them for most people. I mean, I'm fine with it and I don't try to judge people based on it (I just do because most druggies I know fit the stereotype) but I would never use any drugs with the exception of alcohol.

Even though it's mildly irresponsible of me to do that, but not other drugs.

[Tanooki]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/486710/mackeySouthParkMkay.jpg

[virion]

i used to use this comparison in high school to non - drug users questioning why i used drugs.. i would say, 'if i go out and buy $20 of weed and chill at home, smoke it, and have a good time, then what's the difference if i spent $20 on an amusement park and had a good time. as long as i didn't hurt anyone it was all relative.

[JValone]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/486710/mackeySouthParkMkay.jpg

/Thread

Seriously though, I'd been waiting three whole pages for that. I knew it was coming, hehehe.

[Lizzaroni]

Whatever, folks. If I was guaranteed legit E, I'd certainly try a bit.

[Nismo]

I shoot heroin up every so often if I can get my hands on it for a good price. Coke is easier to find as a friend of mine from high school gets it easy.

One time, I was about to take a massive dump and was about to snort some new **** so in a hurry I ripped this mirror off the bathroom wall and snorted coke while taking a ****. Very intense.


























Just kidding.

Never smoked a cig or did any drugs before. Believe it or not, I've never ever been drunk either. I've had beers, but never had hard liquor once. I have yet to even be CLOSE to being drunk. Don't ask why since I honestly don't know why. I also use the above story occasionally to new people I meet. I throw it in the conversation nonchalantly and tends to give good reactions. Thank you, I'll be here all week.

[Rensa]

I think I might end up doing a bit of weed with my mates the next time they're over with some. The only really big problem for me is how long it stays in your system, since booze buses over here do random drug tests as well. I've heard it's about a week, depending on your body fat, but I don't like to take chances and alcohol is more predictable (well, in that I can test my own BAC).

[virion]

I think I might end up doing a bit of weed with my mates the next time they're over with some. The only really big problem for me is how long it stays in your system, since booze buses over here do random drug tests as well. I've heard it's about a week, depending on your body fat, but I don't like to take chances and alcohol is more predictable (well, in that I can test my own BAC).

it can be anywhere from about 5 days to 3 weeks.

[Idol Australian]

Some friends tell me that they have been tested 24 hours after smoking and they passed.

As with alcohol, it depends on how much, your body makeup and metabolism.

[MR EPIC]

Weed can stay in your system for up to 30 days.

[JValone]

Smoking frequently makes it more difficult to clear the system. If you're a daily smoker, as Virion said, it could take a month or so get clean but for a first-timer I doubt it could last more than 10 days. Your metabolism and the amount of exercise you get every day matter quite a bit as well, from what I've read THC bonds with fat tissue so being thin gives you an automatic advantage over someone with a more filled out frame. Sweating is supposedly the best way to get it out of your system asap, so if you run or go to the gym fairly often that should help as well.

I had a friend who passed after 5 days. He drank an entire 12 pack of beer the night before and urinated it all out. He smoked a few times a month. That's a bit extreme for my tastes (I don't like beer) but I think if you give yourself a week and go run around a bit a few times during that period you should be in the clear.

[Rensa]

Mmyeeeah, see, that's quite a while to be driving around potentially testing positive, especially for a paranoid person like me. If it's grog, I can take a rough stab at how long it's going to take to metabolise, and if I really can't guess I can just wait until the next evening to be absolutely sure (or I can shell out fifty bucks to buy a BAC tester if it's important to know in a hurry). I don't want to be driving around for a week freaking out every time I see a booze bus... my mate got pulled up the other night two days after eating a cookie and th eonly reason he wasn't tested was that he accidentally drove into the queue too quickly.

[Idol Australian]

I have a friend who was driving home the morning after a big night out and blew .048....out legal limit here is .05.

Good thing he stayed for a chat for an extra 20 minutes.

I have been driving for 2 years and I have never been pulled over and never been through a booze bus. The 2 times I nearly had to, they were full and just waved me past.

[HGW XX/7]

^.05? In Nevada it's a .08.

[Smokey]

What worries me is that Smokey didn't. ;)

Hey, hey, HEY. I got it. Ass.:P

[Rensa]

Yeah, some of the legal BAC limits in the States scare me. .08 is pretty freaking impaired for a lot of people.

