N5/Gamecube 2

[Jaga]

N5, the tenative name for Nintendo's next generation console is something I'm looking foward to... although I don't know anything about it I have some ideas on what Nintendo should do, or at least take under consideration. They make a compilation CD or CDS of the greatest Super Nintendo, Nintendo, and N64 games and have them avalible on the new system. They should also have Gamecube games playable on N5. If they can up their online gaming, as well as add some nifty features, like the ability to play and burn DVD and Music CDs, and fix their image to make it seem to the stubborn older audience that Gamecube isn't only for kids but it is also for them, Nintendo will be on top. Infact, if those things can be accomplished by Nintendo, their is no way in this world Sony and Microsoft can stand a chance. Nintendo will blow them away to smitheriness....

[Shoxx]

I'm hoping Nintendo fixes their mistakes with the next console... because as it seems, the N64 and the GameCube weren't nearly as good as the SNES.

[NickTheGamer]

The thing wrong was, how late the N64 came out!

[Jaga]

and how late Gamecube came out... Nintendo also needs to be on top of things...

[Matt]

Nintendo should go for a release about a month before PS3/Xbox 2 with N5.

N5 needs to look cool, and be very powerful, plus have lots of games and 3rd party support. The console should cost US$300 or less, and Must Undersell PS3/Xbox 2

[prime_timer]

If you want my opinion, every system is going to copy what Xbox did. Put a hard drive into it, and add built in network play. Hopefully the N5 will go online. Id love to b*tchslap some loud mouths ive met across various message boards at Smash Bros. and Madden.

Two other things i would do if i were Nintendo:

1) Open a new studio that develops exclusive sports titles. it doesnt take a brainless weasel to realize our sports line up sucks.

2) Please, PLEASE switch to the same media as your competitors!
Rockstar might have possibly considered porting GTA over if your discs could hold over 1.5 GB. Heck, Sony's new handheld's discs will hold more information(but will still get smoked by the GBA)

next generation looks to be good.

[NickTheGamer]

2 GCN discs are still cheaper then one PS2 disc.

[Matt]

We want to have DVD-ROM for games and high-speed network.

[GodCube]

I dont think that it would make a big difference if they release early. We gotta face it. I'm 17 turning 18 soon enough, and I know for a fact that Nintendo has a poor reputation. I love Nintendo and whenever I say that I have a gamecube people start saying how gay nintendo is and that its for babies. Im sure its like that everywhere. Its over for nintendo. their reputation preceeds them.

[Shoxx]

Unless they work hard to change their image. I'm sure that they're just now starting to realize what games will really sell, and that they need to focus more on teen-oriented games instead of the childish and almost disgusting Pokemon-like titles.

[blablamax]

Mmmm
lets see Nintendo already said if i dont mistake that the N5/their next home console will play GCN discs.
I belive:

1. Nintendo wont released any N64 port game to the N5 because the next GB its all about ... 64 bit and more.

2. Nintendo have some bussnies with AOL about internet solutions so I belvie we'll something on the next console

3. I hope it will run GCN,DVD and music discs!

4. I have no doubt that the N5 will be announced in Spaceworld04 or in E304.

5. Nintendo Japan,Europe and US will have a HUGE press in the first to December then they will show off their plans to 2004-2005 .
I hope we will hear somthing there

Last word: They kay for Nintendo to successe is First to released to Console first, before Sony ans MS, Second - to make A huge advertising and to make a wide-world released on they same day in UK,US and JP, and the Third is to make a new deals with companies like Capcom, Rockstar, Namco, EA, UBI and more for Exlusive titles for the release!

[Matt]

That is true.

Nintendo should also do as Microsoft did and purchase developers as well as pay them for exclusive titles.

[blablamax]

And one thing more :
BRING RARE BACK TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jaga]

Oh yeah i heard something is going on with AOL and Nintendo...did you guys also hear about Nintendo doing something with computers? Maybe they are going to install a hard drive like Xbox...my friend's Xbox has like 150 GB and has some games... he said he put a computers hard drive into his Xbox...if the same can be done with Nintendo, then you can save your games on the system itself...

[blablamax]

MMMM the iQue is defentaly a Computre and even the Nes namd Family computre in Japan so Nintendy and computers is well .. long history indeed...
Any way Nintendo have agreement with AOL which connected to the Interenet, maybe to Ninty Gamers Club? .. dont know.

