Nintendo: E3 2004 - DS Logo revealed, N5 mentions and more...

[Freak of Kane]

Decided to make a thread about E3...there's only a little over a month to go till the big event.

Anyway...just come across this article at CNN Money. It seems to reveal the logo for the Nintendo DS - or possibly the temporary logo. Whatever it is, it's definitely by Nintendo:

Click http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/01/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/nintendo_ds2.jpg to check it out.

Personally, I think it's a change from Nintendo's usual hardware identity...in the sense that it looks less conservative.

Here's the article...

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – As Nintendo looks to its future, it's also looking to its past. And it's hoping to find profit in both.

The future is more exciting, of course. In just under six weeks, the company will take the wraps off of its latest gaming machine – currently referred to as the Nintendo DS. Among the revelations it has in store are the release date for the system, the suggested retail price – and the final name.

Though the company has publicly referred to the system as the DS since announcing it on Jan. 20, the plan was never to use that name at retail, according to Reggie Fils-Aime, Nintendo's executive vice president of sales and marketing. (The GameCube, similarly, went under the public codename "Dolphin" until shortly before its launch.)

Internet rumors have suggested that system will be called "Nitro," but the company has not commented on this.

Nintendo will unveil the DS – or Nitro or whatever it's being called – at the Electronic Entertainment Expo (the gaming industry's annual trade show) in May, as well as set the release date and initial price. So far, Nintendo has said the system will launch this fall, but Fils-Aime hedged a bit when I asked him if he could confirm a 2004 release in North America. ("As we're sitting here, that's the plan," was all he would say.)

A North American delay wouldn't be fatal, but it would eliminate Nintendo's headstart against Sony's PSP, which recently delayed its North American launch until early 2005.

The new system will represent a departure for the company, in that the DS/Nitro will likely do much more than play games. A two-hour movie has been successfully tested on the device and wireless gaming and Instant Messaging capabilities are also expected to be included.

Perhaps as part of this departure from its norm, Nintendo is targeting a slightly different audience for the DS/Nitro. Fils-Aime said the company is trying to attract "early adopters who are looking for more complex gameplay and the gamer who has a little more money to spend."

When it was first announced, the DS/Nitro was met with resounding skepticism by gamers. While that has tempered somewhat as details about the machine have leaked out, there's still a sense of wariness. Fils-Aime said he understands the hesitancy.

"The gamer needs to see it, to see the games, to see the full functionality of the machine. ... That's why we're reticent to give details until we can show it," he said. "If I was a gamer and I only saw bits and pieces of a platform, I'd be skeptical too."

Handhelds won't be the only focus of Nintendo at E3. The company also plans to discuss its next generation home console (which will compete with Sony's (SNE: Research, Estimates) PlayStation 3 and Microsoft's (MSFT: Research, Estimates) Xbox 2), said Fils-Aime. It remains unclear whether that discussion will simply be a reiteration that work is progressing and on schedule or if Nintendo will reveal specs for the new machine (which is expected to see a 2006 release).

"Comment on this will come from the highest levels," said Fils-Aime. "The focus and commitment we have on this will be shown at E3."

While talk of future platforms is certain to get the most attention, Nintendo is also flexing the muscle of its deep catalog to keep the bottom line healthy. In addition to offering updates to classic titles for the GameCube ("Paper Mario Story" will be released in October, "Metroid Prime 2" hits streets in November and "Mario Tennis" is due in December), Nintendo has unveiled a "classic" line of titles for Game Boy Advance owners.

Starting next month, the company will release GBA versions of eight of the biggest games for the Nintendo Entertainment System, the company's first home console system, released in 1985. Games like "Excitebike," "Donkey Kong" and "Super Mario Bros." will be released individually for $20.

Twenty dollarsis a hefty price for a 20-year old game, but consumers haven't seemed to care much so far. In Japan, where the classic GBA games were released several months ago, the company sold 900,000 copies in just four weeks.

Fils-Aime said the company is already planning a second wave of classic games for the GBA, with a possible launch date of the 2004 holiday season.

Make no mistake, Nintendo has a lot of catching up to do in this generation of machines and it faces an uphill battle in the coming battles. But in branching out, taking some risks and finding new ways to utilize its game catalog, the company's finally showing some signs that it may have learned from its mistakes.Obtained from http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/01/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

Nice to see a positive article. I'm really interested in what they have to say about the N5 - I'd like to see some sort of spec release or anything they have done through the agreement with ATI.

After the comments about the DS, I'm thinking that this could possibly be a testing ground for Nintendo to enable their handhelds dto do much more thna play games...not neccessarily as deep as what Sony's plans are, but in the interest of games. Or games first and foremost.

You guys are getting Wario Ware GC next week?! I am so freak'n jealous. The release list for this year seems to get better and better. And I won't be hiding my anticipation for MARIO PARTY 6! I never get bored of those games :D

What is everyone most looking forward to? Hardware wise, I think DS and PSP will steal the show - but the game I'm most looking forward to is Metroid Prime 2.

[Messiah]

Dont like it to tell the truth, too simple. But i guess it does symbolise what its about so...

[blablamax]

I dont think it will be the DS logo ... it's look kind of faken. why?
First, the font they used there .. while Nintendo using diffrent fonts to any sub-name for their console ... their name(NINTENDO) stay with their original Nintendo logo font and ellipse around it.
Second, the colors .. Nintendo known for their love for diffrent skins for their handhelds ... this logo include blue and purple colors while Nintendo Handheld's logos are usually one color-white, on the console.

I afraid that the PSP will got most of the light cause of the huge support it got (over 61 companies already started the development!)

My Most wanted for this year? DS,all new Mario for the DS, MP2 and ED2

[Freak of Kane]

I doubt it's fake. CNN did an interview with Nintendo and got the image from them I'm assuming...and I see what you mean about different, but the DS is meant to be different, I so I wouldn't really be surprised to see a shift from the norm for the logo.

ED2? Has that been confirmed already? If it has, WOW! I better complete ED quick. I guess we'll have to see something from Silicon Knights at E3...I mean, MGS:TTS is over and done with.

One thing I noticed about the American GBA release dates...

