Rules, Offensive Content, and Debate.

[ReaganYouth]

Seems like things got a bit interesting last night. I talked with Monkeylord, and requested to clean up the previous thread. I have moved all posts into this thread that were related to the debate in some way or another. Please be respectful to the other members, and give us your input. The entire mod staff will be discussing this, and we want your opinions. - HGW XX/7



Holy **** (pun intended)! I didn't think they would change my name, but they did! I'm Toilet_Butter now!

[MR EPIC]

Great way to not look for attention. :rolleyes:

I don't agree with the name personally, as it might as well just say **** IMO. I also don't agree with Coral's signature either, but apparently somebody keeps allowing these things without consulting the group. :(

[Blinger101]

But...there's nothing wrong with his signature. There's no nudity. Something suggestive maybe, but no nudity.

Also, what a ****ing dumb name. No offense, but like EPIC said, you're just asking to be an attention whoral.

[MikeWolfskin]

Everything is wrong with his signature it speaks sex all over it, Which is a privet topic among lovers.This is not the right place to hear, speak or see such in the forums; and I'd like to say I love you coral but that signature fills like it's breaking the rules. Post it in a thread in the water cooler about sex topics but not as a signature for everyone else to see in every other part of the forums.

[Lovebird]

His signature is fine.

You guys are being ridiculous.

[MikeWolfskin]

You don't see anyone else with sexual looking signatures now do you? I don't. How about I throw a signature up of me raping a phone to? Does that sound appealing? I didn't think so! Kombo is for everyone and as such should keep most stuff labeled at PG-13 or be rated and marked other wise. This is for everyone's enjoyment alike. We do have younger members believe it or not. Some of how are major mature for there ages as young as 15 but there mom and dad still don't care when they see that sex signature and scream never go on Kombo ever again!

[ReaganYouth]

^Yes, it sounds very appealing to me.

[Lovebird]

You don't see anyone else with sexual looking signatures now do you? I don't. How about I throw a signature up of me raping a phone to? Does that sound appealing? I didn't think so! Kombo is for everyone and as such should keep most stuff labeled at PG-13 or be rated and marked other wise. This is for everyone enjoyment alike. We do have younger members believe it or not. Some how major for there age as young as 15 but mom and dad still don't care we they see that sex signature and scream never go Kombo ever again!

Since when was sex bad?

Did I miss a meeting? Was I asleep? Did you guys have a vote while I was out? Can I place an absentee ballot?

Grow up, it's suggestive, but there's no nudity. Get over it.

[MikeWolfskin]

^Yes, it sounds very appealing to me.

Not everyone is gay buddy :rolleyes: How about one of a hot female rapping a phone? :sorry:

Since when was sex bad?

Did I miss a meeting? Was I asleep? Did you guys have a vote while I was out? Can I place an absentee ballot?

Grow up, it's suggestive, but there's no nudity. Get over it.

Yes well growing up has a lot do with knowing that nudity, sex and suggestive themas is not right for the eyes of everyone. Again Kombo is for everyone not just you guys. If you ask me keeping stuff labeled and out of the eyes of younger members and keeping everyone happy is very mature.

I'm not trying offended anyone, so can you not take that high and mighty tone with me? Look beyond for a moment and think about everyone in the world and not just yourself.

[Blinger101]

Not everyone is gay buddy :rolleyes: How about one of a hot female rapping a phone? :sorry:



Yes well growing up has a lot do with knowing that nudity, sex and suggestive is not the for the eyes of everyone. Again Kombo is for everyone not just you guys. If you ask me keeping stuff labeled and out of the eyes of younger members and keeping everyone happy is very mature.

I'm not trying offended anyone, so can you not take that high and mighty tone with me? Look beyond for a moment and think about everyone in the world and not just yourself.

Ahh the old double-edged sword tactic. It's ok to have a hot girl on the phone, but not a hot guy (hot to Coral anyway).

[MikeWolfskin]

Ahh the old double-edged sword tactic. It's ok to have a hot girl on the phone, but not a hot guy (hot to Coral anyway).


:D Well I figure if he digs it one way he will not dig it the other way.

OMFG LMFAO Toilet_Butter FTW! lolz

[Rensa]

Er, don't we have a babes and hunks thread? That's much worse than Coral's sig... SRSLY, the great thing about implicit sexual suggestion is that doesn't harm anyone who doesn't understand it in the first place. And in terms of explicit content, there's nothing more offensive in Coral's sig than some hairy thighs :P

Hell, maybe he's just making a phone call ;)

[Blinger101]

There you go, TB. And by the way, I ****ING LOVE MISSION HILL! Best. Show. Ever.

[Coral]

Um, Im sorry you guys dont like the signature, but if its something that could be in a public ad then I think its fine. If public displays of sex are a problem to you, you might want to move to Iran. :/ Just saying.

[MikeWolfskin]

Er, don't we have a babes and hunks thread? That's much worse than Coral's sig... SRSLY, the great thing about implicit sexual suggestion is that doesn't harm anyone who doesn't understand it in the first place. And in terms of explicit content, there's nothing more offensive in Coral's sig than some hairy thighs :P

Hell, maybe he's just making a phone call ;)

Yes but that's not the point the thread your talking about is labeled for the topic. Do you see thus pictures allowed to be show any where else on the forums? No.

Also the point is not if someone is to young or dumb to understand, but there are many who will be offended by none labeled topics and markers there family can see.

All it takes is one seven year old getting his eyes on mature nudity or suggestive themas to get Kombo in a law suit or have the kid pulling girls brawls off at school. We have to be the adults who make this forum and Community for everyone.

We don't need to be making up reasons why adult mature stuff should be seen by everyone, but we do need to keep in mind just because we have an opinion doesn't make us right. Again keep the forums about everyone and for everyone's enjoyment or we are no longer a Community forum for the people.

[ReaganYouth]

^Chillax mate. There aren't even a whole lot of people that read these boards anyway. It's pretty obscure compared to other gaming sites on the internet.

[MikeWolfskin]

^Chillax mate. There aren't even a whole lot of people that read these boards anyway. It's pretty obscure compared to other gaming sites on the internet.

Did you stop to think one of the reason why is the topic where talking about right now? The rules clearly say no nudity in pictures and signatures and I fill his signature is coming close to that topic. I've had to learn to not cuss as much or understand others options. Where trying real hard to become a bigger web page for forums and topics, just ask Sean O Nail. I see this even more after becoming the new Host of Max Kom the Community for everyone podcast.

[MR EPIC]

Rensa - Not only have I received complaints about Coral's sig (which is a problem) but he's also supposed to be on a 3 month no-tolerance probation. I think it was a bit too early for him to start making the types of threads that he has and way too early for a sig like that. He need to come back thankful and appreciative to even be here.

Patrick Mugan - Relax, you're not part of the moderation team and it's really not your place to decide. That is why there is a "grey area" put specifically for members like Coral who like to push the envelope. It's not necessarily breaking a rule but again he's on a probation and I'm getting complaints about it.

[ReaganYouth]

Well, kiddies don't need to be comin' on here anyway. There's already enough sources of immaturity on these boards, including yours truly.

And besides, it's nothing really offensive (unless you're a homophobe). It's just a naked guy with a cell phone covering his privates. What's the big deal?

[MikeWolfskin]

The day we let porn, and nudity leaked into Signature and avatars every where and become a not about the people, members or Community for everyone; is the real day I levee for forever!

I'm only asking he put something less suggestive or offensives up, nothing more. If I can learn to understand people like Coral, Regain and Germ; I fill they need to do the same and make the forums a Community for everyone!

This is not just my dream ask Sean o Nail or even Mr Epic. We really what new members and others to come and join us of all ages, races and styles.

[Coral]

There is no nudity in the picture. So it doesnt break any rules. Theres no Rule for something deemed as half nudity, cause theres no such thing. And if a 7 year old sees the signature hes not gonna think anything different from when hes walking the streets with his mom, and he sees a naked woman covering he body on a big billboard.

