Nintendo fans losing faith

[Sean-AMN]

http://www.gcadvanced.com/article.php?artid=1607&pg=1&comments=full

[johnnyb853]

i personally have not lost faith in nintendo at all. things change people change and hopefully we will be better for it. sk will be missed but they are still their

[Miggy-AMN]

Nope. I haven't lost faith. They're a business, and they need to use their resources in good things. Unfortunately -- because I love SK -- they just weren't one of them. :(

[Spirit Icana]

I have and will always have faith in Nintendo as long as they continue to make good and very well functional products. Nintendo has seen much heavier downs before(Virtual Boy) and has always managed to pull their way through. I understand the impact of losing the exclusivity to SK and losing full support from Factor 5. But every company has a right to look up for themselves, and if they feel they are dimenishing by supporting the Gamecube or just feel better in Sony's quite cozy campus then let it be. But understand that the future is still open to anything and that Nintendo has always tried their best to deliver the best interactive experience they can.

[XboxEvolved]

I lost faith in Nintendo the business a year or so ago, I might like their games, but Nintendo as a business is dumber then a box of rocks.

I mean this whole SK thing...a few months ago I thought that somehting like this would eventually happen with SK--and I am sure many of you thought the exact same thing, because lets face it Nintendo can't hold companies like SK, it happened with Rare, now SK. When I read the news I wasn't surprised one bit--in fact I was only surprised at how early it happened, I was thinking something like this would happen a year or two down the road, and when this happens with Retro Studios, I'm not going to be surprised about that either.

[Spirit Icana]

Retro Studios is now a Nintendo first party developer so get your hopes up XboxEvolved. And SK isn't quite out the picture yet either. Remember... 3rd party developers can develop for the hardware of their choice. If Capcom can bring us Resident Evil in all it's glory(I'm assuming it's going to be great), then I'm sure SK can do the same for us sometime down the road.

[johnnyb853]

does PS2 even have second party support companies or first party companies :confused:

[koten]

I beleive Nintendo has 30 percent of the shares in SK... so therefore SK has to make games for GC... basically think of how Square and Sony work, Sony has enough shares in the company to make them make games for the PS2, the only reason Square can make games for other consoles exclusively is cause of Q-Fund, a company owned 50 50 by Square and Nintendo. So, to put it simply, unless SK made a Development house owned 50 percent by Sony or someone ALL their games HAVE to go to a nintendo console

[Spirit Icana]

Yes, Sony does indeed have 1st and 2nd party developers beneath their belt. Such companies include Naughty Dog and Sony's in house development team. There's a lot more, but I don't want to go deep into it.

[Just Gabriel]

Originally posted by Spirit Icana
Yes, Sony does indeed have 1st and 2nd party developers beneath their belt. Such companies include Naughty Dog and Sony's in house development team. There's a lot more, but I don't want to go deep into it.

AH! Naughty Dog was once a Sony second party, but they dropped them much in the same say Nintendo Dropped Rare--They just weren't doing anything for them anymore, as Crash most definately lost the "mascot wars".

However, I beleive Sony and Square-Enix once had a second party agreement of sorts.

[Spirit Icana]

Hmm... does Nintendo really have 30% of the shares in SK? I really don't know too much about stock holders and stuff(It's a little complex to me) but that would be a good question to consider.

[Spirit Icana]

Naughty Dog was dropped? Wow, thanks for the info their Gabriel-GCA. I don't really try to keep up to whats going around with Sony or Microsoft so I just assumed Naughty Dog remained on board Sony's ship.

[Cooolcorey]

Originally posted by koten
I beleive Nintendo has 30 percent of the shares in SK... so therefore SK has to make games for GC... basically think of how Square and Sony work, Sony has enough shares in the company to make them make games for the PS2, the only reason Square can make games for other consoles exclusively is cause of Q-Fund, a company owned 50 50 by Square and Nintendo. So, to put it simply, unless SK made a Development house owned 50 percent by Sony or someone ALL their games HAVE to go to a nintendo console

That's not necessarily the case. It's just not. Remember when Rare was gonna develop on all three platforms (or at least was rumored to) when it was still owned by Nintendo at 49%? I believe what you said only happens if the company has control of 50%+ of the company. I think the reason of the Square-Enix-can't-develop-on-Nintendo situation is because of an agreement between Sony and SE. This is what was going on between Nintendo and SK, but now that agreement is gone. Nintendo may still own 30% of them or not, we don't know for sure, but either way, it doesn't really matter.