- Mario vs. Donkey Kong: May 24
- Classic NES Series: June 7
- Hamtaro 4: Rainbow Rescue: July
- Pokemon: Fire Red/Leaf Green: September
- F-Zero 2: September
- Kirby GBA: End of 2004
- Donkey Kong Country 2: End of 2004
- Mario Party: End of 2004
- Mario Pinball: End of 2004
- Mario Tennis: End of 2004
We (Europe) get F-Zero 2 on June 4th and DKC 2 on June 25th, har har! Honestly, GC wise...I couldn't care if most of Nintendo's big hitters don't make it for 2004 here just as long as they manage to squeeze out Metroid Prime 2 by the end of the year. PLEASE! If they don't, as much as I find the Freeloader tedious..I might import.

[blablamax]

Well..there is a rumors about ED2 and SK vice president (...the one who talks too much...) did say something about. I really doubt if there is a sequal on performance ... after all, ED didnt sell well .. even after the great advertising it got.

SK did say, if I dont mistaken,that they will show something on this E3 ..

About the GBA ... Mmmm....I still wait to know when will Sabre Wulf will release state side.

Pokemon will deliver with the wireless adapter in the US too. - Confirmed.

What do you think Sega's 6 new titles are? While they stated that none of them is a new 3D new sonic title, I've heard rumors about Sonic Heroes 2. It wouldn't surprised me if they show it, after the great success of the first one. I hope at least one of those is a DS game. And there is the new "Nights" game (-Rumored too)

[Just Gabriel]

ED2 hasn't been confirmed yet... Dyack jsut said he has an idea of what the game would be like (story-wise) if and when they did indeed make a sequel.

[Freak of Kane]

Oh, ok. ED had a great marketing campaign? What did they do in the US? Cause there's not much to speak about the marketing for this game in Europe. Nickelodeon is as far as they got, I think.

Sega said no new 3D Sonic game? Maybe a 2D one, heh. Doubt it though. I still think they should follow Capcom's lead with VJ and create a Sonic like that for GC. Whatever happened to the talk of SEGA having an exclusive Sonic title in the works which was not HEROES? I remember that being reported in many places a good while back.

[blablamax]

Edited ;) Mmm....Im not from the US .. but from what I saw two years ago, when ED relesed there where lot of posters on magzines(Playboy aswell!) and TV & cinemas commericals.

Do you think EAD next Zelda could be the first Zelda's presqual and will tell the story how Hyrule was flooded by water? ....

[NickTheGamer]

more like a soccer team logo!

[MAX]

I like that idea of the next zelda being a prequal.. I didn't like the fact that it wasn't link we were playing, he was an IMPOSTER!!! AAARRRG!

[blablamax]

LOL !!!

I want Epona!!!!!!!!!!

[Briton-AMN]

dude. LOZ:TWW does tell of how hyrule was flooded with water. Watch the opening scene, it explains all.

[Briton-AMN]

Windwaker was the best zelda, not ocarina, majora, link to the past, windwaker was the bomb.

[Briton-AMN]

Ohhh, look at me, ive triple posted, who gives a rats ***.

[Brian Langlois]

Originally posted by rottwylor
I like that idea of the next zelda being a prequal.. I didn't like the fact that it wasn't link we were playing, he was an IMPOSTER!!! AAARRRG!

He wasn't an imposter, he was just one of the many Links. Most of the Zelda games have had different Links. Zelda I and II have the same one, and then A Link to the Past was a different one (taking place before I and II). Ocarina of Time was supposedly the original one as that story moved back even further in time. Majora's Mask definitely follows Ocarina. I'm not too sure where teh Game Boy titles fit in. Wind Waker was just another era in the saga of Link.

[Robert-AMN]

There was almost no advertising for ED in the US at all. There were some television spots but they only appeared at like 1 or 2 in the morning when the World Cup matches were being shown. I heard of some magazine prints, but there were no movie trailer ads or anything like that. It was a pretty piss poor job by Nintendo in the advertising department for that game.

[Link]

I'm pretty excited about Paper Mario Story, Metroid Prime 2, and Mario Tennis. I'm also intrigued about the DS, hope it doesn't flop. Oh, and the logo: Looks a little too simple for me, doesn't feel like Nintendo.

[thegamecubist]

I feel like such a smart a** right now.

Instant messaging it probably why the DS has a touch screen. To put a fully functional keyboard on a portable system would be ridiculous-look what happen with N-Gage when Nokia put a Key pad on their system. So, you end up with a virtual keyboard to save space.

Of course, my theory is just spectulation, so don't go nuts.

[blablamax]

Originally posted by Robert-GCA
There was almost no advertising for ED in the US at all. There were some television spots but they only appeared at like 1 or 2 in the morning when the World Cup matches were being shown. I heard of some magazine prints, but there were no movie trailer ads or anything like that. It was a pretty piss poor job by Nintendo in the advertising department for that game.

Really? strange .. from what I remember from IGN and other sites..the forums where full from posters which where scan .. probably ..it wasn't that much :( What a shame.

My bad.

[Freak of Kane]

Good idea. The thing about this wireless IM is that unless Nintendo have an online option fo rit...there will have to be a pretty big intake of the DS by consumers before you can find peopole mat most places with a DS to communicate with in the first place.

[Spartacus]

FOK highlighter something very important. "early adopters who are looking for more complex gameplay and the gamer who has a little more money to spend." That is why Nintendo should have no trouble balancing GB, DS and GC/N5. The GB and DS will be in different consumer ranges. Every one will get GB, while a few will get DS.


At least that's what I'm thinking.....anyways...this e3 is going to be one to remember.

[blablamax]

Mmmmm .. I dont sure about it. I think the hipe had rised very high from the first announcement of the DS till today. People hungry for more information about it.

I got a feeling that the DS will sell much better than Ninty expected it to. And about the pricey thing, well ... according to what I've read, the muchine should cost bettwen 100 to 150 $ but It's more likely to be nearer to the SP price. I think 120$ is a great price for the DS.

[Just Gabriel]

well, the thing is, this will be alot more expensive to make than a gameboy
i'm actually thinking more around the price of the psp (maybe a little lower) to be honest.

[blablamax]

I dont believe it will cost 200$ .. it's too much for a handheld,and especially for a new handheld which Nintendo want to use in condition to open a new sub-hendhald-gaming market.