[MikeWolfskin]

In my and many peoples opinion that is called Phone sex, which is sexual and not placed right in the right area of the forums are mark right for our Community for everyone forums. Why not just put the dude blowing a huge pink bubble gum back up? That was not sexual or suggestive in any way. I understand you and I don't care personally because of age but we have to understand others for the Community.

[MR EPIC]

Just let this go for now. I'll be speaking with Andy and the rest of the moderation team about these issues ASAP. It's come to my attention that we're not enforcing the rules they way we said we would and I'm personally just as guilty of it as anybody.

[Rensa]

All it takes is one seven year old getting his eyes on mature nudity or suggestive themas to get Kombo in a law suit or have the kid pulling girls brawls off at school. We have to be the adults who make this forum and Community for everyone.
Kombo has a clause disclaiming any responsibility for its members' content. Not to mention members under 13 are required to have parental consent to surf. A lawsuit isn't gonna happen.
Rensa - Not only have I received complaints about Coral's sig (which is a problem) but he's also supposed to be on a 3 month no-tolerance probation. I think it was a bit too early for him to start making the types of threads that he has and way too early for a sig like that. He need to come back thankful and appreciative to even be here.
If I thought there was anything more than a vague suggestion then I'd totally agree - believe me when I say that I sympathise with your position, and of course you guys are in charge. But I will still voice, at least once, the opinion that there is nothing in this sig you wouldn't see in a James Bond film (in fact, it's much more tame than that).

[HGW XX/7]

Okay, I edited the opening post with this:

Seems like things got a bit interesting last night. I talked with Monkeylord, and requested to clean up the previous thread. I have moved all posts into this thread that were related to the debate in some way or another. Please be respectful to the other members, and give us your input. The entire mod staff will be discussing this, and we want your opinions. - HGW XX/7

Alright, this thread will be opened, and I want everyone's opinion. Remain respectful, and talk about any rules you think need to be addressed. Attention posts. Drunk posts. Sexual content. Inconsistency in moderation by the mod squad.

Begin.

[MAX]

The day we let porn, and nudity leaked into Signature and avatars every where and become a not about the people, members or Community for everyone; is the day the terrorists have ONE!!! 9/11!!!

Fixed.


In my and many peoples opinion that is called Phone sex, which is sexual and not placed right in the right area of the forums are mark right for our Community for everyone forums. Why not just put the dude blowing a huge pink bubble gum back up? That was not sexual or suggestive in any way. I understand you and I don't care personally because of age but we have to understand others for the Community.

You need to grow up and stop policing the forums for 'inappropriate material'. Video games have more suggestive content to them (Lara Croft, any female in any fighting game, etc.). Seriously, get over it.

[Blinger101]

Mike, no offense, but you ARE one of the people who wanted Coral back in the first place. You were FULLY AWARE of the type of person Coral was/is. He even had that picture as his sig before. Also, THERE IS NO NUDITY. Some bare legs, but that's it. If you see nudity of ANY SORT, please save the picture, open it in Paint or another program of your choice, and CLEARLY mark where there is nudity. I'll bet you can't find any.

Also, if you think Coral's sig is bad, what about MAX's? Is that one not suggestive? That one is more explicit, suggesting a girl giving cunnilingus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunnilingus) (that link is purely educational, but even still, a warning of NSFW). If you're complaining about Coral now, you might as well give MAX the same ****ing treatment. Jesus H. Christ.

[blokeymon]

It's just a naked guy with a cell phone covering his privates. What's the big deal?

In my and many peoples opinion that is called Phone sex

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG!

Seriously, I ****ing ROFLd my ass off at that comment. Pepsi came out of my nose and everything. Oh man, that was truly awesome.

If you REALLY want to know what phone sex is, either click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_sex), or get a girlfriend. Or talk to a friend who does. Or talk to someone you know who does. Whichever one is actually possible.

[thegamecubist]

Mike does have his right to protest the picture, much like how many have the right to say Coral should keep the picture, so telling him to stop being a baby isn't going to solve anything.

I personally don't find the picture offensive. The phone is coving up his naughty bits. Nothing to see here except a little bit of thigh.

How about: we have to pass sigs by the mod squad? We trust their judgement in moderating the forums so I think they could judge whether something is offensive. Ideally this could work, although it's obvious claims of favoritism will arise from this.

[HGW XX/7]

Honestly somebody could claim that thegamecubist's sig is offensive, because it could be taken as two people about to shoot themselves in the head.

Mine could be offensive for glorifying drinking.

It all depends what kind of beliefs somebody has.

There needs to be a better reason other than, "It implies gayness. His junk is there, you just can't see it."

At least that's my opinion. I'm more than willing to hear everyone else's.

[MAX]

I don't know if the mods want to be bogged down with "is this ok for my sig" every time people want to change their sigs. I've never heard of a forum doing that, and I'm not sure the forum here wants to feel like we're being babysat. How about this:

No pornography or obscene gestures in sigs.

Clearly this forum has to cater to the youngsters as well as the older 'kids', so we have to show some restraint with our sigs. While everyone has their right to protest something offensive, anything can be considered offensive. I think that thegamecubist sig imagery is waaay more offensive than Whorals, but no one has ever had an issue with imagery depicting someone holding a gun to their head? VERY INTERESTING.

People on this site need to grow up, particularly about sexual imagery (read: not pornographic). I don't know how some of you (Mike) can watch Anime or almost ANY marketing on TV without your head exploding...

[thegamecubist]

I love you guys too :)

[HGW XX/7]

I don't know if the mods want to be bogged down with "is this ok for my sig" every time people want to change their sigs. I've never heard of a forum doing that, and I'm not sure the forum here wants to feel like we're being babysat. How about this:

No pornography or obscene gestures in sigs.

Clearly this forum has to cater to the youngsters as well as the older 'kids', so we have to show some restraint with our sigs. While everyone has their right to protest something offensive, anything can be considered offensive. I think that thegamecubist sig imagery is waaay more offensive than Whorals, but no one has ever had an issue with imagery depicting someone holding a gun to their head? VERY INTERESTING.

People on this site need to grow up, particularly about sexual imagery (read: not pornographic). I don't know how some of you (Mike) can watch Anime or almost ANY marketing on TV without your head exploding...

I don't think we need to have sigs submitted for approval. That'd be lame sauce. We do need a consistent system so we aren't making double standards.

Coral's sig doesn't really have anything sexually implied in my opinion. He might think he's attractive, but that image in and of itself isn't sexual.

thegamecubist's sig is from a video game, which is the primary focus of these forums, so generally that should be okay (especially since in the game it isn't a suicide thing with the Evokers).

I'm willing to admit my sig might be a bit much, and will take it down at first request.

MAX, it seems you'd be willing to change your sig as well according to the highlighted part of your post.

Any ideas on how the moderation team can fairly decide on sigs? Ideally there wouldn't have to be any moderation for sigs, 'cause really, it's a signature on a forum. Though I know we all like to have our own stuff there. We want to do it in a way that seems fair to the community.

[MAX]

I am not changing my sig, except to make a point. My sig has been the same (with the exception of the flower) for almost a year now without an issue. Anyone that has an issue with it will just have to deal, like they should with other signatures or relatively harmless imagery. America truly has become overly sheltered and pussified, my god. "Oh no, that offends me.. keep it away.. KEEP IT AWAY!!"

Big middle finger to those people.

[HGW XX/7]

Then you're entirely fine with obscene gestures. 'Cause it wasn't the flower (obviously) that I was referring to.

[MAX]

I KNOW what you're referring to. It's not obscene. She's merely licking the frosting out from between her fingers. She spent all morning making a birthday cake. It's not my responsibility to make sure people don't take the imagery the wrong way...

[thegamecubist]

IMO, I think my own sig is more offensive that yours, Sean :D Although if it needs to be changed I could could change it. The only bitching I got about it so far was that it was took big before.

I think that what MAX suggested is fine, it's just that we all have different standards. How about we say what Coral has is borderline: anything more sexually suggestive than that should be banned. What MAX has now (the flower) is just funny XD

Ugh, this is difficult.