[MoN]

Nintendo might benefit from this due to sales numbers, you n00bs. It's not a world of pleasing -- it's a world of business. And in case you forgot (I will assume you have), Nintendo IS a company -- a business. This is best for THEIR spent money -- not yours. If they feel SK has not produced high-selling games (and they have NOT), who are you to say they should "waste" money to keep them? I hope Microsoft gets their games as well AS Nintendo.

[Miggy-AMN]

They will. Because they are now a third-party.

[OutlawAdidas]

Originally posted by MoN
Nintendo might benefit from this due to sales numbers, you n00bs. It's not a world of pleasing -- it's a world of business. And in case you forgot (I will assume you have), Nintendo IS a company -- a business. This is best for THEIR spent money -- not yours. If they feel SK has not produced high-selling games (and they have NOT), who are you to say they should "waste" money to keep them? I hope Microsoft gets their games as well AS Nintendo.




n00bs......Noob Saibot. Noob Saibot wins, fatality.

[coolbgdog]

nintendo better find a way to stop companys from leaving them
first midway,now sk.dats a lot of games cancelled for gamecube.
let me name a few.
sega sports,hitman contracts,burnout 3,rockstar games, midway games,and others.dats about 15 or more games cancelled for the gamecube.gamecube needs online,stop having kiddy game commercials, and publish more teens and fun mature games.not everybody likes eternal darkness.nintendo has their own franchise to help them like mario,samus and link
hopefully retro studios doesnt leave nintendo
next thing nintendo stops making games like sega did
i dont want to play metroid prime 3 on xbox.

[koten]

This doesn't even deserve to be a thread... this whole thing has been discused in other threads too.

[BigBroMario]

also, Nintendo didn't lose sk, they just went 3rd party, they can still make games for them. But all this is being discussed in a similar thread like koten said, this will probably be closed soon.

[XenoFr3ak]

Yeah .. but Im not so worried ... they will surely bounce back to Nintendo soon enuff if their games for other console did not worked out as plan.

[mario]

screw midway and eidos. We don't need crappy companies, and the SK news hasn't been confirmed by nintendo yet.


and if all you care about is mature games, online, and game comerrcials, just go get a ps2 or xbox




nintendo doesn't need mainstream gamers

[prime_timer]

Originally posted by Spirit Icana
Naughty Dog was dropped? Wow, thanks for the info their Gabriel-GCA. I don't really try to keep up to whats going around with Sony or Microsoft so I just assumed Naughty Dog remained on board Sony's ship.

Naughty Dog wasn't dropped! Naughty Dog are making the Jak games, which are PS2 exclusive, and the publisher of the games are Sony Computer Entertainment.

[Just Gabriel]

Originally posted by prime_timer
Naughty Dog wasn't dropped! Naughty Dog are making the Jak games, which are PS2 exclusive, and the publisher of the games are Sony Computer Entertainment.

They aren't second party, that's for sure. Rememer, Sega made Gamecube-Exclusive games, but they were never second party. If Naughty Dog was indeed second party to Sony, then Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex would never have made the cube.

[prime_timer]

because Naughty Dog dropped Crash, like Insomniac Games (Ratchet and Clank) dropped Spyro. theyre both developed and published by Vivendi Universal

[COTTON]

wasn't Naughty dog bought out by Sony? I heard that this happened just recently, a few weeks ago. But maybe I'm wrong.

[Spirit Icana]

I decided to look into this a bit myself COTTON and I believe that Naughty Dog is in fact now a first party developer for Sony. Anyway, we've gotten really carried away in this topic (Including me) on matters that don't concern it's cause so lets try to get back on topic.

[Freak of Kane]

I'm pretty sure ND are first party to Sony like Retro are a Nintendo first party. Rubin sold it to them.

BTW, if you haven't already...check out Jak/2. Awesome games.

