PCD or DK?

[MAX]

Which do you prefer?

Danity Kane
http://fashionfeen.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/danity-kane-portraet-2498.jpg


Pussycat Dolls
http://www.tvscoop.tv/PussycatDolls.jpg

[Smokey]

Isn't it obvious? The more the merrier, right?:D

[MAX]

Gotta vote!

[Smokey]

That's not fair, you switched pictures and made a poll, you bastard.:P

[MAX]

Smokey favors the Trannycats, yay!

[Smokey]

DK is just Diddy's or whatever the hell he calls himself now bastardized version of PCD.

[MAX]

You're damaged.

[Smokey]

Your mom's damaged.

[MAX]

http://www.dlisted.com/files/spaghetticathotslut1_0.jpg

[Smokey]

I'm guessing that's supposed to be a gif, but all comedic value (well, relating to the damage) is lost, as it's not working.

[MAX]

It's sketti cat.

[Smokey]

Never heard of him.

[Coral]

Girlicious.... fine


The PussyCat Dolls

Carmin left the group(red head)

While Ive listened to their new single a bit Im not sure what to hope for or expect from their new album. Tho I didnt really like Dont cha that much, I thought the rest of the album was superb. =) They did a cover of one of my favourite songs on it. Tainted Love.


Im not sure how DK had such high initial record sales with Welcome to the Dollhouse when they arent even talked about a lot. Maybe theyre popular in America, not so much up here.

[DEATHSTAR]

Both of the groups are popular in America (translation: on MTV) but shouldn't be. I like about 1 sound and 1 girl from each group each so their both disposable and lack the vocal talent of mediocre solo singers. Prime examples of a group created by the marketing department just to move a few units and fade into obscurity after a coupl of albums unless they get caught in a media scandal/sexcapade.

And I got $50 that says Diddy tapped Aubrey, have you ever seen those two interact after that first album dropped. Definitely some hard feelings on her part.

[Lucas]

Hate 'em both, but I hate the Pussycat Dolls more because every time I see them, I'm reminded how ABC used them to ruin NBA on TV.

(Still, I'd hit 'em in a heartbeat).

[ReaganYouth]

I hate both. They're nothing more than soulless marketing tools and an insult to real music.

[Smokey]

Oh, believe me, I could care less whether the Pussycat Dolls could sing or not.;)

[ReaganYouth]

^It's not the fact that they sing. Christina Aguilera (or however you spell it) and Jessica Simpson can sing (supposedly) but that doesn't make them any less of a marketing tool. Most people value them for their image, not their music.

[MoN]

I'd **** all the white ones.

Oh, I hope no one is offended. LOL NOT REALLY

[ReaganYouth]

^I'm offended, and I'm only half white. ;)

[MoN]

Well, at least you know I wouldn't screw you.

[Smokey]

But would you screw ME?:brow:

[Coral]

Um, I dont agree with the marketing tool comment. I dont look at them for their image and I happen to like their music a lot.

[MoN]

But would you screw ME?:brow:You're white, but you're a male. Is that it?

Sounds more like Max's type.

[Smokey]

^Just checking if I needed to be on the lookout for a Florida license plate.

Um, I dont agree with the marketing tool comment. I dont look at them for their image and I happen to like their music a lot.
It depends on what Reagan means by marketing tool. I do see DK as an attempt to exploit what PCD did, but I don't think either group is especially talented in vocal arenas. Like I said, I could care less whether any of them could sing.

[MoN]

You should know I don't have a car anymore!

But anyway, let's be honest: who cares about their music? Fewer people than those concerned in their looks. Don't fool yourselves.

[ReaganYouth]

By marketing tool, I meant the record companies went out and picked up the sexiest girls they could find. They wrote songs for them and if they couldn't sing (they probably couldn't) they used that fancy new technology that makes it sound like they can actually sing. Music without soul, basically.

But if you like it, then screw what everyone else thinks, myself included.

[Coral]

PCD was a burlesque-like dance group that featured dancers and guest singers before Robin Antin, the woman, not company decided to find 6 girls to be in it. Carmine was an original PCD member, but Nicole got lead. And Nicole can sing, as well as Carmine and Melody. The rest dont do enough singing for me to judge.


Danity Kane is made up of 5 girls who won Making the Band 2, and during the show they were slowly eliminated one by one based on their singing, dancing, etc etc.

You dont have to write your own music for it to have a "soul". And not all music needs to have a "soul". A song can be purely made for people to shake thier asses too and thats fine, so long as its a good song to shake your ass to.