[MAX]

Why even define Whoral as 'borderline'? That's just adding fuel to the fire. Either it's ok, or it isn't. Is there a penis? Is there sexual intercourse? Fine. I don't even see it as 'borderline' since it's just a guy on the phone looking sexy. Ohhhhh borderline!!!

Sorry tgc, I'm not trying to jump on you...but this whole 'let's police everything that's 6 degrees away from indecent!! RAR!!!' annoys me.

If we're going to police sigs, then we need to police the entire forum. No more suggestive anime, no more video game homages with people holding guns to their head, no more hot babes forum. In fact, no more suggestive talk either. Let's just make a clean wipe through the entire site and sterilize it for ANYTHING (subjectively) indecent.

[thegamecubist]

^no worries, just pitching ideas :)

But yeah...more or less we keep things the way they are, unless we want to just go "Rated E for Everyone" here. You can't objectify subjectivity. IT'S TOO HARD!

[notes suggestive line in post]

[MR EPIC]

Max you do have a good point and consistency is something that we'll be discussing and working towards when we get together as a group later on. Trust me when I say I have no desire to make people feel uncomfortable or to make such rigid regulations among such a small community and I'm pretty confident that myself, DEATHSTAR, MonkeyLord, HGW, and PF can come to an agreement on what's reasonable in this situation.

[HGW XX/7]

If we're going to police sigs, then we need to police the entire forum. No more suggestive anime, no more video game homages with people holding guns to their head, no more hot babes forum. In fact, no more suggestive talk either. Let's just make a clean wipe through the entire site and sterilize it for ANYTHING (subjectively) indecent.

Well, even without policing the content of your sig. It IS too large.

Also, if anyone can't come up with a better idea, I say we go with this idea. It's gold.

Edit: If anyone takes that last part seriously you DESERVE to be policed. :D

[MAX]

But it's not broken... so I don't get it. I feel like that if just one person makes an issue out of something, the members around here all have a collective knee jerk reaction and we spend 3 months arguing about something silly. Seriously. Someone can complain that people add too many spaces after a period, and we'll have a forum debate about whether there should be one space after a period or two. Then people get mad they don't get their way, and threaten to leave the forums. It's the oldest story ever written. Why can't we just tell people "too bad, deal with it" if it's really not an issue to begin with.

It's so perplexing to me.

[MR EPIC]

Well there's a good chance that the people who personally don't like Coral's sig (including myself) will in fact just have to "deal with it" as you say. The Toilet Butter name though is another subject altogether. We're not sure who allowed that name yet but if we allow that to stand then why not have somebody call themselves "ass cream" and then "anal juice" and then so on and so forth? But again, I'm speaking on my own behalf here and doesn't necessarily represent what the group might decide on later.

[MAX]

The toilet_butter is just nasty and stupid.

[Lizzaroni]

What's funny is absolutely no one got upset about my Christmas avatar, which was a naked man whose bits were covered solely by some hay, and just barely.

But hey, I'm a girl, so it's OK.

EDIT: Oh, he had a Santa hat on too. My bad.

[Smokey]

The toilet_butter is just nasty and stupid.

But is it really worse than uterine prolapse?

[MAX]

actually it is, since (most) people would have to google uterine prolapse to 'get it'.. where as toilet butter is pretty ****ing self evident. It's like comparing 'HSV-1 virus' with 'shaft_sucker'.

[Smokey]

Just because it's apparent to more people doesn't mean it's more disgusting, just that one is more crudely put than another.

[MAX]

If one doesn't know what something means, how is one capable of judging if it's 'disgusting' or not? Plus, mine isn't my MEMBER NAME, which is what people tend to look at 100% of the time.

[Smokey]

Those that DO know what it is are capable of judging it, and the one is no better than the other. Though you do have a point with TB being his username, which I feel a bit of exasperation over, myself.

[MAX]

Those that DO know what it is are capable of judging it, and the one is no better than the other. Though you do have a point with TB being his username, which I feel a bit of exasperation over, myself.

If you feel that grossed out about it, you should write a strongly worded email to the medical board asking them to change their terminology.

[ReaganYouth]

I asked Sean and Ken to change my name, so it's clearly ok with at least one of those guys.

So you're just gonna have to deal with it. :P

[Smokey]

If you feel that grossed out about it, you should write a strongly worded email to the medical board asking them to change their terminology.

Just because the term is medical doesn't make the thing it's describing any less disgusting.

Reagan, I don't know why they would do that. Or rather why Sean would do it. Ken rarely posts here anymore, so he probably wouldn't know about that incident. Whatever the reason, I thought you were over this TB nonsense.

[MAX]

Just because the term is medical doesn't make the thing it's describing any less disgusting.



Only if you're a poossay

[Coral]

Anything that could be seen in public I say is fair game. The problem is some people think everything is offensive. Like I said, we arent living in Iran where if you scratch your balls in public they chop off your hand.


Offensive? (http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x291/coralispink/dg0604a.jpg)

Offensive? (http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x291/coralispink/ridinghoodnutts.gif)

[MikeWolfskin]

Your all acting way past immature on this topic, his signature shows off a man having an organism over phone sex and is inappropriate for the forums. Anyone who has posted that I need to grow is not truthfully looking at the matter. The whole point remains, it’s not about if I find it inappropriate or not, but is the point of if it's inappropriate for a community forum for everyone!

Topics of Anime, Games, Films, Comics, Manga, or anything is fine as long as the thread is labeled right. The signature is something everyone can see all over the forum anywhere at anytime. One more time about if I think it's inappropriate, it's about if it’s inappropriate for the community which is for everyone, not just me, you, are anyone souly!

I don't agree about life or deaths begin a huge issue as long as huge amounts of blood are not flying everywhere. For a video game forum there is nothing wrong with action, but sex is something many people what kept privet. I don't personally what to see to people making out, or having organism over phone sex, I'd rather have real sex with a hot lady in privet my self.

There is nothing cool about showing off sex or suggestive themas of sex in a signature. In fact I don't respect you for not making a cool passionate art signature.

A lot of you need to look at Talizo's avatars they have defined this community with a bad ass fill that applys to everyone. I fill the signatures should be nothing but the same!

[MR EPIC]

Coral stop already. Your opinion is biased here because you're obviously one of the main parties involved. As I stated previously, you probably have nothing to worry about since technically your signature doesn't break any of the current forum rules. My problem with it is your lack of self-control, but it's nothing I take action towards above being personally irritated by it. What i mean is, some of us worked hard here to get you back to the forums and you're supposed to be on a 3 month "no tolerance" probation. I personally think the right thing to do in that situation is to lay low, appreciate being back and mind the types of signatures you bear and the types of discussions you partake in. In the same way that I warned certain people here to not purposely antagonize you so as to get you into trouble, I think you have a certain obligation to stay away from trouble yourself, even anything remotely close.

But since you've been back you've partaken in trolling, arguments, making sexual threads (69, missionary) and bearing sigs that have offended some people here. That is my biggest problem with this situation, not the signature itself (although I don't care for it by my personal opinion isn't a rule). You have the type of personality that likes to take full advantage of any opportunity afforded to you. Just because you technically had the right to do some of these things doesn't mean that it was a good idea for the community that you did.

I take some responsibility in this, because rather than taking immediate action against you when you clearly broke a rule, I talked to you about it via AIM and got you to either erase your posts or reword them. I was wrong in doing that (although my intentions were good) because I can't extend that courtesy to everybody here and the treatment needs to be even for all members. So while I'm disappointed by some of the decisions you've made here recently, at the moment there isn't much to be done about them now, namely your sig as I've said it doesn't break the rules. What this situation does provide however, is an opportunity for our moderation team to look at ourselves and what type of job that we've been doing, as well as to revisit the rules and see if anything we've laid out is unclear.

And Reagan - I wouldn't get too comfortable with that name if I were you. Something tells me it won't last long.

[Rorshach]

Your all acting way past immature on this topic, his signature shows off a man having an organism over phone sex and is inappropriate for the forums. Anyone who has posted that I need to grow is not truthfully looking at the matter. The whole point remains, it’s not about if I find it inappropriate or not, but is the point of if it's inappropriate for a community forum for everyone!