[NickTheGamer]

Originally posted by blablamax
And one thing more :
BRING RARE BACK TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think rare is a big pile of monkey crap that are to slow and slugish! I think rare should just stick with first person shooters and stop trying to make other over-rated games. They should come back to Nintendo and stop asking for to much money and just make Perfect Dark and thats it. They do not have the time to make any other games.

[blablamax]

defently agre with yah, but Kameo looks great!!!

[GodCube]

Originally posted by NickTheGamer
I think rare is a big pile of monkey crap that are to slow and slugish! I think rare should just stick with first person shooters and stop trying to make other over-rated games. They should come back to Nintendo and stop asking for to much money and just make Perfect Dark and thats it. They do not have the time to make any other games.
Rare sucks. Their last console game was....?? I dont even know. They are lazy mo'fo

[Kessi]

It's easier to say than do.
Maybe it's possible to beat Ps2/3, if Microsoft & Nintendo work together, but if they don't...you know.
Ps2 have so many owners..and those owners probably buy Ps3.

It's same in the handheld-gaming, and it's lucky that GBA is the king of the handheld-gaming-hill.

There are normal people that play games, not so usually but they play, and they don't know so much about releases dates and other stuff.

[prime_timer]

Well Rare does suck. I havent played Star Fox Adventures (heard it sucked), but their debut Xbox game (Grabbed by the ghoulies0 looks to be another enormous steamer. But Conker: Live and Uncut looks to be good for Xbox LIVE subscribers, but chances are it wont be bought if its coming out in 2004, because thats when Microsoft's almight halo 2 will debut. And hopefully they get the n5 some killer app launch titles. i would rather have Metroid Prime 2 and Wind Waker 2 be launch titles for n5 then debut late in the Gamecube's life. Pilotwings and Half Life 2 are going to kick ass also..... (and yes, Half Life 2 will probally suck on Xbox, simply because its not as powerful as a PC)

Next Generation is going to rule

[Jaga]

i played Star Fox Adventures, I hated that game... the last game Rare made for Nintendo I believe was Star Fox... Nintendo I think still ownes liscences to Star Fox and Donkey Kong

[prime_timer]

Wasnt the last game Rare made Conker's bad fur day?

[NickTheGamer]

Star Fox Adventures was...

[Wh|tE gUy]

The last good rare game i played was goldeneye.

All rare does is take a Nintendo game and redo it. Diddy Kong Racing is just a Mario Kart knock off, Banjo and Kazooie is a Mario64 clone, and Star Fox Adventures was obviously trying to imitate Zelda.

I was disappointed by DK64(boring), Perfect Dark (was expecting another goldeneye in single player department), Diddy Kong Racing (soooooo slow) and SFA which just plain sucked.

Am i sad they left? Hell no, nintendo gained so much from selling them, who cares if i dont get some crap like Grabbed by the Gholies? SFA is hopefully the last rare game i will ever have to play

[NickTheGamer]

thats just how I feel... goldeneye and perfect dark are all I ever liked from them

[CronoEdge]

Jeez, just cuz rare jumped ship u guys dont have to flame the hell out of em, they are a COMPANY that has to make BUSINESS decisions like any other company. If they felt like they we're going to be more profitable on xbox then fine go for it.


God knows i didn't like every game rare made but the 2 best were Goldeneye and Conker's Bad Fur Day. I wasn't really able to get into Perfect Dark.

[Jaga]

I've never been a fan of shooters, but Golden Eye had to be my favorite... is Nintendo going to recreate something like that on N5?

[CronoEdge]

Originally posted by Jaga
I've never been a fan of shooters, but Golden Eye had to be my favorite... is Nintendo going to recreate something like that on N5?

Free Radical already created a goldeneyesque game its called Time Splitters 2, it's multiplayer kix arse and it only costs about 20 bucks. :)

[prime_timer]

Well, EA has the right to the James Bond games, and have already butchered it up, with new game, Everything or Nothing, being in the 3rd person perspective. But i still like the james bond series..... i just wish they would till the movie comes out to make a game.

