Sandwich vs. Burger

[Wii Will Rock U]

Is a hamburger (or cheeseburger) a sub-genre of sandwich, or a distinct foodstuff independent of the sandwich? (And, in that case, doesn't the meat essentially make the burger?)

And, which is better?

[ReaganYouth]

It's a sandwich. And it depends on the sandwich.

[MR EPIC]

What Reagan said, word for word.

[Rensa]

No. Sandwiches and burgers are related, but the burger isn't a type of sandwich. The sandwich and the burger, in fact, share a common ancestor, a common virtual parent. It's all in my new book, On the Origin of the Snack. Out August 29th on Amazon.

[MR EPIC]

Wikipedia says a burger is a sandwich.

[Monkeylord]

Wikipedia is wrong - anyone can edit it to spread this minor-meal misinformation.

[nricklee]

Well, i would love to go with sandwich.


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[ReaganYouth]

Are hamburgers German food?

[thegamecubist]

No. Sandwiches and burgers are related, but the burger isn't a type of sandwich. The sandwich and the burger, in fact, share a common ancestor, a common virtual parent. It's all in my new book, On the Origin of the Snack. Out August 29th on Amazon.

I won't lie, I hovered over the underlined text expecting a link.

Damn you, Rensa! :D

[HGW XX/7]

Are hamburgers German food?

Yes, named from Hamburg. Same goes for Frankfurters and Frankfurt.

However, the original German hamburger is said to be open faced with NO top bun. Thus making it not of the sandwich family. Enclosing it with a top bun doesn't make it any more of a sandwich as dressing in drag makes a man a woman.

He's still a man, he just looks like a woman.

The Hamburger is a burger. It just looks like a sandwich.

Edit: It should also be noted that Wienerschnitzel has nothing to do with hot dogs our sausages. Unless you're referring to the fast food restaurant. Which has a bastardized name.

[germ011]

Are hamburgers German food?

not the hamburgers you eat in america. when i went on vacation to germany, the burgers were a little different. as sean said, it has no bun. and they put some kind of weird marinade sauce on it.

[Monkeylord]

Yes, named from Hamburg. Same goes for Frankfurters and Frankfurt.

However, the original German hamburger is said to be open faced with NO top bun. Thus making it not of the sandwich family. Enclosing it with a top bun doesn't make it any more of a sandwich as dressing in drag makes a man a woman.

He's still a man, he just looks like a woman.

The Hamburger is a burger. It just looks like a sandwich.

QFT

It's just an Americanism

[HGW XX/7]

QFT

It's just an Americanism

And it took an American to point it out to all the nonbelievers in the thread. :D

[Rensa]

I noticed while travelling that Americans suffer under the delusion that anything stuck between two instances of anything else can be deemed a sandwich. Hence, foods that deserve to be celebrated in their own right, like burgers and subs, end up falling under an imprecise catch-all term like sandwich. Terrible!

If you want to play the Wiki game, though:
A sandwich is a food item made of two or more slices of leavened bread with one or more layers of filling, typically meat or cheese, with the addition of vegetables or salad.
The burger bun is not an example of leavened bread; hence, the burger is not a sandwich :)

The burger article's written from an American perspective; the sandwich one from a British one.

[HGW XX/7]

I noticed while travelling that Americans suffer under the delusion that anything stuck between two instances of anything else can be deemed a sandwich. Hence, foods that deserve to be celebrated in their own right, like burgers and subs, end up falling under an imprecise catch-all term like sandwich. Terrible!


American logic would dictate that anything stuck between two things is sandwiched between them. Thus a sandwich, so I don't fault my fellow Americans, even if they are painfully wrong.

[Rensa]

I was thinking about that. My theory is that the verbal form evolved from American use of the nominal, not the other way 'round. I can't prove it... but I don't need to, provided nobody can disprove it :P

[MikeWolfskin]

Thumbs down no one here has even considered what ground beef in two slices of normal breed taste like; it's not the same wonderful flavor that defines the hamburger. Believe me people the breed style shape, texture, taste and what’s placed on one is what defines that it’s not just a sandwich. For example a Cheese Burger isn’t a sandwich made of Cheese with in two slices of normal breed. If a Hamburger is a sandwich then a Cheeseburger is a sandwich made of Cheese with in two slices of normal breed. Where as a Hamburger most be a sandwich made pure pork ham with in two slices of normal breed. I hope you all get my point here, a Hamburger is not just a sandwich. It's an evolved part of American Cuisine!

[ReaganYouth]

^They don't use pork in hamburgers. They use beef.

[Monkeylord]

There is no ham in a hamburger. The name is from the region where it was created (Hamburg, germany), not the ingredients :)

[MikeWolfskin]

I now that you two I was making a point that ham is not in the hamburger so why does two slices breed defined what it is when the name doesn't clearly! God do I have to say when I'm making a compensation every time? I live California the hamburger is like god to us here!