Topics of Anime, Games, Films, Comics, Manga, or anything is fine as long as the thread is labeled right. The signature is something everyone can see all over the forum anywhere at anytime. One more time about if I think it's inappropriate, it's about if it’s inappropriate for the community which is for everyone, not just me, you, are anyone souly!

I don't agree about life or deaths begin a huge issue as long as huge amounts of blood are not flying everywhere. For a video game forum there is nothing wrong with action, but sex is something many people what kept privet. I don't personally what to see to people making out, or having organism over phone sex, I'd rather have real sex with a hot lady in privet my self.

There is nothing cool about showing off sex or suggestive themas of sex in a signature. In fact I don't respect you for not making a cool passionate art signature.

A lot of you need to look at Talizo's avatars they have defined this community with a bad ass fill that applys to everyone. I fill the signatures should be nothing but the same!

Can you prove it's phone sex and he's having an orgasm? Do you see semen covering the phone box? Are there genitals clear? To answer for you, no, no, no, and no. Mike, Cubist's sig is far more offensive (not to me), but in general because violence is not a natural body function, especially not suicide. My sig suggests that I would rather let the whole human race die rather than just let a couple die. Max's sig suggests what's possibly worse than Coral's but you're not complaining. And, as someone said, video games can be fairly offensive things. Gears of War has curb-stomping, Mass Effect has a sex scene, and those games are fairly accessible even to kids. They're both mainstream, whereas our little Kombo isn't too well known. Which one do you think will be found by kids first? Curb-stomping or Coral's "sex" sig?

It could be said that his sig is phone sex (which I'm pretty sure it is), but it could also be said that your comic is offensive because it personifies your DS Lite as a beautiful girl, implying you want to have sex with your handheld.

I say let him keep it until it either shows two people having sex (regardless of gender) or shows genitalia of any sort. Or a blatant hate statement.

[ReaganYouth]

If homosexuality and naked guys offends people, then they need to get over it. Or sleep and shower with their clothes on.

[MikeWolfskin]

Can you prove it's phone sex and he's having an orgasm? Do you see semen covering the phone box? Are there genitals clear? To answer for you, no, no, no, and no. Mike, Cubist's sig is far more offensive (not to me), but in general because violence is not a natural body function, especially not suicide. My sig suggests that I would rather let the whole human race die rather than just let a couple die. Max's sig suggests what's possibly worse than Coral's but you're not complaining.

It could be said that his sig is phone sex, but it could also be said that your comic is offensive because it personifies your DS Lite as a beautiful girl, implying you want to have sex with your handheld.

I say let him keep it until it either shows two people having sex (regardless of gender) or shows genitalia of any sort. Or a blatant hate statement.

My Character is pure Innocent and this arrangement repulsively getting stupid! Stop using something that doesn’t offended you as reason to defended what is clearly a highly suggestive sexual theme. Many people in the world are not as offended by violence as they are by sexual or highly suggestive sexual themes! There are rating people; there is a right place, or topic to talk about them. There is also a wrong place to talk about, or show then which is in a signature where everyone on a community forum that suppose to be for everyone can see it! I don’t have problem violence labeled under PG-13 for signatures and avatars. I’m also fine with R rated themes or topics if there labeled right! I do find offence is a very suggestive theme that is sexual looking.

Anyone who began talking about violence is not offended by it here, because no one has loads of blood spraying everywhere in there signatures! If you where you would have contacted staff or mods about this topic privately. Your all begin very immature in not understanding what “For everyone” really means! Unlike some hear my art has never pushed anything suggestive!

If homosexuality and naked guys offends people, then they need to get over it. Or sleep and shower with their clothes on.


All of you need to stop with the homosexuality comments! The topic is of sexual or sexual suggestive themas. My offense lies in nudity or highly suggestive themas not mark as such for the whole Community that is for everyone! I have no reason to hate on homosexuality as long they keep it them self's.

[Rorshach]

My Character is pure Innocent and this arrangement repulsively getting stupid!

Prove it.

Stop using something that doesn’t offended you as reason to defended what is clearly a highly suggestive sexual theme. Many people in the world are not as offended by violence as they are by sexual or highly suggestive sexual themes!

Judging by the "Babes/Hunks" thread, I doubt that many are offended by sexual themes.

There are rating people; there is a right place, or topic to talk about them. There is also a wrong place to talk about, or show then which is in a signature where everyone on a community forum that suppose to be for everyone can see it! I don’t have problem violence labeled under PG-13 for signatures and avatars. I’m also fine with R rated themes or topics if there labeled right! I do find offence is a very suggestive theme that is sexual looking.

Clearly you're offended by PG-13 material. Have you EVER seen a PG-13 movie? Near nudity is fairly common, especially in a sexual sense. And are you saying that we shouldn't post ANYTHING that could be sexual? Well, guess what? Everything has some kind of sex related to it. Video games? Sex (DOA, SCIV, etc.) Movies? Sex (Too many to list). Music? Sex

Anyone who began talking about violence is not offended by it here, because no one has loads of blood spraying everywhere in there signatures! If you where you would have contacted staff or mods about this topic privately. Your all begin very immature in not understanding what “For everyone” really means! Unlike some hear my art has never pushed anything suggestive!

No. This is just sheer ignorance. Stop it, Mike. You're being a dumbass. Does Coral's sig have loads of jizz going every where? No. Does anyone have loads of blood anywhere in their sigs? No. Has anyone ever said Kombo forums were for everyone? No. If they did, then all swears would be censored, the podcasts would be labeled as "NSFC", because of swearing, sexual commentary, and alcohol consumption. In fact, I'd say you're being more immature than anyone on this site. You're essentially screaming "LOOK AT THE PARTIAL NUDITY IN HIS SIG, IT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS SEXORZ!" That's what 5th graders do. Get over it. The less you point it out, the less people will care.

And you're comic isn't innocent. You used to have it in your sig about your character being your girlfriend. With a skirt that short, I wouldn't doubt some kind of sexual nature.

All of you need to stop with the homosexuality comments! The topic is of sexual or sexual suggestive themas. My offense lies in nudity or highly suggestive themas not mark as such for the whole Community that is for everyone! I have no reason to hate on homosexuality as long they keep it them self's.

Are straight comments OK? Are you bothered by nudity of a non-sexual nature? Does Mike think that straight men have to keep their sexuality to themselves? Is Mike going to stop being stubborn? Answers to these questions and more, in Mike's next post.

Also, this is stupid.

[Blinger101]

Mike, I'm still waiting on the proof I requested from you.

[MikeWolfskin]

Everyone "Can it", grow some balls, I'm not offended by R rated films or PG-13 films I prefer them. That doesn't give me or you are anyone a good reason to force others to see something that shows off highly suggestive sexual themes!

If I wished to show off suggestive sexual themes, or just plain sexual themes I'd have done so already!

Blinger just because nothing is nudity doesn't make it any less Incorrectly placed for a forum that is for everyone's eyes.

DS girl doesn't have a phone near or up her ass deal with it you immature arrogant pigs! Sex is Sex, suggestive themes of sex is sex, and blood is blood. I will always place sex as highly more offensive then Blood and death!

I'm done here, I have far better stuff to do like Video Games, a Podcast planing, might even have real privet sex, may just watch tones of blood go every where but beyound anything it will placed under the right control.

[MR EPIC]

We've already had a meeting and the new amended rules (which are very fair) will be up later this evening. I don't see a need for this thread to continue after that time.

[Rorshach]

So the phone a bad thing now despite keeping these forums PG-13? Procreation is more offensive than us enjoying curb-stomping? Wow.

Maybe you should man up, Mike. You've clearly lost this debate (maybe just an argument now), but you refuse to admit it.

EDIT: Sorry, DJ.

[Nismo]

I don't see the big deal with Coral's sig, it's obviously a guy who just ordered the 5-5-5 deal from Dominos and is taking quick nap while he was placed on hold to confirm his order.

As for MAX, it seems she just finished an ice cream cone and some fell on her fingers. So instead of wasting it, she decided to just eat it while she could.