[Jaga]

my cousin was begging my mom for Time Splitters 2... my mom got my second opinon on it and said it sucked...lol... maybe it is good... i never played it... but I'm no fan of shooters

[Just Gabriel]

oh, god...

this is really bugging me...

people keep saying they want nintendo to "shape up" or "change their image. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? If Nintendo changes their image, then the'll just be another Sony or Microsoft. Do you REALLY want that? If you do, go out and buy a PS2 or an Xbox. I am really happy with where Nintendo is going and how they deal with things. By asking for a change, you're just telling Nintendo to conform, and that would make them lose what makes them great. Why should they change? Sure they'd sell better, but then they would be the same as everyone else, so what would be the point? How many consoles can you have that play the same games?

[Wh|tE gUy]

All i want Nintendo to do is stop ignoring the North American market. It is like they refuse to admit there is a world out side of Japan. All their decisions seem to be aimed towards pleasing the Japanese public which inadvertantly alienates the American demographic IE Cel shaded Zelda, no mature content, purple console. Not only that, but it takes a hell of a lot longer for the average japanese developed game to reach the states as it does an American game to reach japan. Metroid Prime and Eternal Darkness are better than anything Nintendo of Japan has produced this generation.

Anyone agree? disagree?

[blablamax]

Gabriel Its shouldnt bugging.

We all want Nintendo will survive the Next Generation and the one after it but if they want do any change about they attitude to what their fans want, they will lose us!

for exemple: see all the ones who buys pokemon games, they are all really sucks! they got low quality of graphics and the games are really repeating themselves - we want a good RPG for the Cube and a real new game to the GBA.

[GodCube]

Nintendo is great I love thir game. But they should make more first party and expand the new franchise like pikmin and animal crossing and make new ones...but pikmin as the potential to be more then what we saw.

[NickTheGamer]

Nintendo need to start a little web page.. of what fans want... I think its a great idea!

[Jaga]

yeah, that would be real smart, have fan input and take the best ideas and put it in their system... Nintendo doesn't need a full iamge makeover...they just need to appeal to the older audiences like PS2 and Xbox do... appealing to the older crowd doesn't mean they'll change Nintendo greats like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid, it just means along with those great games will be games for the people who want blood and gore and all that stuff..

[NickTheGamer]

Yea.. really! I mean, of what Nintendo have and with what PS2 has... that would be one powerfull system...

[Shoxx]

Originally posted by Wh|tE gUy
All i want Nintendo to do is stop ignoring the North American market. It is like they refuse to admit there is a world out side of Japan. All their decisions seem to be aimed towards pleasing the Japanese public which inadvertantly alienates the American demographic IE Cel shaded Zelda, no mature content, purple console. Not only that, but it takes a hell of a lot longer for the average japanese developed game to reach the states as it does an American game to reach japan. Metroid Prime and Eternal Darkness are better than anything Nintendo of Japan has produced this generation.

Anyone agree? disagree?

You're absolutely right with everything you just said. But when you think about it, Nintendo has been a little better at releasing games in America after releasing them in Japan. Good example? Mario Kart: Double Dash. They got it in like October, right? We got it in November. Normally the wait time is approx. 3 months to 10 months. But they do need to start fulfilling Americans' interests in their consoles. Why would they make a console purple in the first place? To me, the GameCube looks like a little girl's lunchbox, something you would definitely only want to find in Japan. They should have released the Spice colored GameCube, because that would have just owned.

[Monkeylord]

You can add another 6months on top of that if you're one of us UK/European gamers

BAH!

Personally, I agree with the statement that Nintendo has a kiddy image, but with a small bit of effort this can be built upon with more mature titles to supplement the onslaught of Disney and Shrek titles. You can tell that Nintendo are tryng to rectify this - anyone remember a little series of games called "Resident Evil" or perhapse a whimsical little romp called "Eternal Darkness". Efforts are being made, and more mature games are coming... it's just taking time.

Unfortunately it may not be enough to change peoples image of the Gamecube as it currently stands, but who cares. Gamecube sales have increased 5 fold in the past month or so and all that's being done now will help create an excellent starting position for the N5.

Have faith!

[Rensa]

Dear Ninty, please put grooves in the sides of your next-gen discs: they look damn cool and are useful when playing killer ninjas with friends on the oval. From James. :P

BTW, N5 is a fan-name for the console. Not saying that you're all wrong in using it or anything (I quite like it), but it's not the tentative name or anything like that. :D

[Silliw 2]

Originally posted by GodCube
I dont think that it would make a big difference if they release early. We gotta face it. I'm 17 turning 18 soon enough, and I know for a fact that Nintendo has a poor reputation. I love Nintendo and whenever I say that I have a gamecube people start saying how gay nintendo is and that its for babies. Im sure its like that everywhere. Its over for nintendo. their reputation preceeds them.