[Smokey]

Well, in the States, a lot of people are naturally impaired, so it's not that big of a deal here.:P

[virion]

Yeah, some of the legal BAC limits in the States scare me. .08 is pretty freaking impaired for a lot of people.

the first time i was arrested i blew a .32.. goldschlager and triple sec FTW!

[ReaganYouth]

I thought this was about drugs, not beer (that doesn't really count as a drug, imo).

[Darc Requiem]

Alcohol is a drug. Despite what the government's propaganda would lead you to believe, beer and cigarettes are drugs too.

[ReaganYouth]

Yeah, but I'm talking about the real ****. The **** that makes moms keep their kids away from me, so they never copy the behavior they see. :P

[Smokey]

Most moms do try keep their kids away from alcohol, so you're gonna have to rephrase that.

[ReaganYouth]

Oh, give me a break man! Alcohol doesn't even COMPARE to meth, peyote, LSD, heroin, or even cigarettes.

[MR EPIC]

Seriously, alcohol has no place in this discussion.

[Smokey]

Oh, give me a break man! Alcohol doesn't even COMPARE to meth, peyote, LSD, heroin, or even cigarettes.

Perhaps not Budweiser or similar licensed American brews. Foreign brews or, worse yet, moonshine can definitely stack up.

[MR EPIC]

So what? We're not talking about alcohol here in this thread we're talking about drugs. When you take a "drug" test you don't get checked for the levels of alcohol in your blood. Similarly when you take an "alcohol" test you don't get checked for how much marijuana is in your system. So please stop trying to be right for the sake of being right and leave this thread for the drugs that you know we're referring to.

[ReaganYouth]

Sorry Smokey. Beer is nowhere near as risky and dangerous as REAL drugs are. Take it from a huge fan of both. :D

[Smokey]

So what? We're not talking about alcohol here in this thread we're talking about drugs. When you take a "drug" test you don't get checked for the levels of alcohol in your blood. Similarly when you take an "alcohol" test you don't get checked for how much marijuana is in your system. So please stop trying to be right for the sake of being right and leave this thread for the drugs that you know we're referring to.

Hey, this isn't just me talking, this is most of the people that have posted for the past couple of pages. In a thread about drugs, alcohol definitely has a place, because it can be just as debilitating as tobacco, weed, coke, meth, etc.

Reagan, I'm not referring to just beer. I'm talking about alcohol in general, stuff that's much stronger than beer, as in moonshine that can literally blind you.

[Rensa]

So what? We're not talking about alcohol here in this thread we're talking about drugs. When you take a "drug" test you don't get checked for the levels of alcohol in your blood. Similarly when you take an "alcohol" test you don't get checked for how much marijuana is in your system. So please stop trying to be right for the sake of being right and leave this thread for the drugs that you know we're referring to.
Er, depends on the context, dunnit? As I said before, cops here in Aus check for drugs randomly when they do booze tests when they pull you over. And when you get tested for drugs in sports, it's not like they do a single test that covers every known drug but not alcohol.

[JValone]

I understand that alcohol is a drug Smokey, I think I may have even unintentionally begun this debate by including it in one of my posts, but our opinions on alcohol are mostly known (via the Drunk thread) while discussion of these other substances would probably prove to be much more interesting. So while I agree with you in principle this thread is better without alcohol in it. Unless someone posts drunk. In that case I think I'd be ok with the hilarity that ensued.

[Smokey]

I'm okay with alcohol taking a back seat here. I don't think it should be excluded altogether, though.

Has Erik even posted in this thread yet?

[ReaganYouth]

Alcohol might be dangerous, but it has not, does not, and never will come close to being as dangerous as cold, hard druuuuuuuuugs.

Anybody try Super Mario Bros (shrooms)?

[Smokey]

Name a drug that can cause blindness. Or one that has killed thousands, even millions, due to various types of cancer.

[Lizzaroni]

If you guys want to get real technical, even caffeine is a drug. Somehow, I think we all realize that we're using the word colloquially and that there's no need to point out every little thing that actually constitutes as a drug.

[ReaganYouth]

^^It's much harder to score drugs than it is to get beer. I'll go more in depth later.

[Smokey]

^^It's much harder to score drugs than it is to get beer. I'll go more in depth later.

I don't see what that has to do with how dangerous drugs or alcohol is. I guess I'll just have to wait for the extended version. Jesus, you remind me of Bethesda.:P

[MR EPIC]

If you guys want to get real technical, even caffeine is a drug. Somehow, I think we all realize that we're using the word colloquially and that there's no need to point out every little thing that actually constitutes as a drug.