Of course it will be expensive to make than the GB - two screens, two processor, two of everything ;) but I think Nintendo need to make a good price .. that can compeat the PSP price and that will atract gamers.

[Eph_Yu]

DS is still a mystery, but the hype is there. Big N should try to hype it some more on E3 with games and functionality. As for N5, they should not be too secretive like what they did with GCN that backfired in the end.
Online should also be a major issue that they should focus on. What ever happend to the gamespy deal? If they want free online play they should implement it in their own games so other publishers would follow like chunsoft's homeland title.

[Freak of Kane]

Chunsoft's Homleland "online" play is really good. no server costs and it's being done "officially" if you know what I mean.

I think the DS will make it out under $/£200 - just how much, not sure but I'm hoping it doesn't go too far from 150.

I hope we see a Yoshi game at E3 for GBA or GC. Heck, even DS! I'd kill for a Yoshi's Story remake on GBA. Nintendo demoed it to developers when demonstrating the power of the GBA...why don't they make it into a game, damnit?!

[Link]

Because Yoshi's Story was a horrible and short game.

[Messiah]

^H has a point there, maybe they should just make a whole new game about yoshi, and at the end once you get all 120 stars you hope into a cannon and get blown onto the top of the castle where you meet mario who gives you the pointless ability to keep spinning in the air when you preform a triple jump........um sorry about that

[Shoxx]

Originally posted by blablamax
About the GBA ... Mmmm....I still wait to know when will Sabre Wulf will release state side.

Actually, GamePro just reviewed Sabre Wulf, and they gave it a 4.0/5. It's releasing in May.

[Freak of Kane]

I still like Yoshi's Story :(

Anyone think anything will come of the Final Fantasy on GC rumors? I'm thinking there is some sort of game in the works.

Also, although it was discussed a lot last year before E3...I think there may be a GameCube SP - may not be called that, but you know what I mean. Nintendo's price cut helped out a lot, and a good way to keep interest retail wise of the GC is to maybe release an updated version. The might be able to reduce production costs too. Also, some media outlets discussed this before - from a totally hypothetical standpoint. Then again, Nintendo are already cutting costs by removing some port or other from the back of the GC already, aren't they?

[MadSkill]

That's what I thought.... the logo looks fake.

[Matt]

Either it is fake or temporary.

[koten]

complete BS for the logo, cause nintendo just said it is getting a new name (a new tentative name). The logo was probably made by someone who just got photoshop or something, cause it really is very boring and impossible to remember

[COTTON]

Maybe it was just someone from Nin. or CNN making a mock logo just to display for now. Because after all, the name DS is only temporary, so without a doubt, that logo will change when the name does.

[Kirbimirsha]

Nope definately not the ds logo, wateva the damn thing is called..6 weeks couldn t go much slower rite now, i think nintendo will have many BIG surprises for us a t E3...

Giv somethin which ll crush sony n crosoft (who have quiet big, excitin plans aswell i might say unfortunately...).
PLEAZ BE THERE LINK !!!!!!!!

[Messiah]

Originally posted by koten
The logo was probably made by someone who just got photoshop or something, cause it really is very boring and impossible to remember

Obviously someone with very little skill because its beyond basic http://pages.sbcglobal.net/stgfo/_images/giggle.gif

[Miggy-AMN]

It can't be real. They already said they would announce the "real" name at E3.

[Freak of Kane]

It has been confirmed by Nintendo to be a "placeholder" logo until the retail name is announced at E3.

[rogue_gamecube]

Done and done. Fake logo, and we are once again left with nothing but speculation and rumours from the bum who lives in the alleyway by the 7-11. Maybe they'll call the DS The Nintendo Double Screen? ;)

[Shoxx]

Or maybe the Nintendo Nitro, as previously rumored. But that would just suck.

[Messiah]

Yep sounds too try hardish. Maybe we should have a competition to see who can come up with the best name...."crap idea Messiah"....who said that? anyway

Nintendo: Duality, pretty crap hey

[Freak of Kane]

OMG, would people get over this fake logo crap already? Nintendo gave this to CNN Money. According to some major sites, ie. Film Force (part of IGN), they contacted Nintendo and Nintendo themselves said it was only a placeholder logo for a placeholder name.

Whatever it turns out to be, I hope it isn't Nitro.

[FirebatMIV]

On the topic of a new Square Game:

I think it would be much better if Square were to announce a non-FF title and bring a series like Chronotrigger back to Nintendo. The FF titles the Cube will get will most likely be along the lines of Crystal Chronicles, while getting a series like Chronotrigger will allows Square to create a much more epic experience. That and Chronotrigger was simply one of the greatests games ever made.

[Cooolcorey]

Now that's a good idea!

[Messiah]

Yeah but why did he post it here?

[Link]

I think that a good name for the "DS" would be Prodigy, since it is ahead of its time.

[Freak of Kane]

Neat name. I just hope it's not Nitro.

Anyone think we'll see any surprises from Nintendo at E3? By surprises, I mean big surprises - not the Pac man thing - everyone thought we'd get lots at last year's E3 but because they'd pre-released info...it felt like we knew most of the stuff already. I'm actually hoping Nintendo doesn't release any screenshots or info about big hitters like Metroid Prime 2 so the stuff is totally new when showcased at E3. Also, I don't think we'll be seeing anything unknown of that really turns heads - we already know about DS, Wind Waker 2 etc.

Games to look for at E3:

- Mario Party 6 (YEAH! There will be a GBA version ALSO!)
- Metroid Prime 2
- Wind Waker 2
- Geist
- Pikmin 2
- Resident Evil 4
- Resonance (just been announced first impressions from the description likens it to Eternal Darkness)
- Goldeneye 2
- Def Jam Vendetta 2
- Tales of Symphonia
- Baiten Katos
- Killer 7
- Donkey Konga

[Link]

What about Paper Mario 2? Fire Emblem GCN? Mario Tennis? Mario 128? I'll be looking forward to info on these games, as well as some of yours.

[blablamax]

MMmm the big problem last year, is that before E3 even started Nintendo put all the images and movies they plan to show in the event on their website .. and everyone knew what to expect from Nintendo. It was pretty disapointing.