In conclusion:

http://ghostmike.com/images/sbtb014.jpg

Now, can we just grow up?

[Blinger101]

All I'm trying to point out to Mike is that unless Coral's sig EXPLICITLY IMPLIES sexual activity, then it shouldn't be considered offensive. Once again, I refer to MAX's sig, which is very explicit.

Sex (in it's purest form) is the act of reproduction, which is a good thing. Pointing a gun to somebody's head (ala thegamecubist), is more about the act of killing/murdering/nonproduction.

Jesus. H. ****ing. Christ.

[MikeWolfskin]

Video game death VS real Life death is fully different. I did however say in my opinion sex that is not privet is worst then blood and guns. Max has a very evil signature as well. I fill people need to stop pushing sex on or suggestive sex themes on this forum! What's wrong with something with style for everyone to enjoy?

[Blinger101]

Mike, clearly you don't know about 'National Sex Day 2008'.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080810/sex_day_080810/20080810?hub=Health

Also, you see that guy in the picture? Jonathan Yaniv? I WAS IN THE SAME CLASSROOM AS HIM FOR A YEAR.

[Nismo]

http://www.duke.edu/~dgm4/censorship3.gif

[Lizzaroni]

FYI, this was my avatar (the one nobody - absolutely nobody - raised a fuss about):

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/LessThanLiz/SantaGuy.jpg

OooHHhhHhH probably having after having an "organism." Really, you guys are ridiculous. I spent months on this board seeing female celebs in very suggestive positions or seriously lacking clothes (or both), and the issue was NEVER brought up until Coral had something for an av or sig (can't remember.) If you're going to create a standard, you'd better ****ing enforce it across the board, and this means your hot people threads. I wonder if some of you remember the forum that revolved around such topics (can't remember the name - Health and Sexuality or something?)

[Coral]

O.O hawt, I didnt pay it much attention when it was small


OooHHhhHhH probably having after having an "organism." Really, you guys are ridiculous. I spent months on this board seeing female celebs in very suggestive positions or seriously lacking clothes (or both), and the issue was NEVER brought up until Coral had something for an av or sig (can't remember.) If you're going to create a standard, you'd better ****ing enforce it across the board, and this means your hot people threads. I wonder if some of you remember the forum that revolved around such topics (can't remember the name - Health and Sexuality or something?)


Ever since the John vs Jeff era the forums have experienced lockdowns, and punishments handed out to people when no rule existed to back them up. For the first year I was on AMN, people were able to speak freely, and there were a lot of disagreement,s but the mods didnt get too involved but it never got too out of control. That said I do believe the forums at the moment does need a bit more moderation, but thats just because the forums no longer seem to be a place where idiots and bigots can be clearly labeled publicly through posts. You cant say this, you cant say that, you cant talk about this, you cant talk about that.

Suggestion: Like some other forums, AMN needs an adults only area, not for adult content like pictures and videos, but for more adult conversations. Maybe not adult, but a 17+ area. Users should have to prove their age some how.

[Lizzaroni]

I <3 Christmas.

[Rorshach]

^^^That sounds like you're grouping most of us in there. Most of us didn't care then and most of us don't care now (though it certainly doesn't appeal to me. Brrr...)

[Lizzaroni]

The post is aimed at those taking the position I'm arguing against.

[MR EPIC]

Liz - If you haven't understood it from what I wrote, the reason that any of us had a problem with Coral's signature in the first place is because he has a history of being controversial, you obviously don't. Ultimately it doesn't break any rules for him to have his current sig so we're okay. I just felt it was too early for him to be doing stuff like that but it was more of a discretionary issue than anything.

[HGW XX/7]

If you're going to create a standard, you'd better ****ing enforce it across the board, and this means your hot people threads.

That's the plan.

[MAX]

Wow. After reading from where I last posted, I've concluded one thing. Mike needs to keep his jesus off my penis.

That is all.

[Lizzaroni]

I'm really not sure what having a history of being controversial has to do with anything. That doesn't mean his sig is any less appropriate than it would be if I put it in my sig. *shrug*

[MR EPIC]

*sigh* I didn't say that it had anything to do with it being appropriate or not (I think that was Mike), I was only explaining where I was coming from personally and maybe one other. Again, as a group we feel that it is a non-issue according to the rules so it's all good. Even your jingle jangle Jiggly Santa Claus will do.

So have fun and go crazy people.

[Smokey]

FYI, this was my avatar (the one nobody - absolutely nobody - raised a fuss about):

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/LessThanLiz/SantaGuy.jpg

OooHHhhHhH probably having after having an "organism." Really, you guys are ridiculous. I spent months on this board seeing female celebs in very suggestive positions or seriously lacking clothes (or both), and the issue was NEVER brought up until Coral had something for an av or sig (can't remember.) If you're going to create a standard, you'd better ****ing enforce it across the board, and this means your hot people threads. I wonder if some of you remember the forum that revolved around such topics (can't remember the name - Health and Sexuality or something?)

Wasn't that picture cropped, though? I only remember that avatar showing from the upper part of his chest on up.:hmm:

I'm just sayin'.

[Tanooki]

Your all acting way past immature on this topic, his signature shows off a man having an organism over phone sex and is inappropriate for the forums. Anyone who has posted that I need to grow is not truthfully looking at the matter. The whole point remains, it’s not about if I find it inappropriate or not, but is the point of if it's inappropriate for a community forum for everyone!

I was PM'd about this last night too and I've been reading up on this thread to catch up now fully. Honestly I'm with mike and Epic on this matter. The problem here is consistency something that couldn't be maintained with the last pack of moderators either. The other problem here is that obviously cursing, nudity, snuffing out people, and other over the top stuff is bad, but also when making a board like this you have to consider the whole, not your own damn selfish needs or propaganda. A great way to look at it really if you want this place to grow is quite simple...find a balance between censorship and the classic 'not safe for work' - 'would it piss you off if your 12 year old saw this?' type argument.

Like it or not that sig basically is implying phone sex and rubbing one off to it and you don't need that here as it just doesn't fit, implies the obvious, and is just inappropriate. To be equally fair though, the babes/hunks thread busts that wide open, just as Liz with her nudie Santa, and the other lightly covered Jessica Alba sig from early this year/last year. That doesn't need to be here, Reagans name basically being coy about being named shat boy is out of line too. The moderators need to moderate and in moderation. As epic said in a long thread a few posts below the part of one I quoted...special favor is being taken, laxness and laziness is rife with the rules and being backed up. Obviously what needs to be done and done now is to get that new set of rules up, clamp down, and suck it up because friends don't get favors if you're a mod. Be nice, give your warning, and if it keeps up...send whoever it is packing and if they whine and piss or their buddies do tough as they knew what they were getting into when they signed up and agreed to the TOS of the board.

[Vinny-AMN]

Wasn't that picture cropped, though? I only remember that avatar showing from the upper part of his chest on up.:hmm:

I'm just sayin'.

I actually have it on good notice that that man's sexual organs were actually totally CUT OFF before that picture was taken.

[Smokey]

Yikes. Pain Olympics, much?

[MAX]

omg... so now we shouldn't 'imply' anything? Does your wife have to wear a burka and a skirt that reaches her ankles?

Stop douching up the forums with your stupid puritan mentality and go to a disney forum if you're uncomfortable with arguably suggestive material. It's not pornographic, and if you can't keep your brain from interpreting it that way...then that's your problem.

that sig basically is implying phone sex and rubbing one off to it

Seriously? I mean... SERIOUSLY? That is actually from a spanish commercial, and he's singing into the phone. So really, the question here should be what latent deviant sexual desires are you projecting on peoples sig's, Jeff? Have anything you and Mike want to share?

...and smokey, Liz's avatar was that whole picture. Trust me, I remember. It wasn't cropped... and I luffed it.