And the whole using machines to enhance your voice thing is silly. Any sound whether made by a computer, the human voice, an animal, pots banging, butt cheeks farting can be made a part of music. All genres and types of music are legitimate.

[Smokey]

You should know I don't have a car anymore!

I didn't say it had to be YOUR car.

And the whole using machines to enhance your voice thing is silly. Any sound whether made by a computer, the human voice, an animal, pots banging, butt cheeks farting can be made a part of music. All genres and types of music are legitimate.
Yeah, but there are sounds that can't be considered music, ever. For instance, a stomp noise and a clap noise generated by a computer isn't music, that's a machine making noise. I still hesitate to call what some mainstream hip-hop/rap artists make music. I guess I'm of the school of thought where truly great music is complex, full of depth, and strikes a chord somewhere deep inside of you.

Does this mean that it has to be insane, fingers flying up and down the keyboard/fret/valves? No, but there has to be something of the artist in that piece. No matter how many commands you type into a machine, the result that issues forth from the speaker cannot compare to a man-made melody by itself. It must be played in tandem with guitars or keyboards or trumpet or another manner of instrument played by a person.

Now, is there a place for music that you can just get down and move with? Yes, of course there is. I do not believe, however, that club music can even remotely compare to the works of Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, and Schubert, or even to modern day work of similar caliber.

[Coral]

Not to be mean but theres nothing really to disagree about as far as stomps or claps. They are sounds that are a part of a song which is music. Period. If you dont like them thats fine, if you only want to listen to music that makes you "think" thats fine too. But that doesnt make a song that makes someone want to dance not music. Its also okay to like classical music more than modern day music, but thats because you value what that music represents to you more.

Something few people can do is appreciate all genres and forms of music even if they dont like them, while enjoying their own. What pisses me off the most is this so called "underground" crowd that feel that their music is deep, and because they wrong the lyrics their songs are better.

[Smokey]

Not to be mean but theres nothing really to disagree about as far as stomps or claps. They are sounds that are a part of a song which is music. Period. If you dont like them thats fine, if you only want to listen to music that makes you "think" thats fine too.

I agree that they can be used to make music, but they aren't music in and of themselves, which some mainstream rap artists don't seem to understand.

But that doesnt make a song that makes someone want to dance not music. Its also okay to like classical music more than modern day music, but thats because you value what that music represents to you more.

This doesn't mean, though, that dance music can be held on the same level as any of the classics. One embodies the grace and courtliness of the Renaissance/post-Renaissance eras, the other is the epitome of a base side of human nature (not bad, necessarily, but undeniably base).

Something few people can do is appreciate all genres and forms of music even if they dont like them, while enjoying their own. What pisses me off the most is this so called "underground" crowd that feel that their music is deep, and because they wrong the lyrics their songs are better.

I can appreciate things about pretty much any genre, but I believe that some things that people call music aren't music. Clapping one's hands or stomping one's feet is not music. Speaking to a beat is not music. These can be used to make music, but they are not in and of themselves music.

BTW, I am a musician. I have played classical music, jazz music, hip-hop, rock, and much more on various instruments. As such, I believe my opinion on this carries a bit of weight. Whether it carries more than yours remains to be determined, but do keep this fact in mind, please.

[Coral]

I agree that they can be used to make music, but they aren't music in and of themselves, which some mainstream rap artists don't seem to understand.
If that is the case then neither is one note from a guitar, or piano. And it isnt the case.



This doesn't mean, though, that dance music can be held on the same level as any of the classics. One embodies the grace and courtliness of the Renaissance/post-Renaissance eras, the other is the epitome of a base side of human nature (not bad, necessarily, but undeniably base).
Thats 100% opinion. Its okay to personally like certain music more than others, but no form is better than another because one is graceful, and the other is to the point.



I can appreciate things about pretty much any genre, but I believe that some things that people call music aren't music. Clapping one's hands or stomping one's feet is not music. Speaking to a beat is not music. These can be used to make music, but they are not in and of themselves music.

BTW, I am a musician. I have played classical music, jazz music, hip-hop, rock, and much more on various instruments. As such, I believe my opinion on this carries a bit of weight. Whether it carries more than yours remains to be determined, but do keep this fact in mind, please.
You could play every instrument on the planet, but the minute you start placing the genre of music you like on a higher level youre throwing away and credibility people might give you. Having experience in music doesnt give you the right to list genres in order of best to worst.

[Smokey]

If that is the case then neither is one note from a guitar, or piano. And it isnt the case.