If Nintendo will show off Mario128 it will be the big talk of this year E3 ... this ,the DS and the PSP.

About another surprises? well..Rare will show PD-Zero .... and Goldeneye2 will be very interesting. And of-course, Zoonami has something for the cube, aswell Kuju ans SK(I want to believe). There will be surprises I believe, at least more than last year, which was a pretty boring E3.

I think that Nintendo big focusing will be on the DS ... I have no doubt about it.

[blablamax]

Dont you think it is very possible that Nintendo will present Mario128? if not now I think it will be too late, dont you agree? The Gamecube has maximum two years left on the market in my opinion, and if Nintendo want to get the most from the title .. it most be this year.

[Kirbimirsha]

Your right... but they need titles for the next home console so mario 128 mite like its been rumored go on the N5...

But honestly i want it on the cube... they also need a good audience-base for the next console and for the DS and thats only possible by putting many great games on the cube.
I wonder what that innovative gameplay in mario 128 is ... ?

But all in all, a great E3 up ahead this year...YEEEEHAH !!!!!!!!

[Freak of Kane]

Originally posted by Paladin
What about Paper Mario 2? Fire Emblem GCN? Mario Tennis? Mario 128? I'll be looking forward to info on these games, as well as some of yours.

D'oh! I knew I missed a number of titles...I just couldn't remember everything.

About Mario 128, I don't think we'll be seeing it at E3. Also to look forward to is the Nintendo/Kuju title. As well as the stuff from Zoonami like Blabla said.

[johnnyb853]

maybe we will be getting some online capabilities ;) , hard drives and other attachments at e3 this year

[Xetas]

Console Online play isn't all that its cracked up to be, the PS2 players on FFXI are considered to be the crappy players anyway. If you wanna play online anything, use a computer.

[Nintendo]

i dont think it would be nitro, because rio has an mp3 player called the rio nitro... but maybe that doesnt matter

[blablamax]

Here's one of the impressive mock-up of the DS I believe.
http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/media/gamesradar/Nintydsmock1_1.jpg

[Just Gabriel]

I sure hope the DS comes with a stylus or something...
Either way, that mock-up looks decent, but the joint looks VERY weak, and... well, that's the only problem I can see with it --~

Well.... except maybe for the speaker... It'd be right under your hand, so you'd muffle most of the sound. Also, I guess it looks kinda top-heavy.

[Freak of Kane]

I like that concept. However, I'd prefer the DS to not look like a slightly updated SP. If they're marketing it seperately to the GBA, I think it'd be wise not to look like a GBA.

I'm thinking Nintendo won't say much about N5 that we don't know already - you know, the usual stuff..."it's in development" and other things along those lines. I hope they reinvent themselves in someway or other for next gen - sure they can survive staying the same, but that also probably means more and more third parties slowly dropping support...which would mean they're left with that niche hardcore following.

[blablamax]

Well.. Namco decided to released information about Tales series before E3. While the announcement should come on Monday, according to a scan from a Japanies magzine, this announcemen wont be good for us, the Cube owners .. not at all.

According to the Scan, Tales of Symphonia which released durning last summer in Japan and will release state side on this upcoming summer, will release on the PS2 too. But the big dissapointment is that the sequal , Tales of Rebirth will be PS2 EXCLUSIVE

http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1081438608.JPG

I believe We'll just need to wait till Monday.

I dont sure about the transelate .. which is from one of the fourms on the net, but about the announcement on Monday I pretty sure it is ture.

[koten]

You know what... Namco can bite me... cause after they show all this support for the GC and then go and do this... god...

and... slightly off topic but, I am still sure that VJ is staying exclusive to the GCN and that VJ2 will be exclusive also

[blablamax]

I dont think soo.
According to reports, there is a Remake of the game on produce which, according to rumors will contain a character from DMC2 ....

[Freak of Kane]

Nintendo to show 30 TITLES @ E3 for DS?! DAMN!

...Enterbrain President Hirokazu Hamamura said he was eagerly awaiting the company's new handheld, "Nintendo DS."

"This will be a product unlike anything available right now and it will come with a touch panel," said Hamamura, adding that Nintendo was prepared to unveil 30 "DS" titles at the Electronics Entertainment Expo (E3) in Los Angeles in May.

From http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=4793388&section=news

From all the rumors we've heard about the DS, I'm pretty sure now that the touch screen talk is a fact.

[blablamax]

30 TITLES??!?!? thats a-lot .. and only from Nintendo!! well, probably half of them will be a demos to shows the machine abilities ... but still..

Things just get better and better.

[kellett03]

30 games for the ds at e3 no way maybe 10 max

dont forget about nst we dont know what there up to and the 6 games sega are working on

[Spartacus]

Hey guys, I thought of this the other day. A new Jet Set Radio! That would own. (for one of the 6 games Sega is making)

[Freak of Kane]

Yeah, I've always wondered why Sega didn't release that for GC - if there was any reason other than being paid not to. I hope it's a new...STREETS OF RAGE! Heck, I'd pay £30 for a SOR GBA remake.

[blablamax]

Did Nintendo's games list for theis year's E3 leaked? According to CUBE Magzine, here is the games Nintendo plans to show the E3,for the Cube!:

Custom Robo
Donkey Konga
GEIST
Giftpia - finally for the US?
Golden Sun
Mario 128
Mario Tennis
Metroid Prime 2
Paper Mario
Pikmin 2
Wind Waker 2
Zelda Four Swords

And here are some of the 3rd parties titles for the Cube:

Call of Duty (Activision)
True Crime 2 (Activision)
Killer 7 and Resi 4 (Capcom)
SSX 4 (EA)
Timesplitters 3 and Second Sight (FRD)
The Movies (Lionhead)
Unity (Lionhead)
RIDGE RACER 6 (Namco)
Starfox GC plus Baten and Tales
Prince of Persia 2 (Ubisoft)
Monkey Ball 3 and Virtua Fighter (SEGA)

Are you dissapointed?
Im not. Mario 128,Zelda,Metroid Mario paper and Gollden Sun .. that just great!! 30 titles for the DS ..and new Peripherals for the GCN .....

[Wh|tE gUy]

Starfox wasn't already confirmed?