Exactly. Same thing happens to me, G-Man. Same freakin' thing.

Everything you guys just said Ninty should do to improve their rep...they won't do. They will do something completley different and say some crap like "It's all about the games. Single player games, online is just a fad, and nobody needs a DVD player or CD burner."

If online is just a fad, how did the internet survivie the 90's?

I'm starting to lose faith in Nintendo. Ninty is like the George Lucas of Video games.

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

Nintendo should also do what Microsoft did and make the N5 able to play CDs while playing a game because lots of people might wanna listen to some 'cool' music instead of some cheery mario tune.

[Spartacus]

Originally posted by codeMatrix
Mario Kart: Double Dash. They got it in like October, right? We got it in November. Normally the wait time is approx. 3 months to 10 months. Actually, they got it about 13 days before us. :)

I still haven't read every thing, so I'll post what I think later.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Wh|tE gUy
All i want Nintendo to do is stop ignoring the North American market. It is like they refuse to admit there is a world out side of Japan. All their decisions seem to be aimed towards pleasing the Japanese public which inadvertantly alienates the American demographic IE Cel shaded Zelda, no mature content, purple console. Not only that, but it takes a hell of a lot longer for the average japanese developed game to reach the states as it does an American game to reach japan. Metroid Prime and Eternal Darkness are better than anything Nintendo of Japan has produced this generation.

Anyone agree? disagree?

I agree with this but mario sunshine came out in japan in july and then in the us in august so they dont take long to port over games. It is that Nitendo does ignore us like when you look at the stastitics sporst games are the #1 selling games in the us but when Nitedo decided to make a sport game or had one they cancelled them.(rumored football game by retro, kobe bryants game by left feild) They canceled it because they say football games only sell well in America not Japan well when madden sells over 7 miliion copies you dont see a business there?Dont get me started on the purple system i think they were trying to get girl gamers aboard again you look at stastitics mostly guys ovr the age of 18 play video games. im starting to little faith in nitendo as a video game competitor.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by GodCube
I dont think that it would make a big difference if they release early. We gotta face it. I'm 17 turning 18 soon enough, and I know for a fact that Nintendo has a poor reputation. I love Nintendo and whenever I say that I have a gamecube people start saying how gay nintendo is and that its for babies. Im sure its like that everywhere. Its over for nintendo. their reputation preceeds them.

You are dead on right. Nintendo is never going to be #1 again, when a company says they dont want every developer behind them how can you be? Nintendo stated that they didnt want to be like Sony(there ratio to 1st and 2nd party to 3rd party games is 20/80). Nintendo say they would never do that. How can you be #1 if you dont have multiple games from every genre, not everyone likes NBA live 2003. They messed up with the N64 and did the same thing with the Gamecube and will do the same thing with the N5 untill they are out of the business. A sytem can't be #1 if they dont have every developer backing them.(playstation2)

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Silliw 2
Exactly. Same thing happens to me, G-Man. Same freakin' thing.

Everything you guys just said Ninty should do to improve their rep...they won't do. They will do something completley different and say some crap like "It's all about the games. Single player games, online is just a fad, and nobody needs a DVD player or CD burner."

If online is just a fad, how did the internet survivie the 90's?

I'm starting to lose faith in Nintendo. Ninty is like the George Lucas of Video games.

Thats what i say to. Nitendo is ignoring online like its not going to be the next big thing for video games it is! They say it isn't plain in simple cause they have no clue how to do online. They dont do online microsoft is already into the business so is sony they make computers. I dont need a cd burner or DVD player but it is an incentive like wal-mart adding grocery stores to there stores it can bring in more business. Wasn't nitendo the 1st to do the multiplayer 4-way split screens the more the better. What if your buddies not around win you want to play what do you do....if it was only you can always find someone to play with.