[rogue_gamecube]

I'd respond and have a decent arguement if most people posting here, namely GCA employies (don't get me wrong, just coincidence), are professing the end of the console wars by this move between SK and Ninty. Honestly, read between the lines, they are NOT splitting up. I've tried, Outlaw for one knows I've tried, to convince some of you otherwise, but it seems far too many believe in touting the latest in-thing. One last point before I simply tell you all to f**k off and find my other arguements is this: Where's the writing on the paper? Where's the press release? Where's Denis Dyack's artfully-written decision to leave Ninty? All I see is OMG!!1! IGN SAiD n!NtY |057 S!liKni97s!!@!!1!... So far, this is souding exactly like *mumble mumble*...

"what?" you say...

RUMOUR, YOU F**KING CHILDREN!!

...start using brains people, they aren't there for sitting on...

[kellett03]

Originally posted by rogue_gamecube
I'd respond and have a decent arguement if most people posting here, namely GCA employies (don't get me wrong, just coincidence), are professing the end of the console wars by this move between SK and Ninty. Honestly, read between the lines, they are NOT splitting up. I've tried, Outlaw for one knows I've tried, to convince some of you otherwise, but it seems far too many believe in touting the latest in-thing. One last point before I simply tell you all to f**k off and find my other arguements is this: Where's the writing on the paper? Where's the press release? Where's Denis Dyack's artfully-written decision to leave Ninty? All I see is OMG!!1! IGN SAiD n!NtY |057 S!liKni97s!!@!!1!... So far, this is souding exactly like *mumble mumble*...

"what?" you say...

RUMOUR, YOU F**KING CHILDREN!!

...start using brains people, they aren't there for sitting on...


they might still be deciding who keeps the rights to ED, if nintendo are selling the shares or some other things we dont know about.

[OutlawAdidas]

Dude, think about it. 3 3 3 is enough evidence. There is so much there. Plus, Nintendo would have already come out and talked about it. It really hasn't been confirmed.

[Cooolcorey]

Originally posted by OutlawAdidas
Nintendo would have already come out and talked about it. It really hasn't been confirmed.
Well, that doesn't necessarily mean anything since rumors were circulating about Rare for a few weeks before Nintendo/MS announced it.

[bountyhunter]

Yeh, those PR bastards don't do jack**** in any industry.

[OutlawAdidas]

Originally posted by Cooolcorey
Well, that doesn't necessarily mean anything since rumors were circulating about Rare for a few weeks before Nintendo/MS announced it.


Yea, well did a representative from Rare come out and say that they were leaving Nintendo? No. But Dyack did, big difference there. For him to come out and say that, then Nintendo would soon have to follow suit and come out and confirm or add to it. You just can't have a 2nd party developer say, "Hey, we are leaving! LAter" and not have a response from Nintendo themselves. This Developer is crucial the nintendo, and they know it, so why not come out and make everything clear to the world?

[Freak of Kane]

Originally posted by rogue_gamecube
I'd respond and have a decent arguement if most people posting here, namely GCA employies (don't get me wrong, just coincidence), are professing the end of the console wars by this move between SK and Ninty. Honestly, read between the lines, they are NOT splitting up. I've tried, Outlaw for one knows I've tried, to convince some of you otherwise, but it seems far too many believe in touting the latest in-thing. One last point before I simply tell you all to f**k off and find my other arguements is this: Where's the writing on the paper? Where's the press release? Where's Denis Dyack's artfully-written decision to leave Ninty? All I see is OMG!!1! IGN SAiD n!NtY |057 S!liKni97s!!@!!1!... So far, this is souding exactly like *mumble mumble*...

"what?" you say...

RUMOUR, YOU F**KING CHILDREN!!

...start using brains people, they aren't there for sitting on...

No need to get your knickers in a twist. At least mind the language. I thought like you once, but now it's even been debunked by Matt. I don't think he'd go THAT far to keep a secret for SK. But that's just what I think. Just don't be too disappointed when it's officially announced.

I've learned my lesson once already from the Rare sale.

[Sabur]

Bah, i aint loosing faith, nintendo will still make quality games and hardware, and hopefully well get more 3rd part support on the next console if they will go online... personaly i dont care and the online crap..i never use it on any other system....well except Bnet once in a while (blizzard games for those who dont know) but thats about it...