Anyways, if they were to announce Golden Sun for GC I think it would promptly trigger an orgasm that would last for 3 days. Well, in my case atleast

[Messiah]

It should be in everyones case sause that would be great news. That list looks soooo desirable, nearly all of those titles look to be great games

[Spirit Icana]

If a Golden Sun game is really going to be revealed at E3 this year, I think I'm going to throw a huge party prior to it's confirmation. I was dreaming of a Gamecube Golden Sun game since the original debuted on Game Boy Advance.

[Messiah]

I will attend if invited Spirit Icana, lol, seriously though, i realll really really want this to be confirmed

[blablamax]

*Connectivity Alert*

[Messiah]

Connectivity would be great but i dont think it would work unless they made another GBA title, and hey, you wont get any complaints from me.

[Link]

Perhaps connectivity would work in the case of transferring party members, much in the same way that it worked for Golden Sun 2.

[koten]

^ Exactly what i thought... but it would also be sweet if they included some kind of specail power up or something... like an almighty sword or something... i dunno

[COTTON]

When you beat The Lost Age it allows you to save a file like the first one did, so you can transfer your party to the sequel. I'm guessing you'd transfer somthing from the lost age to the GC version in a similar manner.

[koten]

hum... wouldn't your party get TOO strong after a while? I mean transphering back and forth... they would all get to level 99 sooner or later

[COTTON]

did you finish any of the golden sun games? (it's okay if you didn't) the way it worked is, with the lost age, when you transfered your team to the sequel, they weren't the ones you played with. You played with an entirely different team most of the game. You meet up with your team from the first game later on in the lost age. So your team power is relatively the same.

Maybe somthing similar here, a new team, meet up with the others later?
Maybe?

[bill TSM]

If Nintendo was to show one title and one title only, and it happened to be Mario 128, I'd be the happiest person on the planet.

I know my hopes for this game are very high, and if it's just a sequal to Mario Sunshine, then I'm going to feel let down.

I wasn't let down with Mario Sunshine much other than the fact that it was set on a tropical island without a snow stage to be found... it was definitely a vacation from the Mushroom Kingdom. The reason was because I knew that this game was really meant to be Super Mario 64-2 but it never made it due to technical restraints of the hardware.

Mario 128 better have something very innovative in it, and I'm not talking about Bowser not kidnapping the Princess, he can do that as many times as he wants. Mario has always been about the gameplay. I'd like to see a larger world to explore with no more hubs (jumping through pictures). Hopefully they'll release some details this E3. The wait only gets longer.

[Freak of Kane]

MAYBE Mario 128 will be played with this new "prephiral" for the Cube?

[blablamax]

Maybe..
but I got the felling that this "prephiral" will be more like the Eyetoy ... maybe more advanced ..

and I dont wanna see Mario game which include co-opration with something like the Eyetoy which will make me do stopid acts with my hands :D

[Just Gabriel]

Originally posted by Freak of Kane
MAYBE Mario 128 will be played with this new "prephiral" for the Cube?

Hm, sounds alot like the Sega Saturn's 3D controller to me...

Haha, I can see it now... Sonic Team and NIntendo's new collaboration:
http://www.gcadvanced.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=56460
Mario into Dreams!

[blablamax]

:D

[Freak of Kane]

I hope Nintendo isn't doing this prehpiral thing just for the sake of showing that they can make just as innovative things as the EyeToy. I'm wondering just how much of a new way to play this new thing will bring...and also how many games will even bother to use it outside of Nintendo's own offerings.

Whatever happens, I think this E3 will definitely be an eventful one - the debut of the DS and Nintendo's other big titles and anything emerging from Silicon Knights - for whichever platform(s) - if it does will help stir the pot and even balance out the good/bad news. Depending on the reaction to the DS though - cause I doubt we'll really find anything out about the N% we don't already know.

[Spirit Icana]

I concur their Freak of Kane. None the less, I have confidence that Nintendo won't disappoint this E3. I hope this new peripheral does indeed diversify the way we interact with games and at the same time lengthen up the Gamecube's life-span.

[Freak of Kane]

Anyone think the DS will live up to the hype? Personally, I doubt it....but if they have 30 or so games that are said to be shown, I think it'll be OK. Apparantly this will be compatible with all GB games. I would have thought Nintendo would rather not have it be, what with the DS being seperate from the GBA and all. Oh well, maybe it's just an undercover way to get a new GameBoy out without pissing off the public due the SP being released not too long ago.

People keep saying that the next GB is coming, too - it's in development. Nintendo always have something hardware orientated in development. I don't think we'll be getting the next GameBoy for a long while. I think the DS is it. Well, for the moment, anyway.

[Spartacus]

I think we will see the next GB in two years or less.

[johnnyb853]

i just hope it looks as nice as the pictures that we have created on our own. some of y'all have some good ideas. to me i see the DS as the possible future move in though and imagination, good thinking bigN (i hope) :)

[blablamax]

Mmmm .. you know, I think the Next gameboy (GBE?) will be like "saving wheel" for the DS, if it will failled.

I believe the next GB will be something much more powerfull than the PSP... but this is only feeling. What interesting is, that before the announcement on the DS, there were lot of news/rumors/quotes of companies which stated they started the develope for the next Gameboy, while today no one talks about it.

I want to believe the DS will leave up to the hipe. About the new prephiral, well,wat about new controller which will use that's technology:
http://www.gcadvanced.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2374

[Freak of Kane]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Maybe, Nintendo secretly gave DS-like specs and these third parties thought they were receiving kits for the next GB.

[blablamax]

Mmm .. you know, I'll check it .... I saved severl those news about the next GB ... I'll try to combine them with the facts we've got on the DS.

Nice thinking ;)

[Spirit Icana]

I can't comment on the system's success, but I have high confidence that the DS won't disappoint (For most people at least). I'm confident that more than half of those thirty DS games have been conceived by a third party developer. If this is the case, then I'm sure they must have a very good reason for joining the bandwagon.

[koten]

I am very confused about what to think about the DS. I can't understand what this thing is. I know it has dual screens and it is going to be motion sensitive (or so i understand) but I don't know a damn thing about it, so i am withholding all opinions. I am just interested to see what nintendo will do with it, cause hardware is hardware, that won't change. What i need to see is the software.