[Just Gabriel]

Don't double post please! (edit button comes in handy ^_^)


Originally posted by Pied_Piper
you are dead on right. Nitendo is never ... Nitendo stated that ...Nitendo say they ...
haha, I think you know where I'm going in this one :p


What kinda sucks, though, is kids wanna be like older people (older=cool in a 6-year-old's mind)
Basically, this means even if Nintendo has a "reputation" as being "kiddy", even little kids won't play it. Why? They'll be listening to their older brothers or friends that say "Gamecube is for ______s" (fill in any of the many common generalizations)

Sure, they were a little stubborn as far as DVD support and online goes, as while most people really don't need another DVD player, that doesn't stop consumers from seeing it as a plus for other systems that the Cube doesn't have. It's a gadget (another reason why, if the price is right, the psp will sell-but that's for another thread)

[alegoicoe]

Nintendo should erase the idea of the mini disk for the Gamecube

[Wh|tE gUy]

when it comes to consoles, nintendo is all about 2 main criteria:

Afordability and Fast load times.

That is why GC does not have DVD (would have cost an extra 100) and why n64 used cartrages and GC uses mini disks. Personally i prefer the minidisk. I dont care if 1 in 30 games have FMV with compressed sound or picture, i care that ALL of the games have quick load times. However, i am perfectly aware of the fact that many people do not feel the same way

[Shoxx]

I agree, Wh|te gUy. And everyone should also keep in mind that Nintendo is strictly about games, not making their console a fancy, high tech swiss army utility, which is another reason why we don't see DVD playback on the Cube.

[NickTheGamer]

$$$ is the big reason..

[Just Gabriel]

well, the "swiss army knife" thing is actually why there is alot of appeal for other consoles. I know a guy who bought an x-box basically because of the custom soundtrack feature...

[Donny-GCA]

And all of these arguments you guys make culminate to one point - Nintendo is the most profitable console manufactuer even as we speak. They were making profits on the Nintendo GameCube from the very first day it came out of the gate.

Very few of these arguments make a valid point. The online gaming so far hasn't shown to be a stable market on a console, and very well may end up being a blunder - if it isn't a blunder for Microsoft already. How many consoles has Xbox Live pushed? I don't think we'll ever be able to say what impact Xbox Live made for the Xbox because I tend to think games like Halo are largely responsible for the Xbox's success. All of that is regardless of CD ripping and online features.

What I will say is that online offers some great features. I won't deny that an MMORPG of Pokemon for the GameCube would probably be a huge success. It might even catapult Nintendo to a close second behind Sony going into the next generation if it were a launch title or a near-launch title, but as far as most other games are concerned, the online features are a joke in comparison to maintenence costs versus profitability.

If you don't believe me, go dig up some gamer polls to see just how many people say they use online features, how many care about online features, and how many base their gaming decisions on them. The results were pretty surprising. People don't care. Gamers go to their PCs to fire up a game of Counter-Strike. No one goes to the TV to reach out onto the world wide web to play someone in a videogame. It's not accomodating. It's a hassle. There are too many costs involved when gamers have the same thing sitting in the corner of the living room - in many cases with superior graphics capabilities.

End of argument.

[Silliw 2]

Originally posted by codeMatrix
keep in mind that Nintendo is strictly about games, not making their console a fancy, high tech swiss army utility, which is another reason why we don't see DVD playback on the Cube.

I know this, you know this. We both understand it. Now go tell that to a PS2 owner and see what they say.

If somebody has an X-box, with all the crap that comes with it, why in the blue hell would they switch to Cube? a lot of people in my area buying X-Boxes are not true gamers, they are only casual. Ninty does not appeal to casual gamers.

Online is still new, so of course it's not yet a stable market. Let's see where it is in about a year. I for one can say that in the coming years, most of my gaming will be online. I think Sam will agree with me when I say that playing games with people from all over the world is appealing, and I do believe it will one day dominate the gaming market. There's not much hassle involved at all once the online gaming is set up. If I, of all people, can easily access PSO, then a chimpanzee probably can too.

Gaming may one day even be based soley on online gaming, having a single player as an option. But that's only a prediction...

[Just Gabriel]

[Quote] Ninty does not appeal to casual gamers.[Quote]
That's actually mostly true. I know very few casual gamers that own Gamecubes. I wouldn't mind Nintendo appealing to casual gamers at all, but I just don't want them to change their style in order to do that. I like their games the way they are :p

And I'll say this one thing. I'm one of those people who hate to pay for a game after I've already bought it, so even if Nintendo goes online, and the service costs money, I'm out.