[koten]

Look, SK's leaving is still unconfermed (for the 1jillianth time, PRESS RELEASE!) and Nintendo will survive without them. Nintendo is far too powerful a company to be crippled by the loss of one developer, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT HAS MADE 2 GAMES IN THE LAST 4 YEARS! Don't get me wrong, if SK leaves it will be sad, but nintendo has a vast number of studios to rely on. You people are acting like suddenly Hal, Creatures, Ape, Retro, and Intelligent Sytems all decided to leave. THAT would be a crushing blow, but that's not the case. Nintendo will survive this, no if ands or buts about it.

P.S. Did anyone else here that the founder of Naughty Dog, after selling the company to Sony, is leaving as soon as Jak III is done. It's true, and he said he was anxious to work with Nintendo... *Hint, Hint*

[andre]

I remember hearing that. But yeah, I know it all sounds pretty damn silly to get our nuts in a twist (sorry for the female audience) for ONE developer, but it's ONE developer that's made ONE OF THE BEST GAMES EVER!!! I hope to god it's a hoax. But listen, doesn't it just piss you off a little bit that Too Human, which has been Nintendo exclusive for about 5 years, might not even make it! Tell me, if that were to show up exclusive for xbox next or PS3, that you all wouldn't be the slightest bit pissed off? But yeah, I think that the Naughty Dog founder is going to look for a job at Nintendo this year.

[Cooolcorey]

I dunno about him getting a job at Nintendo (I just haven't heard anything about it), but I did hear that Jak III will be the last one.

[OutlawAdidas]

Hell, I wanna get a job at Nintendo. If he doesn't want it then give it to me

[andre]

lol. but remember, he did say some nice things about Nintendo. So hey, never know? Could help 'em out with a new platformer or help with Mario, take it in a new direction? so yeah. But anyway, No, I was starting to feel a bit shaky in my faith with the Big N, and was seriously thinking about buying a suXBOX, but the urge died down. Silicon Knights leaving is indeed harsh, IF they make exclusive games for the competition. That would just put mace in our face and then slap us with a super hot metal glove. I don't feel too bad about Factor 5, because if they indeed are just focusing on next gen and not abandoning Nintendo, it still gives Nintendo plenty of time to gobble them up. Remember, Julian said that there would be a surprise at E3!

[Spirit Icana]

You know, think about Nintendo's third party relations lately. How many games have Factor 5 and Camelot made exclusive for Nintendo? Quite a lot if remember correctly. So who's to say SK won't follow a similar path. For all we know, Nintendo might still publish their games and distribute them. Don't just give up faith guys for just one announcment that can be interpreted in many different ways( this is assuming the company really left Nintendo as a exclusive second party developer). Support Nintendo as they prepare to reveal a ton of promising titles at E3 this year. We can wait after the show before we begin to question Nintendo's future in the Video Game industry.

[rax2015]

I don't think I've lost faith in Nintendo, I just think they sometimes make stupid decisions. Even if us hardcore gamers don't want a multimedia center in a gaming consoles, the rest of the world does. Listen up Nintendo.

Oh, have any of you actually written to Nintendo about SK?

[Matt]

Nintendo needs to do what gamers want.

[Wh|tE gUy]

There was a time when gamers waited for nintendo to tell them what they want...

[lilxleftee]

Originally posted by Matt
Nintendo needs to do what gamers want.

that's exactly what we hardcore fans don't want.. would you like nintendo to fully go mainstream?

[Xetas]

Nintendo is still making a profit. So everything is fine.

Microsoft is still losing money. So everything is fine.

Sony just sits there growing fatter at the top... but the fatter you are, the easier you are to tip over ;). So everything is fine.

(**^--^**)

[Spartacus]

Dude, that's what I've been trying to tell people. Nintendo is still making a profit. For now, everything is fine.

[OutlawAdidas]

yes, but the question is for how long? Think about this, if nintendo keeps on going the way they are going and continue to lose 3rd party and 2nd party support, then how will they be able to make a profit will hardly anything to profit from. Sure, they Mario and Zelda, and ofcourse Metroid (which has a long life span ahead of her), but how many people are gonna keep on playing a game that will eventually become repetitive. I still have faith in Nintendo, but nintendo needs to show the world that they are Godzilla, and that nothing kills Godzilla!