[blablamax]

Ok .. I checked some of the rumors about the GBA2/GBE and you know, they pretty fit to the DS:

1. "The GBA will have at least 300*200 pixels
- it's petty fit to the DS screens size, which is about 3" each
2. "Nintendo supose to send development software for the system on Christmas 2003"
- Ok, Nintendo stated in their announcement of the DS that the developement in Japan already started, in the end of last year, soo it pretty fit.

...mm to your thinking and doubting (fearing ......)

[Freak of Kane]

I see. This makes me assume even more that there isn't a "GBA 2" in existence at the moment. I think it was the DS all along. About 3 and a half weeks to go till E3. Can't wait.

[blablamax]

Mmmm I'm still thinking Nintendo does prepar the ground for the GBE .... It's all depend on the succsses of the DS. All. of it faill, the GBE will release by the end of 2005 ... if it won't and the PSP will be a totaly disaster,which I doubt it will, I believe we won't see the GBE in the market till center of 2004.

[Kirbimirsha]

They really have to design a machine capable of doing stuff that the psp can't do......i fear they might have a slim chance at the moment of winning with the DS ( we'll have to see about that at E3...). Software will be the key.

But i think that the GBE will definately come out not too long after the DS because after all it is nintendos best selling hardware outbeating the Playstations.

As for the GCnext ( as iwata calls it ) i'm not going to bother thinking about it. It just seems tooo far off into the future.Actually on Planetgamecube.com iwata says it will be very different to the existing hardware....!

[Spirit Icana]

If the DS is to be the third pillar in gaming, then you bet it's got to be a whole lot different than the PSP (And handheld gaming in general). The Game Boy Advance is still going strong at this point, so I don't expect to hear anything about the Game Boy Elite until sometime in 2005.

[Freak of Kane]

Yeah. I don't think it'd be wise, either. Unless the PSP totally kills DS and SP (which I doubt) - cause GBA is a money bag and it'd be silly to not let earn Nintendo as much as possible before the next system.

Also, IMO Nintendo just appearing at E3 this year will top last years. That's the most disappointing E3 for them I can remember.

:banana:

[Link]

Hey, I just thought of something that the DS could utilize: First-Person View. Granted, this only works well if there is a control stick as well as a control pad. But anyway, here's the idea:

One screen displays the Third Person View, for all of the action/platforming, and the character (shown on this screen) would be controlled using the control stick (or pad). The second screen would display First Person View, and the remaining control pad (or stick) would be used for aiming. This would make the transition from action to shooting seamless, and it would totally revolutionize 3-D gaming as we know it.

Please, let me know what you think.

[Spirit Icana]

Not a bad idea Paladin. The touch screen would only make it all the merrier though. We could use the controls to operate the third person screen and the touch screen to control the first person screen. The shoulder buttons could be used to fire at will while a simple tap on the screen can be used to aim. Then we go back to exploring, jumping, etc... on the third person screen using the D-pad and the A and B buttons.

[Freak of Kane]

OMG. WOW. Honestly. What an awesome idea! You could watch the 3rd person screen while searching, etc. and when faced with enemies, glance to the other screen to aim like you said. Obviously they can just make an option to switch view...but this would do away with that! I like the idea.

:banana::banana:

EDIT: Oops...seems like Icana and I posted along the same lines at the same time :P

[Cooolcorey]

That is a good idea. I hope someone utilizes that or a similar sort of setup.

[koten]

*Sniff, sniff*

Hum... that idea smells like Metroid to me...

[Link]

Yes, exactly. The first person screen could act like the Metroid Prime setup, while the third person screen could allow for more platforming action, such as the wall jump, the screw attack, and a "real" space jump.

[Freak of Kane]

Originally posted by Paladin
Yes, exactly. The first person screen could act like the Metroid Prime setup, while the third person screen could allow for more platforming action, such as the wall jump, the screw attack, and a "real" space jump.

That would be cool...but I'm wondering how much of a 3D ability DS will have? I'd rather have 2D than grainy 3D.

Also...from what I've read on the web - could by cheap hype for all I know - there are a few people in the know about DS who are very hyped about the system. I'm still on the wait and see bandwagon, but I've pretty much heard nothing but good things about it lately.

[Link]

I was just throwing out a conceptual example, I know that the DS probably won't have GCN comparable graphics.

[Freak of Kane]

Heh, I didn't mean GCN wise ;) Take this with a grain of salt cause it's SPONG (boy, do they have a bad reputation or what?!) but I read on their site today that Nintendo will be launching a new franchise that will be on the level of Pokemon.

Again, remember this is Spong. But if anything needs a huge new franchise, it's gotta be DS.

[johnnyb853]

we will like the DS's innovation more than its graphics

[Freak of Kane]

I'm sure we will. Look what I just found at Forbes:

"This will not be a machine where you push the 'A' button or 'B' button and move the direction pad, but a completely different way to interact with the device," said Hirokazu Hamamura, president of "Famitsu" game magazine publisher EnterBrain.Taken from http://www.forbes.com/technology/newswire/2004/05/07/rtr1363263.html

How...interesting. I'm guessing this coincides with the "fun and movement" Iwata said before.

ALSO, one website has offered a bounty for the DS!

In fact, the gaming community has been so perplexed by the idea of the DS and how it might be designed that one Web site, Gizmodo.com, has offered a bounty to the first person to send it a photograph of the unit before its public unveiling.

Same source as above.

:banana:

[Kirbimirsha]

Well well , are we in for an entertaning week next week...

Hype for the DS is really mounting and i feel that the PSP is getting more and more on the edge of the hill.

GO nintendo !

[MAX]

lol... people at the PSP sites are probobly saying the exact opposite

[Master Yoda]

well the PSP is dying Sony has no chance if nintendo is going to continue to release games in the Gameboy line and the DS line. I am really excited for this new handheld. I really want to see some inovative games and well nintendo is doing it.

[MAX]

I don't think playstation or psp are going to die out anytime soon.

[COTTON]

if the PSP is too expensive, it'll be dead before it's released.

[blablamax]

Agree .. but there is still the crazy one who will bought a console for 300$

[Freak of Kane]

Originally posted by rottwylor
I don't think playstation or psp are going to die out anytime soon.

Me either.