[Silliw 2]

Even if it's an Xbox Live type of deal?
Like you pay for a subscription for all games, or do you just mean paying a fee for one game?

[NickTheGamer]

I dont know... people in my school are just starting to buy a GCN... Becasue Mario Kart is so fun...

[Monkeylord]

I'd never pay for an online service. If I wanna play online I'll just use my PC. I already pay for the internet, why would I pay more just to be able to play console games online?

It doesn't make sense!

Yeah, it'd be nice to play some console exclusive games... but if I have to choose between no extra fee and only PC online gaming or Extra fee and PC and console gaming I'll stick with the PC only thanks very much. There's always gonna be similar games to be able to play online so it'll be a small price to pay to keep my bank account from getting too light unecessarily!

[Donny-GCA]

The LAN software implemented in Nintendo's games was a great idea. Fundamentally, it's one of the better online solutions in my opinion.

[NickTheGamer]

It is.. But, its so complicated for the mainstream user... It's not gonna do so well for this reason... If Nintendo put a bit more effort.. GCN would be a bit bigger..

[mario]

I agree with gabriel, that nintendo shouldn't change their resolve on making their system a mulittasker, or trying to appeal to casaul gamers, or putting in an online service. If they did that they would be sony, not nintendo. Im not sure about every one elese, but i like to play games on my game system, listen to cds on my cd player, go online on my computer, and watch dvds on my dvd player. If i wanted to listen to different music while i was playing my game, i would turn a cd player on, and turn down the volume on my TV

[Jaga]

Nintendo would still be Nintendo if it added everything Sony has because it would still be keeping its original stuff, but just adding more. Mario, Zelda, Metroid and the rest of the Nintendo greats would remain because thats the Nintendo core, if Nintendo builds what Sony and Microsoft has arounds its core, then Nintendo will by far pass MS and Sony. Infact, some of my friends said the reason they didn't buy GC is because it doesn't have a DVD player... it sounds crazy that you would buy a system to watch DVD's but people do it, and in business you have to make the people happy...it's like the old saying... "the customer is always right."

[Just Gabriel]

Originally posted by mario
I agree with gabriel, that nintendo shouldn't change their resolve on making their system a mulittasker, or trying to appeal to casaul gamers, or putting in an online service. If they did that they would be sony, not nintendo. Im not sure about every one elese, but i like to play games on my game system, listen to cds on my cd player, go online on my computer, and watch dvds on my dvd player. If i wanted to listen to different music while i was playing my game, i would turn a cd player on, and turn down the volume on my TV

Wow, you surprised me there, dude, there is some intelligence in this man. Sorry about the bumpy start, and keep it up, man.

[NickTheGamer]

Good said Mario...

Starting PS2 Price = $300
DVD Player = $100
Starting GCN Price = $200

The Point?

[Just Gabriel]

Unfortunately, though, people don't see it that way. Consumers (I'm more geared towards casual gamers, but i guess that may be too stereotypical) want to have all they can in one box. If it has more features, they don't care if it costs more; as long as it's got more stuff.

I know some guy (really annoying) who bought a watch just because of the features. That may not SOUND abnormal until you hear what was in the watch. It had the time and date (standard digi watch stuff), then it had the current elevation, the atmoshperic pressure, the temperature, and was about as wide as a gameboy game.

[Jaga]

lol that sounds like a watch somebody i knew had... i would never buy that unless it looked cool and was cheap...

[prime_timer]

Originally posted by mario
I agree with gabriel, that nintendo shouldn't change their resolve on making their system a mulittasker, or trying to appeal to casaul gamers, or putting in an online service. If they did that they would be sony, not nintendo. Im not sure about every one elese, but i like to play games on my game system, listen to cds on my cd player, go online on my computer, and watch dvds on my dvd player. If i wanted to listen to different music while i was playing my game, i would turn a cd player on, and turn down the volume on my TV


Yeah, or turn the game music off in case you cant live without sound effects. Its true what this man says. The CD and DVD in the PS2 and Xbox are really shoddy, and not up to the same quality of that in a straight DVD/CD player

[Donny-GCA]

If it were my decision to make (if I had a say in what Nintendo does), I'd make my online plans focus on LAN and the use of the PC. I'd definitely put something together such that connecting the GameCube to a computer for internet access would be THE way to do it. Some people would be quick to point out that it then makes owning a PC a requirement, but even the poorest console owners own a computer of some sort. I think computers are starting to rival the human race in population. I highly doubt that this would be a market restriction.