Amen to that sister!

Reagan - Yeah, I've eaten shrooms once or twice and it's nothin' but gross. When you bite into them it's like this nasty gas leaks out into your mouth so I got done with them as fast as possible. Unlike with Acid though, I couldn't wipe the smile off of my face no matter how hard I tried. I was upset with my girlfriend one night at Denny's and I was saying angry things to her, but all the while there was this big grin on my face.

[virion]

mushrooms are alright. i used to culture them for awhile. but i'd take acid, mdma, and peyote over mushrooms anyday.. mushrooms made me too paranoid. pure mdma gives the same feeling of mushrooms minus the paranoia. now taking x and acid at the same time. lights out.

[Darc Requiem]

Alcohol most certainly belongs in this discussion. DUI isn't a alcohol related offense, its a drug related offense. If a cop determines you are impaired and you pass breathalizer they take you down town and give you a blood test and check for anything that would cause impairment. Doesn't matter whether its coke, meth, weed, etc. Just because its legal doesn't mean its not a drug. They reformulated the vast majority of over the counter medications for a reason.

[MR EPIC]

From this point on I'm going to consider alcohol related posts as "off topic" and act I'll accordingly. If you want an alcohol thread then by all means start one, but please don't get technical as I believe everybody knows what type of drugs we're talking about here.

[Darc Requiem]

Very well, I shall my opinion on drugs to myself then.

[Rensa]

That's a bit unfair, Epic. The fact that we're talking about opinions on specifically illegal drugs doesn't mean that alcohol has no place in the discussion; some people dislike some illegal drugs for reasons unrelated to their illegality. For example, as I said above, I have concerns about the metabolisation of pot and juxtaposed them with the metabolisation of grog. I'd say that's pretty fair and on-topic. If someone ignores drugs altogether and just goes on about grog, that's another story.

[MR EPIC]

I just went through each page of this thread and it seems that alcohol has been mentioned on and off throughout. I had thought that this was something that occurred around page 3 and that Reagan (the creator of the thread) felt that it was going off topic so I backed him on it. It seems I was wrong and you all are more than welcome to discuss alcohol as the drug that it is. Carry on. :)

[ReaganYouth]

I'll make a topic on beer later on in the day. Regardless of what you guys think, beer and drugs are NOT in the same category. Not even close. But I'm gonna have to ask that we keep this topic on REAL drugs, not beer.

[MR EPIC]

You guys can take this thread in any direction you all agree upon. I'm just saying that I'm backing away from my stance that alcohol shouldn't be allowed because it was allowed in here from the beginning and can also be seen as a drug.

[ReaganYouth]

^But it's not a drug. At least it's not a drug like peyote, crack, acid, weed, etc. It's more in line with caffeine, if it can even be called a drug at all.

[MR EPIC]

I understand and I personally make the distinction between the two. But maybe some people here aren't into the hard stuff and consider beer or other alcoholic beverages to be drugs. If it contributes in a positive way to the discussion (like Blokeymon's post on page 1) then it's okay to be here. If you would just drop the issue I think you'd find that others would drop it as well and alcohol would become less prevalent in this thread. The more you fight against it the more you'll be opposed by people wanting to talk about it. Like you said in the Now Playing thread "S'all Good".

[Smokey]

The more you fight against it the more you'll be opposed by people wanting to talk about it.

No you won't.

;)

Reagan, I still want to hear about a drug that induces permanent blindness. I'm not trying to be a jerk (well, not completely:P), but I do want to know just what I should stay away from.

[Rensa]

I don't wanna turn this into a grog thread; we have one already. Two. I'm just saying, comments like, "Alcohol isn't a real drug like crack or heroin or whatever," trivialises the suffering of alcoholics. As I said, I love the fact that alcohol is fully metabolised within a day or so. But it is still dangerous if used with impunity (not to mention it has social acceptance far and away beyond other drugs, though that's not really relevant).

[ReaganYouth]

No you won't.

;)

Reagan, I still want to hear about a drug that induces permanent blindness. I'm not trying to be a jerk (well, not completely:P), but I do want to know just what I should stay away from.

I don't know of any, but it's still not a real drug. I'm not denying that beer is dangerous, but if you're saying it's a drug that belongs in the same category as meth, acid, heroin, pcp, etc. then you're dead wrong.

[Rensa]

^ Why?