You know Sony says that the PSP is the "Walkman of the 21st Century"? Does that mean we can consider the iPod as a competitor to the PSP?

I'm sure Sony wants the portable music market back just as much as Nintendo wants the home console market back.

[blablamax]

Mmmm I dont know how it's on America or Japan or Europe .. but here Sony's Minidisc still rules (along side with the Discman *sig*). Anyway... Mmm it will be very "Sony" to make the PSP be like the iPod and than you will be able to download music, but I think it will effect on their Disc's bussnies .... No more discs? Moving thorwad UMD?

[Freak of Kane]

Where are you based? iPod is very popular in the west as far as I know. It's the #1 best selling portable music player these days.

[Kirbimirsha]

To be totally honest i don't really know what market sony is aiming for....their machine is so " walkman" that it could become more an entertainment machine and less "gaming".

I really don't like sony's idea of transforming the games business into entertainment which involves music and television. Thats the way we might loose gaming forever.....well, only if ninty disappears which aint the case.

[COTTON]

Originally posted by blablamax
Mmmm I dont know how it's on America or Japan or Europe .. but here Sony's Minidisc still rules (along side with the Discman *sig*). Anyway... Mmm it will be very "Sony" to make the PSP be like the iPod and than you will be able to download music, but I think it will effect on their Disc's bussnies .... No more discs? Moving thorwad UMD?

Those UMDs will not become the new standard. CDs are the current standard, I can see DVDs become the next standard before those. UMDs are a "sony" media, not a universal medium like the name implies. Those minidiscs are also a "sony" media.

You're over in Israel aren't you Blab? This is the first I've heard of those mini discs being popular. I don't think those minidiscs are big anywhere else in the world. The fact is, if Sony is trying to replace the CD, I don't think they will be with these UMDs. More than likely it will become the standard for the PSP, and nothing more. Just like cartridges for the Gameboy. I'm sure if this PSP sells well enough, companys will put movies on these UMDs to be played on the PSP, like the Gameboy has those carts with videos on 'em.

Besides, I think those UMDs are quite nicely copy protected, as the Sony biggies put it, So I doubt that those are where we'll be storeing the MP3s and movies. I think there will be those flash-type memory cards, (like the ones used in digital cameras) for saving game data and the Mp3s and videos to. Depending on the size of the card depends on how many Mp3s or how long the videos you can store can be.

[johnnyb853]

most portable mp3 players are very expensive and that is all that they are, so how does psp expect to compete with that and so much more for a okay price

[Freak of Kane]

Yeah...didn't Sony try to make mini discs a standard format? I remember seeing albums released on MD ages ago but now they don't sell them anymore. Just didn't work out I guess.

[blablamax]

Originally posted by Freak of Kane
Where are you based? iPod is very popular in the west as far as I know. It's the #1 best selling portable music player these days.

I just said how is it in here, in Israel....

[enigma7]

About the DS Logo:

It's possible that someone threw CNN a fake, or CNN's designers mocked-up concept to add legitimacy to the article. I'm an Art/Creative Director and design is my livelihood. This logo design isn't simple enough to be strong. Any solid logo shouldn't have to rely on it's background for strength, and for that matter it's a major logo-design faux paux to use a rasterized background for a logo. For instance, the standard Nintendo logo looks consistant any way you print it. In any color and on any background it looks strong because of the line around it. This presumed Nintendo DS logo looks shoddy to me because without the background colors it just doesn't stand on it's own.

Another thing is that the background of the letters "DS" has standard Photoshop Bevel/Embossing and drop shadows on it. This was a point and click logo that was hastily thrown together without very much thought at all.

Those are my two cents. I may very well be wrong about my analysis , but if I am I'll be disappointed in Nintendo for a drop in quality design. I would hate to think this was the best they could come up with.

[Kirbimirsha]

OMG OMG dynasty warriors is announced for the DS !!!!!!!! OMG OMG lets rejoice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[COTTON]

Really? Dynasty Warriors? When?

[Spartacus]

IGN>Gameboy

[COTTON]

Cool, thanks Spartacus.

[Kirbimirsha]

I don't know why but i have the feeling that the new mario will be on the DS possibly the very innovative one.....
What do you guys think ?

[COTTON]

It could very well be, but my money is on that it's a Gamecube game.

[enigma7]

I'm with COTTON. It's been said that at least one of the big nintendo surprises is something that gamers wanted to see last year but didn't. Last E3 the DS wasn't even announced yet, so if a mario game is one of their big announcements, it has to be a GC title. It seems like a logical guess anyway.

[blablamax]

No..they said it won't be the DS the surprise but something for the Gamecube ... I believe it Mario128, cause Miyamoto himself stated that he wil be very dissapointing if he won't show-off the game durning this year/E3 year event.

[MAX]

Mario 128 / Too Human

Please GOD!

[Shoxx]

We won't see Too Human, because Silicon Knights was going to develop it, and they've left Nintendo.

BUT, Mario 128 is a huge possibility.

[enigma7]

Back on the topic of the DS Logo, here is what looks like the official logo. Much better than that photoshop crap that CNN was serving up.

http://www.n-sider.com/media/news-051004-nintendodslogo.jpg

The layout of double o's at the end of the word "Nintendo" seems to support the screen layout of the Usa Today screen released this morning.

Also, it would appear that the final name IS DS...WHOOOOHOOOOO! I hated that "Nitro" idea.

[Kirbimirsha]

Wen wil it come ??????????? arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! E3 !!!!!!!!!

[blablamax]

Now the official:
http://www.islandia.is/gunnarv/stuffz/nintendodsredux.jpg

[Freak of Kane]

Neat logo! I think Nintendo are still deciding whether or not to use DS as the official name...I don't see why they shouldn't, really other than the fact that it doesn't seem very creative...?

I wasn't expecting it, but the DS totally blew the socks off everything on the show.

:pwn:

[NickTheGamer]

DS is a great name, logo looks good to me. Now competing with the PSP will be hard.

[Freak of Kane]

I hope they change the look of it. Looks ugly, IMO...it doesn't scream look at me like the SP does. And we all know how important image is these days.

[Spartacus]

you have no faith in them, do you?


They said this is Not the final prototype, and that it will probably go through many changes before it comes out. They just made it this way so that it could be playable at e3.