As it is right now, online console gaming is a bit of a rip off. Its growth is being stunted by other complications such as the ones listed above. The existence of the PC further stunts the growth and effect of the online market for consoles. Only when these factors become less of a problem will online gaming grow.

So it's not really a matter of if, but a matter of when, and I think predicting this is nearly impossible given the variables at play. It won't be next year or even the year after. I highly doubt the next generation will even see online console gaming explode. It will take a major change in market costs to bring this about. New technology is in order, I'd say.

[Jaga]

online gaming's price is going to be falling... remember how DVD players use to cost like $500 and now they cost as low as $50... well... thats what's probably gonna happen to online gaming value...

[Monkeylord]

I wonder how online gaming will be viewed after Chrimbo... when most online gaming users free subscriptions from last years gifts runs out ;)

I have a feeling most won't wanna pay!

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Jaga
and how late Gamecube came out... Nintendo also needs to be on top of things...
I don't think it has nothing to do with how late the gamecube came out remeber how the PS2 came out a year after the dreamcast. The problem was Nintendo didn't deliver on the games. They came out on fire at launch, much better than PS2, but after that it just went downhill, they came out with less than 10 games a month the 1st half of the 1st year. Nitendo swear this was just a gaming system but 1 year later PS2 had 2-3 times as many games as the gamecube.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Jaga
online gaming's price is going to be falling... remember how DVD players use to cost like $500 and now they cost as low as $50... well... thats what's probably gonna happen to online gaming value...
Uh you cant compare online subscriptions to DVD players, if anything online subscription prices will increase because of more customer service to stop hackers and all the cheating.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Jaga
Nintendo would still be Nintendo if it added everything Sony has because it would still be keeping its original stuff, but just adding more. Mario, Zelda, Metroid and the rest of the Nintendo greats would remain because thats the Nintendo core, if Nintendo builds what Sony and Microsoft has arounds its core, then Nintendo will by far pass MS and Sony. Infact, some of my friends said the reason they didn't buy GC is because it doesn't have a DVD player... it sounds crazy that you would buy a system to watch DVD's but people do it, and in business you have to make the people happy...it's like the old saying... "the customer is always right."
I'm not sure thats true but i do know people who did'nt but gamecube beacause it didn't have a DVD player. Nintendo would still be Nitendo if they would just stop being so picky. Gamecube came out a year after the the PS2 it should have had everything the PS2 had and more. Nintendo just needs to get every developer backing them. People i know say why buy a gamecube when PS2 has the same games and more, they say who wants mario anymore. Plain and simple the market has change people want mature and sports games and PS2 is the best place to get them.

[Wh|tE gUy]

Again, that all applies to the American market. It is the American audience that wants mature titles and is tired of Mario. And as i stated before, Nintendo doesnt give a crap about the American market

[Just Gabriel]

But hey, maybe that's a good thing. I mean, ignoring a large holder of your sales isn't so great, but I'd rather have one japanese-influenced console and 2 american-influenced consoles than 3 of the latter. If you have the money to own all three, it doesn't really matter what features are in which, cause you have them all.

[jozenshin]

lol Wh|tE gUy you quite obviously haven't met the monkeys that run Nintendo Australia.

I agree with gabriel, that nintendo shouldn't change their resolve on making their system a mulittasker, or trying to appeal to casaul gamers, or putting in an online service. If they did that they would be sony, not nintendo. Im not sure about every one elese, but i like to play games on my game system, listen to cds on my cd player, go online on my computer, and watch dvds on my dvd player. If i wanted to listen to different music while i was playing my game, i would turn a cd player on, and turn down the volume on my TV

Nintendo would have looked at what happened with the GameCube and would realise that (IMO of course), that not being able to play DVD's or CD's on the GameCube was a big downsider. There was a study I read a few months back (don't know how much truth behind it) that there are more casual gamers than Avid (hardcore whatever you want to call it) gamers. Now as a business, Nintendo would be very stupid not to include these "gimmicks" that attract people into buying their consoles. Think of it from a perspective of someone who doesn't know anything about consoles and walks into a shop to buy one. Would he/she pick the console that has the ability to play DVD's, CDs, Games, Online etc or would you choose the console that doesn't have any of those features but save yourself and extra $50-100? They'd probably fork out a bit more and get the one with more features.