[Rensa]

Like it or not that sig basically is implying phone sex and rubbing one off to it and you don't need that here as it just doesn't fit, implies the obvious, and is just inappropriate. To be equally fair though, the babes/hunks thread busts that wide open, just as Liz with her nudie Santa, and the other lightly covered Jessica Alba sig from early this year/last year. That doesn't need to be here...
Consistency is all well and good, but why would you fall on the side of consistently moderating? If nobody's complained about the above stuff in the past, the community's acquiesced to it so it's acceptable. Which makes Coral's sig, being equivalent by your admission, acceptable too.

As Coral pointed out, his sig was taken from a bus stop ad. This is nothing you wouldn't see on a deoderant ad or sommat. We're not out to be some sort of safe haven from society at large here.

[Smokey]

...and smokey, Liz's avatar was that whole picture. Trust me, I remember. It wasn't cropped... and I luffed it.

Hmm, wonder why I don't remember it that way. I know it wasn't my puritan mentality at work.:hmm:

As Coral pointed out, his sig was taken from a bus stop ad. This is nothing you wouldn't see on a deoderant ad or sommat. We're not out to be some sort of safe haven from society at large here.

To be fair, that wouldn't be on any bus stop ads here in the States (well, maybe California, but that's doubtful). And Mike does raise a good point: in the majority of the US, sex isn't public, not even things that could be remotely interpreted as sexual, though things are changing with the latter. It's true that this is not an American forum (well, it is, actually; it's the makeup of the forum that isn't all American), but people from different countries have to keep in mind that the American mindset is quite different in some respects from the rest of the world, and vice versa.

So while Coral's signature may not be against the rules, and while in actuality it isn't overtly sexual in nature (maybe, we still don't know what sort of song he is singing), the majority of people seeing it for the first time will assume it is sexual in nature, especially if they are familiar with the kind of person that Coral is. Personally, I agree with Epic in that the picture has been posted in bad taste and that Coral should've chosen a less controversial sig.

[Tanooki]

Wow maxie I hit a soft spot didn't I? I find it funny I'm seeing people not liking the fact with people like mike and epic saying those things don't belong and then I throw in I don't either but in fairness think all of it should go I get the run around. Sorry, that just doesn't work that way.

Rensa do please prove to me that's an ad from the side of a bus as I'd be quite surprised. And no I'm not validating his ok-ness to keep it I'm saying it would have to go, just as the Jessica Alba sig that was floating around would have to as well...being fair and all. Fact is as said in the post above, that crap wouldn't fly in the States, and the site is hosted there, owned there, and the majority of people are also from there too on the site. A general standards rule is what is needing to be applied which is why I felt on the side of mike and epic on that. As Smokey said, at the base level the imagery is very implied and will strongly lead to that suggestion more than any others first by design which is why it would fall outside of a decency thing, much like liz's nude santa hat cover dude, or some of the slinky skank art we've had inside of some sigs.

All I'm getting at is apply a fair standard across the board, and in doing so make sure the standards are set so that it's both 'safe for work' and 'safe for the 12yo and up' type crowd. You may have your own tastes, cool, but this is ultimately and primarily a video gaming board, not a propaganda bench to air your laundry in directly or covertly through text, images, whatever. Sorry some of you can't accept that, but perhaps this just isn't the best place for you to be here if you can't keep it clean enough for a fair majority. Did it ever occur to anyone that simple things as a few words or an implied piece of art may be in part (outside of the crap ton of stupid bitching and fighting) keep this place even with those who sign-up and quit (ie: no expansion.)

[MAX]

To be fair, that wouldn't be on any bus stop ads here in the States (well, maybe California, but that's doubtful).

That's simply not true. I've seen plenty of advertising on transit that has sexual tones to it. Any large city you go to you can see that.

And Mike does raise a good point: in the majority of the US, sex isn't public, not even things that could be remotely interpreted as sexual, though things are changing with the latter. It's true that this is not an American forum (well, it is, actually; it's the makeup of the forum that isn't all American), but people from different countries have to keep in mind that the American mindset is quite different in some respects from the rest of the world, and vice versa.

MTV, VH1, E!, NBC, FOX, Comedy Central, MAXIM, FHM, Calvin Klein, etc disagrees with you.

the majority of people seeing it for the first time will assume it is sexual in nature, especially if they are familiar with the kind of person that Coral is.

So? It's not whorals problem if someone assumes something or not.


Wow maxie I hit a soft spot didn't I? I find it funny I'm seeing people not liking the fact with people like mike and epic saying those things don't belong and then I throw in I don't either but in fairness think all of it should go I get the run around. Sorry, that just doesn't work that way.

The only soft spot you hit is with your moronic self serving sense of what should be considered appropriate or not. Also, the structure of your sentences. Horrible.

Fact is as said in the post above, that crap wouldn't fly in the States,

That's not fact. Please stop throwing sound bite around like it's accurate.

that crap wouldn't fly in the States, and the site is hosted there, owned there, and the majority of people are also from there too on the site.

You're right, it's the U.S., which means whoral has every right to express himself as it isn't inflicting harm on anyone else or pornographic. Just as you and everyone else making a mountain out of a molehill have every right to put him on ignore if you don't want to see what's in his signature.

As Smokey said, at the base level the imagery is very implied and will strongly lead to that suggestion more than any others first by design which is why it would fall outside of a decency thing, much like liz's nude santa hat cover dude, or some of the slinky skank art we've had inside of some sigs.

If you really have a problem with that imagery, which probably wouldn't even be PG-13 according to MPAA, then you need to be aggressive with your ignore feature.

All I'm getting at is apply a fair standard across the board, and in doing so make sure the standards are set so that it's both 'safe for work' and 'safe for the 12yo and up' type crowd.

WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN! IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!

*wank wank*

You may have your own tastes, cool, but this is ultimately and primarily a video gaming board, not a propaganda bench to air your laundry in directly or covertly through text, images, whatever. Sorry some of you can't accept that, but perhaps this just isn't the best place for you to be here if you can't keep it clean enough for a fair majority. Did it ever occur to anyone that simple things as a few words or an implied piece of art may be in part (outside of the crap ton of stupid bitching and fighting) keep this place even with those who sign-up and quit (ie: no expansion.)

It's a video game forum yes, but one which allows its members to express who they are through our sigs and avatars. Just because a small minority of overly sensitive babies can't get over a guy with a telephone between his legs are being vocal, doesn't mean the forum needs to change it's rules to be more strict on what users relate to.

[Monkeylord]

To be fair, that wouldn't be on any bus stop ads here in the States (well, maybe California, but that's doubtful). And Mike does raise a good point: in the majority of the US, sex isn't public, not even things that could be remotely interpreted as sexual, though things are changing with the latter.

Fact is as said in the post above, that crap wouldn't fly in the States,...


Well, in the case of public advertising in the US...



http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20070510/WBthehardsell20070510133717/divorce.jpg

http://www.adrants.com/images/joes_jeans_ass.jpg

http://razorapple.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/houston_billboard_calvin_klein.jpg

http://www.sfilate.it/img/hk3.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_rd20AOYrFN0/RiOQukD_aAI/AAAAAAAAASk/4DPdFZUgD9Y/calvin+klein.jpg

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/703771.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABB803662B37E94FB98 284831B75F48EF45

http://www.globalgraphica.com/img/0704/070504_calvinsexad_soho_w498.jpg


... just sayin. There's plenty more where those came from.

[MR EPIC]

I can't very well uphold the amended rules until HGW actually posts them, so until that time I'm gong to temporarily close this thread as it looks to be headed in a bad direction. He should have the rules up by this evening and they're actually going to be enforced.

To make myself clear on the Coral matter once and for all....

I did have a problem with Coral's signature for two reasons. One (which I guess I was wrong about) was that I too had assumed that the guy in the pic was getting off to some sexual coversation (i.e. having phone sex). Secondly (and this is not a rule breaker) I was irritated more by Coral always having to push the envelope. We're friends and all but I've told him time and time again that he takes advantage of freedoms he's been given and to the extreme in many cases. Again, this is not breaking the rules so there really isn't anything to be done about it.