[NickTheGamer]

Sounds good to me, I really like the design, just the color and a few extra techy things would make it look cooler, kind of like the PSP. Im not trying to sound stupid, but the image is important.

[Spartacus]

Oh yeah, I know that. Image can kill it.

[Freak of Kane]

No faith? I was only moaning about the look of the console. Is it just me, or does the silver on the DS look darker than the silver SP?

[blablamax]

DS is not the official name, while they may chose it in the end. The design is not the last too..I believe they will make it less wider.

I dont sure about the look of the DS yet, but the Console totaly took the show ... it was the star alond side with Zelda & Zelda Minish Cap

[Freak of Kane]

I'm surprised there isn't a Pokemon game in the works for it...or no announcement of one. Since Nintendo are using current franchises, why not? Pokemon would pretty much guarantee huge sales on debut.

Also...after seeing the graphical capabilities of the DS, I think Sony pretty much forced them into it. I think Nintendo would have liked to make their next handheld with proper PS1-like graphics or slightly better (obviously N-Gage isn't a threat) but Sony's entry forced them to rethink.

Also...Nintendogs is a game which is being made for DS. What is that all about and does anyone have any screenshots? I've only seen it on DS game lists.

[COTTON]

Ya, what is Nintendogs?

[blablamax]

Well .. I think is a demo, I saw it in the PressEvent on the screen .. if it was it. This is kind of a dog with a celshaded graphic which is on one screen .. and from what it looks it "Tamagochi" like .. or something like that I think. But I'm not sure.

Pokemon game for the DS as a lunch title will be perfect

[COTTON]

Ya, a Pokemon game would sell the system big time. Of course, it would mostly be kids who would buy it for that. They need some good games for adults too, like a Perfect Dark or a nice GTA or somthing like that.

[koten]

I'm all for a mature game, but some games really wouldn't fit, specifically survival horror, it's not really scarey (or smart) to be playing REDS (Resident Evil DS) during you brother's catholic wedding

Disclaimer: REDS doesn't really exist, i made it up as an example

[prime_timer]

Why wouldnt survival horror. You could have like item screen and sub-menues on the 2d screen, and the action on the 1st. Its not very creative, but i doubt a lot of games are gonna really use that 2nd screen to its maximum potential anyhow. In fact, Resident Evil could become even scarier and pulse pounding on the DS if they made it ALL real-time. That 2nd screen is your start screen so you gotta change it on the fly, AND worry about getting half your skull ripped off at the same time! It would be magic!

[koten]

I'm saying it wouldn't be all to scary on that itty bitty screen as compared to your tv set. Come on think about it

[COTTON]

Ya, they'd have to put in a bunch of close-ups of zombies jumping out at the screen to try and scare you. First though, put somthing small and hard to discern what it is on the screen so you put it right up to your face, then BAM! zombie in your face. That's what they'd have to do the whole game through for a scare.

[koten]

you'd get used to it though. It would have to start to trick you, honestly, a smart peson would probably do that only once or twice before expecting it again

[prime_timer]

Alright, survival horror is a no-no. What else could be done? How about a game where you get a shotgun and just blow up werewolves, then add wi-fi so you and a friend across the country can blow up werewolves together?





Ok, it wouldnt work, i just want a game where you blast werewolves.

[koten]

then learn flash and make one :)

[prime_timer]

Ive got a programming class next year. i probally will.

[koten]

good. and make them real wolves, with blood and guts and after the game ends, you die, for no reason, untill you meet god and he says your a jack ***

[COTTON]

Don't forget, god is a garbage bag full of pudding, the chocolate kind! And it's a black garbage bag, not those clear kind.

[prime_timer]

Its gonna be the next Contra. Hold on to your hat folks!

[koten]

Yeah, since we are all wearing the same hat...

Also make some levels where instead of shooting the werewolves, you have to throw biscits at them, the special limited edition Jelly filled kind

whcih brings me to my next point, why do they make limited edition food?

[COTTON]

All food should be in limited edition form. I'd hate to eat a "vintage" bag of oreos. Yuk!

[Freak of Kane]

Heh.

I think Metroid Hunters can be seen as a mature entry for DS, no? Also, if they truly use the wi-fi capability of the game, I'd love to see lots of co-op games like prime_timer mentioned.

I'm really intrigued by SEGA's "Project Rub". Also...the Sonic demo they had is unfortunately just that, a demo. We have no news of them working on a Sonic game for DS. From all the impressions I've read, a lot of people really enjoyed it.

[blablamax]

The Sonic semo should stay a demo, will the models are great .. the idea sound sacks and boring!

[koten]

cause sonic now sucks (just look at heros Oi!)

[Freak of Kane]

I think they should have stayed 2D with Sonic. I'm looking forward to Sonic Advance 3.

I'm thinking Project Rub is something in the vein of Wario Ware, from the looks of it...maybe not as fast paced.

A neat aspect of the DS is the ability for developers to package a GBA cartridge with the game as a hardware add-on so extra features can be added for games which wouldn't be possible with the DS alone.

Anyone have any ideas?

P.S. Does anyone have official specs for the DS? I heard it'll have huge RAM. I hope for one thing Nintendo get over the need for everyone to have a copy of the game to play full multiplayer. Big ram should help...?

[Tom-PSPA]

DS may not even remain as "DS". Just like Dolphin did not remain GameCube. It may be early to tell? That logo is dumb as hell though, that's my take.

[blablamax]

I love the logo. DS is still, the codename .. when the releasedate is get nearer they will probably announce the new name.

Anyway even if it will sat the DS .. it's not that bad.

[Freak of Kane]

Visual Impact announces official licensed DS developer status as first details emerge on the project…

Visual Impact today confirmed that it has become a licensed developer for the Nintendo DS, with development believed to be well underway on their first title.

Having worked on number of Nintendo platforms in the past, most recently converting SSX3 to the GameBoy Advance, specific details on the DS title are currently being kept a well hidden secret, although sources seem to indicate that the title will be fully 3D and *possibly* revolve around Dracula in some context.From http://www.totalvideogames.com/pages/articles/index.php?article_id=5961

Nice to have another on the DS train. Has anyone played SSX 3 on GBA...is it any good?

[blablamax]

Dracula game...*Yami*...