[Smokey]

Yeah, just because you can't snort it or inhale it (not well, anyways) doesn't mean it isn't a drug.

[Lizzaroni]

I'm not saying alcohol doesn't qualify, only that there's no need for people to point out that "technically speaking" caffeine and tylenol or whatever are also drugs.

[Rensa]

No worries :)

[virion]

i once snorted prozac. i do NOT recommend anyone do this. burns like a mother ****er.

[Smokey]

On that note (and this isn't completely drug-related), don't do it with salt either. Or sugar. Or pretty much anything that's white. Which would rule out cocaine, I guess. My way of thinking is that if Ken Nelson won't touch it, neither should I.:P

[virion]

On that note (and this isn't completely drug-related), don't do it with salt either. Or sugar. Or pretty much anything that's white. Which would rule out cocaine, I guess. My way of thinking is that if Ken Nelson won't touch it, neither should I.:P

on another side note.. i once snorted a line of crushed up 'smarties' all the way across my desk in junior high.

[ReaganYouth]

Drugs can be dangerous no matter how or when you take them. Beer is only dangerous if you take too much or get behind the wheel after drinking it. Granted, they're both dangerous, but they still belong in different categories.

[Nismo]

on another side note.. i once snorted a line of crushed up 'smarties' all the way across my desk in junior high.

I snorted lines of Pixie Sticks back in 6th grade. We were all on a field trip and thought it would be fun. About 6 of us did it.

It ****ing burned like a mother. I haven't put anything in my nose since.

[MR EPIC]

Beer can be dangerous if you snort it. Or if you build a house out of beer cans and a storm hits.

[JValone]

If you want to make a distinction between alcohol and other drugs the destruction caused by them is not the best comparison to use. You can make an excellent case for alcohol being more harmful than cannabis, and I'm sure there are other pills and narcotics I'm not aware of that are also less dangerous. If you want to keep this thread on your definition of drugs than just say "illegal" drugs, that cuts tobacco, alcohol and caffeine out and leaves everything else you mentioned. Pills can obviously be legal in certain cases but the way they're being discussed here certainly isn't their prescribed use, hehe.

[ReaganYouth]

I just never saw them as the same thing, that's all. If they were the same, we would all be druggies because lots of people drink beer and caffeine.

[Smokey]

Beer can be dangerous if you snort it. Or if you build a house out of beer cans and a storm hits.

Haha, snorting beer. The sad thing is that someone's probably done it.:P

[Rensa]

My mates tried to make a Christmas tree out of cans - like a full scale one. They got about 2/3 of the way through before they gave up.

[Smokey]

Your friends are slackers.:P

[Sean-AMN]

I for one am WAY against drug use. I have seen what it does to people... I dont want to paint a broad stroke but I find drugs to really change a person and not for the best. I have seen people get hooked on E and Coke and it ended horribly. I know its a lot of fun for a while, but it has effects that last forever....

[MR EPIC]

A big part of the problem is that you feel that you have certain drugs under control and can handle them, when it's really the other way around.

[Sean-AMN]

Indeed, hell I know weed is hardly looked at as a "drug" anymore yet I know plenty of folks who got wayyyy into smoking daily and their drive has since died.... one of these guys was a very very well connected web head...its sad really. I like chillin as much as the next person but talk about a change

[bountyhunter]

mushrooms are alright. i used to culture them for awhile. but i'd take acid, mdma, and peyote over mushrooms anyday.. mushrooms made me too paranoid. pure mdma gives the same feeling of mushrooms minus the paranoia. now taking x and acid at the same time. lights out.

huh, I actually like Mushrooms more than Molly and Acid. I love that nutty edginess that a good Mushroom trip has to it.


Whatever, folks. If I was guaranteed legit E, I'd certainly try a bit.

hehe

:D

lsd is extremely hard to find in america now anyways.

anyone smoke salvia divinorum?.. i've tried that a couple of times and to really no effect.


SWIM has no problem finding CID.

But yeah, Salvia is quite the experience. It's a shame you've gotten bunk ****, as I haven't ever experience anything quite so intense.

Drugs can be dangerous no matter how or when you take them. Beer is only dangerous if you take too much or get behind the wheel after drinking it. Granted, they're both dangerous, but they still belong in different categories.

That's really not true. If you have clean substances and are aware of your body's reaction to different things, than there's no reason drugs other than alcohol have to be unsafe. Not to be technical, but Alcohol is a god damn poison for crying out loud.