That being said (and this is just a forewarning so you guys aren't shocked when the rules do hit later today), if our moderation team gets enough complaints about a sig, a post, an avatar, or whatever, we will have a vote on it and we will use our discretion in a case by case scenario to decide whether or not that sig, post, avatar shall stand. We are a team of 5 capable adults and a well-rounded group, not narrowed to a certain way of thinking. We hope that you guys would get behind us and back our moderation team, but if anybody gets pissy about a decision we make then you may do what you'd like, even if that means threatening to leave the forums. I'm not saying this to encourage leaving, as it's the last thing any of us want to see, I'm saying this so you guys know just how serious we are.

Since this thread is temp-locked you may continue your comments in the "New Rule Discussion" section of the forums until the new rules go up.

[HGW XX/7]

Okay, yesterday Monkeylord, MR EPIC, and myself got together and discussed forum rules. Here you go:

1.) We've worked out a complaint system which will make dealing with 'suggestive' and 'questionable' material easier for everyone.

If you find an image, signature, thread, etc. inappropriate, file a complaint via PM with a mod. This information will be passed along to all other mods. If a mod sees it necessary they can take action immediately, however if that action is contested (again via PM with mods. No need to make a huge thread about it) a vote will be initiated between the 5 of us. Each vote will be cast with an explanation, and action will be taken by the decision of the majority.

If 3 complaints are received, the complaint will immediately go to a vote among the mod staff.

Basically upon the first complaint action can be taken if it is clear that it is inappropriate. If it is 'grey area'/suggestive content, 3 complaints will initiate a vote among the mods for the course of action.

We encourage you to notify any and all of us if you feel something is inappropriate on the forums. Things are going to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

2.) Attention seeking/drunk posting. Posts that are made for the sole purpose of drawing attention to a person without any reason or input relevant to the topic will be modified/deleted. Offenders will receive warnings/temporary bans according to the forum rules. Also note that being drunk or high will no longer be an excuse for this or any other rule breaking. Even if you delete everything when you sober up, you'll still have to face the consequences.

3.) Bagging on other members past/present. It won't be tolerated. This includes banned members such as Carlos. Posts will be modified/deleted and you will receive ONE warning. if it happens again it will result in a temporary ban.

Any questions/comments?

[ReaganYouth]

I'm ****ing pissed off that my new name is being taken away. Max has a sexually suggestive sig and he gets to keep it, while mine merely references feces and it gets deleted?

As for making this board more kid-friendly, why? Do you really want a bunch of 8-12 year old twats running around screaming "******", "******", and other crap they spew on LIVE/PSN? Please. We already have enough immaturity on these boards as it is. I may be contributing to that problem, but I know I'm not the only one.

Edit: I request that the word "******" be censored out just like every other curse word. It would be unfair otherwise. And twat too.

[Rorshach]

Because you've spamming it and being a general ******* about it. I don't particularly care about it, but I do care that you've been saying it and drawing attention to it for no reason.

I do agree about the "******" thing. Hold up.

EDIT: K. Not racist. Just testing a slur. I think it's fair to say that saying the f-word is offensive enough to warrant a censor.

[MR EPIC]

That's a fair enough request Reagan. Also, as Max stated earlier in this thread, sigs and avatars can be changed or disabled but somebody's forum name is something that people have to look at all of the time and we feel it would be inappropriate to allow a name like that. It would open up a can of worms for new members to have names like "Anal Duct" "Ballsecks" or whatever else they might want to create. This is not the type of image that KOMBO wants to project.

[ReaganYouth]

I'm adding "cracker", "whonkey", and "whitey" to the list.

[OAR]

what the hell is Whonkey?

Is it like a slur against Eddy Murphy?

and whitey doesn't really offend me at all.

[ReaganYouth]

It's a racial slur for white people, I believe. If ****** gets censored, then derogative white terms should too.

[Rorshach]

I don't really feel offended by any of those terms, but it makes sense.

NO DOUBLE STANDARDS!

[OAR]

Yeah!

...this brings up the memory of the south park where stan's dad gets labeled as that "N-word guy", then at the end the reporter is like "And now the word "****** guy" is now banned. damn i just said it" and gets carried away

[Coral]

White people arent a minority, and nor has that word been used to demean and degrade white people.

[ReaganYouth]

White people arent a minority, and nor has that word been used to demean and degrade white people.

Not entirely true. Some black people DO use those words to degrade white people. I see it all the time at my school, which has a very large amount of black students. Why should we leave it be? For the sake of politcal correctness?

If this has anything to do with how black people were slaves over a hundred years ago (before any of us were even born), get over it. I'm ****ing Cherokee Indian, and you don't see me bitching about it. Granted, I'm half Irish too, but I doubt it'd be any different if I wasn't.

[OAR]

Just because the actual event happened over a hundred years ago doesn't mean that people don't treat black people the same way. See the KKK. See the neo-nazis.

[Lizzaroni]

Wow, I like how derogatory terms are only derogatory if someone is in a minority now. That makes almost as much sense as a sig being offensive if and only if it is the sig of an abrasive member.

Heh. "Abrasive member."

[HGW XX/7]

It's not political correctness. It's the fact that to 90%+ of white people, cracker and whitey aren't offensive.

[ReaganYouth]

It's not political correctness. It's the fact that to 90%+ of white people, cracker and whitey aren't offensive.

Well, it's offensive to me. And I won't tolerate it.

Wow, I like how derogatory terms are only derogatory if someone is in a minority now. That makes almost as much sense as a sig being offensive if and only if it is the sig of an abrasive member.

Heh. "Abrasive member."

For once we agree on something. :)

Just because the actual event happened over a hundred years ago doesn't mean that people don't treat black people the same way. See the KKK. See the neo-nazis.

And those people are usually looked down upon. From my experience, if a black guy discriminates against a white guy, nobody even bats an eyelash.

[HGW XX/7]

If you're really that offended by it then file a complaint with the mods and we'll use the system that was outlined in the post that re-opened this thread.

[MR EPIC]

Exactly. I mean where do we draw the line? People can get offended by any word quite frankly, so should we shut down the dictionary and start using sign language? Please, "whitey" and "Cracker" do not need to be censored words. Let's be honest, they would only be used as derogatory by a black person, not many of which we have on these forums anyway. I don't see Robb, Coral, or Darc Requiem using language like that. If words like that become an issues we'll deal with them on a case by case basis.

[HGW XX/7]

^BIngo.

Or you can file a complaint and it'll go to a mod vote if we get 2 other complaints from people.

[ReaganYouth]

Exactly. I mean where do we draw the line? People can get offended by any word quite frankly, so should we shut down the dictionary and start using sign language? Please, "whitey" and "Cracker" do not need to be censored words. Let's be honest, they would only be used as derogatory by a black person, not many of which we have on these forums anyway. I don't see Robb, Coral, or Darc Requiem using language like that. If words like that become an issues we'll deal with them on a case by case basis.

Um, how about because they're racial slurs and are just as bad as any other profane terms out there?

If people are going to be pussies about "******", "*****", "****", etc., then words like "cracker" and "whitey" deserve the same attention.

[MR EPIC]

Sorry, no matter what you say "whitey" and "cracker" do NOT hold the same amount of weight as saying ****** or n****r.

Also, it occurs to me that some of you are so preoccupied with fighting our newly implemented system rather than just going about your business and being productive forum members. These rules we've put together are not for our benefit but for the benefit of our members. If you guys are really determined to make our jobs that difficult and nitpick us to death, I can assure you that we won't stand by and take it. We could be much more stringent about the rules of y'all would like. I suggest you guys just relax and see how things play out for a few days or weeks before you jump the proverbial gun.

[HGW XX/7]

Then do something about it. We have the system to deal with "Suggestive and Offensive" content. Including sigs and all that jazz. Use it. It's why we made the system.

[Rorshach]

I dunno'. I actually agree that the n-words shouldn't be used, but I also think it's unfair to use any of the white words. I don't think anyone's really offended, it's just silly.

Whatever. I don't really care, just voicing my opinion.

[ReaganYouth]

^You're right, it is unfair. And that's why I care. I understand the double-meaning excuse, but the "same amount of weight" thing is ********. Sorry, but I have more dignity than that. I will not be a pushover, and I will do anything I can to make sure there are no double standards.

