Old school vs new school

[ReaganYouth]

Not exactly a poll, but a list of multi-choice questions.

1. Old school punk or new school (a.k.a. mostly poseur) punk?

2. Old school metal or nu-metal?

3. Old school rap or new school (mostly materialistic) rap?

4. Old school gaming or new school gaming?

My answers:

1. I like Rancid, AFI (if they even count) and a few of the PunkCore bands, but not much else. Old school all the way.

2. Definitely old school. Though there are a lot of newer bands (Tool, older SOAD) that are really good.

3. I hate both, but I hate new school more. I just added this question so it would be more balanced. Well ok, I don't necessarily hate old rap, it just "ain't mah thang, dawg".

4. I'm mixed, because 16/32/64 bit eras were my fave.

[OAR]

1. New school. Vampire Weekend is new school, and they're my current favorite band

2. Old School. The Nu-Metal is Metal-Lite, and has no soul, no matter how black the souls of the Oldies were

3. New - I like the beat to the new ones, as I use them to work out to

4. New - Better stories, better graphics when it pertains to certain genres, and better gameplay WHEN IT PERTAINS TO CERTAIN GENRES

[thegamecubist]

1. I don't listen to that much punk (most of it is the really old hoary (relatively) mainstream **** like The Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Blag Flag, Bad Religion, NOFX, Fugazi, etc.), but the old stuff is fine. Modern "punk" (or at least the stuff I listen to), which is seemingly more "punk-inspired music" like AFI, Thursday, Green Day, MCR (well more horror punk/emo...), etc. is more up my alley though. I can't really say why...old punk is energetic, but perhaps too much so?

2. New school. It was my first genre of music I actually got into, so I have a soft spot for it. Old metal is still great though :)

3. Old school. There's a reason the first half of the 90's was considered the "golden days of rap"; while new rap has much better production values, it's just so soft. I like my rap angry, venomous, and most importantly, relevant. I don't give a damn about what you drive or what **** you're wearing; listening about violence, police prejudice, or on the other end, hopes and dreams (2Pac's latter albums come to mind) is just better music.

4. Depends. I like gaming, isn't that enough? Although I do have a soft spot for my N64, as that was when I actually started getting into gaming (reviews, websites, discussions...and rabid, rabid fanboyism :D). Genesis is good too; I sometimes wonder how the hell Sonic 2 is still so amazing. But I love my 360, PS2 and GCN. Those three systems give me (yes, even the GameCube) some great fun.

[Lizzaroni]

Why is new school punk "poser"? I've never understood the sentiment, because music isn't static; it evolves. I can understand a different label, but it doesn't make sense to accuse it of masquerading as punk unless Miley Cyrus has started running around calling herself a punk star. This is a general question directed at everyone.

[ReaganYouth]

I said mostly poseur. I'm saying what many people these days like to classify as punk (Fall Out Boy, Blink 182, etc.) has almost nothing in common with punk's roots. A punk band used to be a bunch of outcasts expressing feelings of anger and alienation, and now it's mostly surf jocks spiking their hair singing about their girlfriends while looking cute. See the difference?

Not saying old school fans aren't dickheads about it (because some definitely are) when they slam new school "punk". But to an extent, they're kinda right. Not all of the newer bands are poseurs (hell, not even most of them really), but still.

[Tanooki]

1. Old school punk or new school (a.k.a. mostly poseur) punk?
-> Neither, just sucks

2. Old school metal or nu-metal?
-> Old, old school metal/rock is some good stuff, modern metal or that new metal stuff that's like some post grunge bs where much is unintelligible screaming crap...no.

3. Old school rap or new school (mostly materialistic) rap?
-> Old big time, the really old stuff of the 80s and even the rooted stuff in the 70s too whether it's the stuff of Run DMC, Will Smith in his day, and some other. Modern, awful...random hate speak into a mic with a crappy basic beat about f white, f the police, b1tches and hos, drugs, etc like it's all good...it's not.

4. Old school gaming or new school gaming?
-> Tough call, mixed I guess. Much of the old stuff had some stinkers too, but a lot of genres started there, and some for better or worse kind of died there too because they just didn't cut it as well in 3D so they're relegated to downloads and handhelds. New, even more of it is crap, but there are enough goodies and 2D->3D successful converts to keep one happy...and some 2D to this era stuff just works better (driving, flight for two.)

[Smokey]

1. Umm, I dunno. I'm not a big punk fan by any stretch of the imagination. I have a bit of a morbid appreciation for MCR, almost a guilty pleasure, so I guess I would go with new?

2. Both pale in comparison to power metal. Period. Grunge, however, is terrible.

3. Old school, no doubt. Two words: Public Enemy.

4. I suppose new school. I played some of the early stuff, but I really enjoyed gaming from the GCN/PS2 era on. I guess I'm with OAR on this one.

Here's an old vs new question for ya.

Old British heavy metal (Black Sabbath) or New Wave British Heavy Metal (Iron Maiden & Judas Priest)?

I personally favor NWBHM. Iron Maiden and Judas Priest have some of the greatest guitar talent I've ever seen, and Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford still rock hard today.

[ReaganYouth]

MCR is emo. And grunge ain't metal. Bish.

[Rorshach]

1. New. I dislike punk for the most part, but older punk just doesn't appeal at all to me.

2. New metal. Old metal all sounded pretty similar to me.

3. Old hip-hop. New "hip-hop" doesn't know where it came from. Kanye West and Nujabes are pretty much the only rappers I listen to nowadays. Kanye knows where hip-hop came from.

4. New. Old school games are fun, but for the most part overrated due to nostalgia.

[Smokey]

MCR is emo. And grunge ain't metal. Bish.