^^It's much harder to score drugs than it is to get beer. I'll go more in depth later.

not if you live in the states and are under 21...

Oh, give me a break man! Alcohol doesn't even COMPARE to meth, peyote, LSD, heroin, or even cigarettes.

Eh, man, I understand Alcohol might not be on the table for discussion necessarily, but don't treat it like it's nothing. From my personal experience, Alcohol has impaired me far more than LSD or Mescaline (the actual drug found in a few species of cacti, peyote included) ever have. Alcohol is also a whole hell of a lot more toxic and (therefore) dangerous. Heroin and Cigarettes may be more addicting, but that doesn't let Alcohol off the hook. And hell, for the purpose of argument, Mescaline and Acid aren't even addicting at all.


The only drug I ever partake in is alcohol, and even then, in doses that are harmless to the body, and because its the only drug that gets completely washed out of your system.

Everything else (including nicotine) is for ****ing idiots, because they ALL linger in the body's system for long periods of time. Anyone who does these drugs really needs to OD on their respective poisons as soon as possible, therefore doing the world a favour.

But thats coming from someone who has seen first hand the effects drugs has on the users, their families, their children, their friends, etc. So lash out all you want, I base my opinions on cold, hard experience and openly invite all users to go **** themselves.

Note: My experience was not from BEING a user, but from several different family members who were.

Its washing out of the body doesn't make it any more legit or safe (except possibly in a legal situation). Just because other drugs linger in the system doesn't mean they're for idiots. Alcohol is a lot more damaging than a great many other drugs. Those are some harsh words man.


I just never saw them as the same thing, that's all. If they were the same, we would all be druggies because lots of people drink beer and caffeine.

Why would being able to create segregatory classifications ever make good grounds for an argument?

[ReaganYouth]

That's really not true. If you have clean substances and are aware of your body's reaction to different things, than there's no reason drugs other than alcohol have to be unsafe. Not to be technical, but Alcohol is a god damn poison for crying out loud.

I'm not saying alcohol isn't dangerous (if you want proof of this, see my dad). I just don't think it belongs under the drug category. That's all.


not if you live in the states and are under 21...

Drugs are illegal though. For all ages.

Eh, man, I understand Alcohol might not be on the table for discussion necessarily, but don't treat it like it's nothing. From my personal experience, Alcohol has impaired me far more than LSD or Mescaline (the actual drug found in a few species of cacti, peyote included) ever have. Alcohol is also a whole hell of a lot more toxic and (therefore) dangerous. Heroin and Cigarettes may be more addicting, but that doesn't let Alcohol off the hook. And hell, for the purpose of argument, Mescaline and Acid aren't even addicting at all.

It's the opposite with me. My experiences with certain drugs (like heroin and acid) were more taxing on me than alcohol could ever hope to be. LSD might not be addicting, but it sure as hell ain't safe. Alcohol is dangerous too, but that's not illegal so...

[Lovebird]

Oh, give me a break man! Alcohol doesn't even COMPARE to meth, peyote, LSD, heroin, or even cigarettes.


Wow.

ReaganYouth, alright...

[virion]

and one thing.. i'm not completely sure, but all evidence i've researched is that lsd's halflife in your system is extremely quick.. only a couple of hours. i've heard everyone say to test to see if you've done acid they do a spinal tap because it stays on your spinal cord but i believe that is complete ********. i would like to see some proof of that.

if i'm correct that would mean that acid stays in your system less time than alcohol.

[virion]

SWIM has no problem finding CID.

But yeah, Salvia is quite the experience. It's a shame you've gotten bunk ****, as I haven't ever experience anything quite so intense.

who's this SWIM.. and where can i meet them?

yeah all the Salvia i've gotten has been bunk. i followed all instructions.. smoke out of a good bong, take huge hits and hold in for as long as you can.. mostly just gave me a headache.. and i believe what i smoked always was like 30 extract or something.

[bountyhunter]

I'm not saying alcohol isn't dangerous (if you want proof of this, see my dad). I just don't think it belongs under the drug category. That's all.


Alcohol is used in ways similar to other drugs and has similar symptoms. Alcohol is a drug. Period.

Legality doesn't determine what is and isn't a drug, and it certainly doesn't determine how hard things are (or aren't --~) to get.

who's this SWIM.. and where can i meet them?


Maybe I'll introduce you to them sometime.