[Monkeylord]

So are you arguing that it's a sandwich or not? I'm really confused!?!

[MikeWolfskin]

So are you arguing that it's a sandwich or not? I'm really confused!?!

I'm arguing it's beyond a normal everyday sandwich.:thumbs up: So no I don't think it's just a sandwich.

[ReaganYouth]

Hamburgers, as we know them, are American. I looked it up and the German hamburger is actually called Hamburg Steak, which is salisbury steak to Americans.

[DEATHSTAR]

Being from the midwest (Chicago), I've heard this recount of the "american hamburger" more than a couple of times and am inclined to believe there's some thread of truth to it.

I'm going to post the wiki link cause I'm lazy but it pretty much sums up the celebrated Wisconsin legend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Nagreen
http://www.homeofthehamburger.org/charlie.html
http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080810/APC0101/808100612/1003/APC01

Charles "Hamburger Charlie" Nagreen (1870-1951) was an American claimant to the title of inventor of the hamburger.
Born in Hortonville, Wisconsin, at 15 Nagreen was a vendor at the 1885 Seymour Fair. After not experiencing success selling meatballs, he had an idea. Knowing that the visitors to the fair would be hungry after gazing at the exhibits but wouldn't be able to walk and eat, he smashed a meatball and placed it between two slices of bread.

His idea was a success and he returned every year until his death in 1951.
The name of the Hamburger came from the idea of "Hamburg steak", or ground beef. Since this was a popular item in Seymour at the time of the 1885 fair, Nagreen decided to call the sandwich the "Hamburger".

Because of this account I've always believed that the "American Hamburger" (or Hamburger Sandwich as it has been referred to) and the German version were mostly unrelated buy shared an odd naming similarity.

[HGW XX/7]

Because of this account I've always believed that the "American Hamburger" (or Hamburger Sandwich as it has been referred to) and the German version were mostly unrelated buy shared an odd naming similarity.

Well, why do you think it's called Hamburg Steak?

And simply referred to in Germany as Hamburger.

He took the German idea and dressed it up a little differently. That is, if the story is 100% true. It's still nothing more than a drag queen of of a burger parading as a sandwich.

This would back up the theory that a burger can only be ground beef (something that I agree with 100%).

[Smokey]

A burger is a whole different kind of animal. End of story.

Sidenote: Who's had a steakburger? That's the ****, right there.

[DEATHSTAR]

Well, why do you think it's called Hamburg Steak?

And simply referred to in Germany as Hamburger.

He took the German idea and dressed it up a little differently. That is, if the story is 100% true. It's still nothing more than a drag queen of of a burger parading as a sandwich.

This would back up the theory that a burger can only be ground beef (something that I agree with 100%).

I don't disagree in fact I'm sure he was exposed to its origins since there apparently was a rather large german portion of the town he lived in in Wisconsin.

I think we can clearly say that the Hamburger is not a sandwhich in it's origin format from Germany but if this guy from Wisconsin was the first guy to "americanize" it then the account that I linked to could lend that version to the "sandwhich" family.

[MAX]

I'm not going to read this thread, but isn't a burger a type of sandwich?

[HGW XX/7]

I'm not going to read this thread, but isn't a burger a type of sandwich?

That would be what this thread is all about.

[Rensa]

I'm not going to read this thread, but isn't a burger a type of sandwich?
No, you fool!

[MAX]

That would be what this thread is all about.

Isn't that the same thing as Tween vs Teen?

[Rensa]

^ Exactly the same - except that this matters.

[Lizzaroni]

We call it a chicken sandwich, but we do not call it a hamburger sandwich. There you go.

[MAX]

I call it a burger sandwich, so THERE

[Z.E.I.D.A.N]

I always considered a burger to be a type of sandwich coz they both consist of two pieces of bread with meat in the middle, but I wouldn't call it a 'burger sandwich' :P

[MAX]

I really want to make a dirty joke about two pieces of bread with meat in the middle...

[Z.E.I.D.A.N]

You should go for it.

[Smokey]

I really want to make a dirty joke about two pieces of bread with meat in the middle...

You would.

[MAX]

Are you sure jason? It involves your 'meat' for the 'sandwich'.

[Smokey]

He's sure.

[HGW XX/7]

Try to at least relate it to the burger v. sandwich discussion if you do go through with it.

And maybe keep it kinda clean.

[Smokey]

And the fun in that would be where, exactly?:P

[Rensa]

We call it a chicken sandwich, but we do not call it a hamburger sandwich. There you go.
The rest of us call it a chicken burger.

[HGW XX/7]

And the fun in that would be where, exactly?:P

I said KINDA clean. As in. Tasteful or witty.

[DEATHSTAR]

The rest of us call it a chicken burger.

In my hood it's a chicken samich!

[Smokey]

I said KINDA clean. As in. Tasteful or witty.

Good point.

[MAX]

wrong thread...

[Smokey]

What the ****? How did I do that? Post edited.