There is such a thing as grunge metal, just like there is grunge rock. It's just that both of them suck pretty much equally. And I've never heard of an "emo" genre, so I've just swept MCR in with the punk label.

[ReaganYouth]

Emo, in the modern context, are bands consisting of spoiled rich kids who cut themselves, wear mascara, and write "deep" poetry about how their lives as suburban teenage brats suck. Musically, they sound like an unholy mix of Blink 182 and Dag Nasty (sometimes with goth imagery), usually with horribly high pitched vocals and pretentious lyrics.

[MR EPIC]

I don't listen to punk nor metal on a consistent basis so I'll just answer questions 3 and 4.

3. Old School Rap easily. From the early 80s to the mid 90s there was actually quite a bit of talent and skill involved and not everybody talked about how much bling they had. For the most part today's rap is trash, but even in a heap of trash you can find something valuable once in a great while.

4. Old-School gaming. I'm not going to make the argument of which one is better, because admittedly there are some pretty damn impressive games out these days, but I'm going with old-school simply because we were young, games were new, the industry was a lot less main-stream.

[thegamecubist]

Why is new school punk "poser"? I've never understood the sentiment, because music isn't static; it evolves. I can understand a different label, but it doesn't make sense to accuse it of masquerading as punk unless Miley Cyrus has started running around calling herself a punk star. This is a general question directed at everyone.

It's true that music isn't static, but from my perspective, the idea of "genre" is. New punk has, effectively, evolved itself out of standard punk conventions in to some amalgamation of grunge, metal and punk.

Genre shouldn't be static, but the stalwarts of a genre hold it back. It's why there is so much discussion on modern day punk...it has punk tendencies but it isn't by the book traditional punk. So then a new label was made, which pretty much defined music by how the musicians looked as opposed to the actual music :(

[HGW XX/7]

1. New School punk kicks the face of old school.
2. Doesn't matter, 'cause both are filled with crap and greatness.
3. Old School rap is better, though there's some newer stuff that's tops.
4. Doesn't matter, 'cause both are filled with crap and greatness.

[DEATHSTAR]

Old school rap, FYI rap was always pretty much materialistic braggadocio that's the one thing that the new school has managed to keep in tact. If you think bitches and hos is something new to rap, you've only been exposed to the commercial fare. The real difference between old school and new school rap is actually the hook and record deals. Old school rap rarely had either, and most of the artists that many of you would cite as old school were some of the most commercial acts of the era that paved the way for the hook laden "trash" that you loath currently.

As far as gaming, I like new stuff that has some roots in tact from the old stuff. As much fun as I had with my old era games there's not an overwhelming amount that I'd give the nod today. Good for nostalgia but I favor progress in technology more.

[MR EPIC]

I don't want to derail the thread or anything, but I'm always compelled to respond when somebody takes issue with my old-school rap knowledge. There are very few people on this planet that know as much about old school rap music as myself (I'm being very serious). There was nothing commercial about the NY artists that I listed to during the periods that I listened to them, nor did they talk anything about material items and bling, at least not in a serous sense. Rappers like Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions, and Erik B & Rakim were all about droppin' knowledge, exhibiting their skills as lyricists, and many times spoke out about pro-black issues. If there were more interest in this topic I'd care to make a thread about it, but as it stands I'll just leave my thoughts as they are.

[ReaganYouth]

I don't care for rap, especially the "anti-white boi" kind. But when a rapper does it right, it can be some very powerful stuff.

[Rorshach]

^^DJ, did you know that hip-hop was partially a result of the New York power outage that happened in the '80s? During the outage, some kids stole DJ equipment and then mad some beats and created hip-hop.

Or so I've heard. That could just be straight up wrong.

[DEATHSTAR]

I don't want to derail the thread or anything, but I'm always compelled to respond when somebody takes issue with my old-school rap knowledge. There are very few people on this planet that know as much about old school rap music as myself (I'm being very serious). There was nothing commercial about the NY artists that I listed to during the periods that I listened to them, nor did they talk anything about material items and bling, at least not in a serous sense. Rappers like Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions, and Erik B & Rakim were all about droppin' knowledge, exhibiting their skills as lyricists, and many times spoke out about pro-black issues. If there were more interest in this topic I'd care to make a thread about it, but as it stands I'll just leave my thoughts as they are.

Yeah, cause in the early stages of rap benzes, gold chains, clockin' dollars and sexin' skezzers was never mentioned :confused:

We're around the same age and we surely were exposed to the same artists, but many people would like to pretend that the "golden age" of rap was some how vastly different to what we have now. Commercialism, materialism and "pro-blackness" is just as much a part of rap now as it was then. The biggest difference is rap now gets the lion share of radio time in most markets so the general public is more exposed to what's selling.

But I digress and will follow suit by not further derailing the thread, this debate is probably best between you and me in another venue. :)

[ReaganYouth]

Old skool everything FTFW.

[Kinslayer]

1. Old school punk or new school (a.k.a. mostly poseur) Old school. Punk is dead.

2. Old school metal or nu-metal? Old school. Nu-metal is akin to modern "punk". See: emo.

Now, as for new metal (not nu-metal), there are some kickass bands, especially in the melodic death metal genre and variations thereof. See: Arch Enemy, Gojira, Children of Bodom.

3. Old school rap or new school (mostly materialistic) Rap sucks.

4. Old school gaming or new school gaming? Old school. I'll take 2D substance over 3D flashiness any day.

[Smokey]

Well, I'm glad we have such an insightful individual among us.

[ReaganYouth]

^stfu

[Smokey]

Glad you caught on.