No, one note is not music. However, a guitar or a piano is capable of creating more than one note, a melody in fact. Hands and feet can't do that, thus, clapping and stomping by themselves aren't music. Now, the human voice is capable of making as many notes as a guitar or piano (potentially, at least), but when the artist makes use of only one note, e.g. monotone, with very slight variations on it, he is not making music, either.

Thats 100% opinion. Its okay to personally like certain music more than others, but no form is better than another because one is graceful, and the other is to the point.

It's not. Whether you like one more than the other, yes, that's opinion. What I'm talking about, however, is not. Have you played Eternal Sonata? If not, the game makes use of seven or so pieces written and composed by Chopin. There is also a Beethoven piece included in every basic music package for Windows Media Player. Listen to either of those and I dare you to tell me that mainstream rap/hip-hop can be favorably compared to this in terms of depth and complexity.

You could play every instrument on the planet, but the minute you start placing the genre of music you like on a higher level youre throwing away and credibility people might give you. Having experience in music doesnt give you the right to list genres in order of best to worst.

No, I am not. I agree that no one can objectively say that rock is better rap, or jazz is better than country. However, anyone that has played music all of their life like I have would agree that 50 cent does not come close to comparing with Mozart. Even the motives for making music are different. Artists like 50 Cent make music primarily to fulfill a contract and to make money. Artists of Mozart's era and caliber made music to bring their feelings to the eye of the public, to challenge themselves, and to inspire others.

[Coral]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music

Topic Over

[Smokey]

This article or section deals primarily with Europe and does not represent a worldwide view of the subject.
Neither of us live in Europe, so your article is null and void.

[Coral]

Care to explain what the American definition of music is? And what the Canadian one is? While youre at it, grab the Chinese and Indian definitions as well.

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http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x291/coralispink/Avatars/8vnguv.gifDances to the random arrangement of sounds that apparently is not music because smokey says so.

[MR EPIC]

LOL, you guys. I understand where Smokey is coming from a bit. He's obviously a man of instruments and I agree that it takes more talent to learn and play an guitar/drum/etc.. than it does to say push pads or buttons on a drum machine, if I may use that as a fair contrast. Sounds like Smokey has a problem with the more electronic stuff being compared to the actual instrument-based music and I can see why he might take issue with that. However, music can be as simple as rubbing two stones together as long as they are timed in a rhythmic pattern. Whether or not that is as good as somebody playing a flute or a bass guitar is of course subjective and something that gets debated all the time. But in the end why should it matter? People are going to perceive or consider to be music what they will and aside from maybe being irritated at that fact there's no point in chasing someone down and telling them what they're listening to is not music. It's not going to make any difference to that person or persons and they will continue to shake their ass to the rhythm regardless.

So, how's this poll goin'?

[DEATHSTAR]

I'd like to add a guitar is no less of a machine than an MPC3000 (both randomly chosen examples). Machine=Tool=Instrument=requires human input to make music.

I called it a tie earlier but if I had to pick one group on percentage of decent looking chicks DK wins.

DK=60% okay looking
PCD=50% okay (plus two of them look like doods)

[Smokey]

LOL, you guys. I understand where Smokey is coming from a bit. He's obviously a man of instruments and I agree that it takes more talent to learn and play an guitar/drum/etc.. than it does to say push pads or buttons on a drum machine, if I may use that as a fair contrast. Sounds like Smokey has a problem with the more electronic stuff being compared to the actual instrument-based music and I can see why he might take issue with that. However, music can be as simple as rubbing two stones together as long as they are timed in a rhythmic pattern. Whether or not that is as good as somebody playing a flute or a bass guitar is of course subjective and something that gets debated all the time. But in the end why should it matter? People are going to perceive or consider to be music what they will and aside from maybe being irritated at that fact there's no point in chasing someone down and telling them what they're listening to is not music. It's not going to make any difference to that person or persons and they will continue to shake their ass to the rhythm regardless.

So, how's this poll goin'?

I agree that something as simple as beating rocks together can be used to make music. I still don't think that that by itself is music. One "instrument", be it hands, feet, rocks, etc., that can only make one noise cannot make music by itself. It requires more items making noise of a different sort. Instruments like guitars and pianos by themselves can make music, because a guitar has several strings that can be used to make multiple noises, and a piano has even more strings to make said noises. That is why a person playing guitar by himself can make music whereas a person simply clapping his hands by himself cannot.

Concerning the poll, I agree that the pics up now seem to be more in favor of DK, but Max switched pics on us early on. The original pic was far more appealing, as are the videos I've seen, which amount to two.