And I'm not saying any of our current black members would say those words. But new ones may join and feel free to use them however they like. That is what I'm concerned about.

Then do something about it. We have the system to deal with "Suggestive and Offensive" content. Including sigs and all that jazz. Use it. It's why we made the system.

Because my complaint, if there ever are any, would probably go ignored.

[HGW XX/7]

^You're right, it is unfair. And that's why I care. I understand the double-meaning excuse, but the "same amount of weight" thing is ********. Sorry, but I have more dignity than that. I will not be a pushover, and I will do anything I can to make sure there are no double standards.

And I'm not saying any of our current black members would say those words. But new ones may join and feel free to use them however they like. That is what I'm concerned about.

And that's why we said we'd deal with this kind of stuff on a case by case basis.

I fail to see why this is so hard to understand.

And what makes you say it'd go ignored? It might not win a mod vote, but it would definitely be acknowledged.

Also, if you really want you can contact any of us via AIM. Send me one right now if you'd like. I'd actually like to talk to you about this. SeanLuvsKatamari is my screename and I'm currently appearing offline.

[ReaganYouth]

And that's why we said we'd deal with this kind of stuff on a case by case basis.

I fail to see why this is so hard to understand.

And what makes you say it'd go ignored? It might not win a mod vote, but it would definitely be acknowledged.

Acknowledgement is not good enough for me, unfortunately. Like I said, I want everything to be completely fair, as in no double standards.

[MikeWolfskin]

So how do we report this to if we wish to? I'm asking for future possibility only.

[HGW XX/7]

To any of the mods, Mike.

Monkeylord, DEATHSTAR, MR EPIC, PF The Kitsune, HGW XX/7

PM them with your complaint. Simple as that. You can even IM me if you have a complaint.

[ReaganYouth]

So how do we report this to if we wish to? I'm asking for future possibility only.

The little symbol on the bottom of a members post, that has an exclamation point on it (or this "!"). Either that or you can just PM a mod.

[HGW XX/7]

^Exactly. The Report post button if it's a post. But if it's a sig or an issue like cracker/whitey you should PM a mod.

[ReaganYouth]

^If I do that, will you guys make sure that the term or entire post is deleted? If you do then I'm fine with that.

[HGW XX/7]

^If you report a post where whitey or cracker is used in a manner so as to offend or demean, then yes, I will personally modify/delete the post myself. I'm sure the other mods would as well. However, if it's a situation where I say something like, "Oh man, I'm such a whitey/cracker." Don't expect that to get deleted.

There's a reason it's a case by case basis, and if you want I'll talk to you on AIM or PM anytime to get things even more straightened out if you'd like.

[ReaganYouth]

^If you report a post where whitey or cracker is used in a manner so as to offend or demean, then yes, I will personally modify/delete the post myself.

There's a reason it's a case by case basis, and if you want I'll talk to you on AIM or PM anytime to get things even more straightened out if you'd like.

I mean if the word cracker or whitey is used to refer to white people at all, it should be deleted. Even if they're just joking around, I WILL take issue with it.

Edit: But if you're referring to yourself then I suppose it's ok.

[HGW XX/7]

I don't expect it to be used like that on these forums anyway, but I can agree with your sentiment now. Having it blocked by a filter though? That'd be too extreme.

What if I wanted to share a Ritz *******?

[Lizzaroni]

Hey, is "******" going to be censored if a black person says it too? "Cracker" I can see objections to censoring because it's nature isn't always derogatory, but whonkey?

Don't get me wrong; I think censoring altogether is stupid, but you're drawing a weird line.

[OAR]

I mean if the word cracker or whitey is used to refer to white people at all, it should be deleted. Even if they're just joking around, I WILL take issue with it.

Edit: But if you're referring to yourself then I suppose it's ok.

Honestly, I'm going to have to point you towards those fat-activists everyone was making fun of earlier in the year. They were making a big deal out of a game. And exactly what your doing right now, is blowing something that hasn't even happened on our forums WAY out of proportion

[Tanooki]

^Yet another double standard. :D This is quite amusing how this got unlocked and exploded into double standard land. It's sad yet comes to a good point on how some attention seekers with their questionable stuff like to get all controversial to cause issues whether it's implied activities in an image to tossing out so-called off limits words only those of the same race can use as it's all bs. It's either right or it's wrong, none of this 'its my lifestyle or 'its my choice' or 'its my word not yours.' It's all crap.

[HGW XX/7]

Hey, is "******" going to be censored if a black person says it too? "Cracker" I can see objections to censoring because it's nature isn't always derogatory, but whonkey?

Don't get me wrong; I think censoring altogether is stupid, but you're drawing a weird line.

I have no problem with censoring a word that's always derogatory. I'm all for making racial terms a case by case basis to rather than a swear filter thing, but a majority of the time there's no reason the use the words other than a derogatory manner. Maybe that'll be something for the mod squad to vote on, as we are fairly diverse?

And that's it. I'm drawing a weird line, but the other mods might see it different. If they were to vote that cracker and whitey could never be used, I'd follow that. That's the system.

I'm also not a fan of censoring words, but let's face it, some people have no self control.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that I'm not the only mod, so I'm not the only say. There are others with differing opinions, so it's a mixed bag. It's why a case by case basis with votes seems best Hopefully people will use the complaint system rather than arguing about double standards. I think you'll find that there isn't any reason to believe that we're going to mod one way and not the other.

[Blinger101]

White people arent a minority, and nor has that word been used to demean and degrade white people.

Vancouver welcomes you with open arms.

[OAR]

If you honestly censor cracker, then you should censor Toilet Butter. It offends me, and because it offends me, one person, and not the entire board, I want it censored




This is against censoring words. I'm being sarcastic

[ReaganYouth]

^Toilet Butter isn't a racial slur.

[Coral]

Wow, I like how derogatory terms are only derogatory if someone is in a minority now. That makes almost as much sense as a sig being offensive if and only if it is the sig of an abrasive member.

Heh. "Abrasive member."

Im not saying it not a derogatory word, Im just saying that most of the times someone would call you whitey it isnt being used as harshly as someone calling you a ******. That said, ****** is used commonly by some people in a non derogatory way. Im black and Ive been called whitey, boo whoo.


The homophobe just never shuts up. Right and Wrong, Good and Evil, Americans and the Rest.

[OAR]

^Toilet Butter isn't a racial slur.

But what I'm trying to get across is that if it did offend me, I could go on a crusade to get it banned totally, just like you are doing with the white slurs.

[HGW XX/7]

But what I'm trying to get across is that if it did offend me, I could go on a crusade to get it banned totally, just like you are doing with the white slurs.

You could, but it'd go to a vote with a mods and if it didn't pass, oh well.

[MR EPIC]

There are going to be lots of "weird lines" drawn because unfortunately we're dealing with a lot of "weird" people. But hey, at least we're consistently active and committed to acting as one mind, which is more than I can say for the BoD. Most of you guys weren't active on the boards (aside from Jeff and JGZ) and IMO weren't properly suited to take care of many situations because you weren't around until things had already erupted. It's not about making hard and fast rules, it's about making guidelines (aren't we mostly adults after all?) and having a team to make judgement calls based on those guidelines. There have been no situations that have even come up since the amended rules were posted, yet I've never seen so much bitching and whining as I'm seeing now, and for no reason at all. If something comes up, by all means let us know, but don't start nitpicking our rules before you even see how well they can work for our specific forums here.

This thread is just about done. Unless Sean objects I'm gonna lock it pretty soon before it becomes total chaos.

OAR - You deserve an award for having the most level head and supportive attitude throughout this thread. Cheers to you my friend.

[ReaganYouth]

But what I'm trying to get across is that if it did offend me, I could go on a crusade to get it banned totally, just like you are doing with the white slurs.

No, you don't get it. Cracker is a racial slur on par with ******, ****, *****, mick, etc etc. If those terms get censored, banned, or whatever, than so should cracker and any other white slur.

Toilet Butter on the other hand is just some stupid term for feces I came up with when I was drunk.

See the difference?