Nintendo are a business with their main goals being to make money. Why would they sacrifice these features for a few people who think they are stupid rather than not attracting the majority of people who do want them?

(Someone has probably said this already, so i'm sorry if I have repeated)

[Just Gabriel]

Haha, yeah, I've said that a couple times (and mentioned the same concept in the GBA vs PSP thread) but don't worry about it.

Either way, the American market (and maybe other parts of the world like Australia, Europe, etc.) is different from the "mother" country where the Gamecube is being made, although the decisions are based off of NOJ. I do think it's funny, though, how they released the Panasonic Q in Japan and not North America, where here is likely where it would have most helped.

[Silliw 2]

Originally posted by Donny-GCA
If it were my decision to make (if I had a say in what Nintendo does), I'd make my online plans focus on LAN and the use of the PC. I'd definitely put something together such that connecting the GameCube to a computer for internet access would be THE way to do it. Some people would be quick to point out that it then makes owning a PC a requirement, but even the poorest console owners own a computer of some sort. I think computers are starting to rival the human race in population. I highly doubt that this would be a market restriction.


That sounds like a good idea. It would be easy to hook up and everything. Now if they would only do it.

It seems like a lot of people here are worried about Nintendo becoming Sony. That idea is just plain silly. No matter what Nintendo changes their tactics too, no matter what their ads are, and no matter what they add to their consoles, can Sony make Mario? Can Sony make Zelda? Can Sony make Metroid?

Come on, your all saying that the games make Nintendo, then what's the big deal in a marketing change? Games would still be the same. The Cube is the best single player system available, imo. Hopefully, this Warp Pipe deal can help to make it a great multi system too.

[Just Gabriel]

No, it's not so much the console-making style people are worried about in nintendo--it's their game developing style. If they switch focus from the games they're making now (Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.) and spent less time on them, but started to work more towards "mature" gaming, THEN they'd be like sony. (and that would be VERY bad)
By the way, there's only so much marketing can do when people (mostly casual gamers) already have such a strong beleif in Nintendo's reputation.

[Jaga]

well, Nintendo can make its standard favorites, but get OTHERS to make their mature titles...its true they need more 3RD party support... franchsies like Grand Theft Auto and ESPN Sports...

About buying a sperate DVD and whatnot is also not as appealing... for me personally, I don't have enough room under my television to have all those things, i already have a PSX, Genesis, GCN, and VCR under my tv... and its all in my room, and my room is small... so thats where PS2 and Xbox look a little more attractive, its all in one so less space is taken

[mario]

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Nintendo are a business with their main goals being to make money. Why would they sacrifice these features for a few people who think they are stupid rather than not attracting the majority of people who do want them?

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The Point i've reached is that nintendo cares more about making their fans happy rather than making piles of cash, One of the reasons i've come to this conclusion is because they already have plenty of cash. Im not trying to say they don't want a lot of money... im just saying they want to make their fans happy as a main priority. Im not sure if im right about this, but by analyzing all of their choices thus far this is my conclusion. We will see if im right when they release their next console.

[Nintendoh]

N5 shouldn't come out before it's rivals, look at what happened with sega (dreamcast fiascco).

[Jaga]

yeah but look at what happened to PS2... Dreamcast sounded great on paper but it stunk when you played it, they had like no good games...even their main game Sonic stunk... if Nintendoi brings a great attack early they cna come on top with ease... look at what happened when they brought out NES, SNES, GB...they dominated...

[NickTheGamer]

It had good games... just it was not high tech as the others..

[Jaga]

didn't NES have Atari to compete with... wasn' Atari like 64 bit and NES had 8 bit... technology was up their...

[Wh|tE gUy]

Nintendo is smarter than to pull a Sega. They know not to release their system a year in advance. By saying they want to release n5 before the competitors they mean by a few weeks, possibly 1 or 2 months.

[COTTON]

Originally posted by Wh|tE gUy
By saying they want to release n5 before the competitors they mean by a few weeks, possibly 1 or 2 months.

I think you are absolutely correct about that!

[NickTheGamer]

I dont know if the whole early thing is that great... how great is it is the problem... ps2 is doing the best becasue it just is the best for the mainstream people...

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Donny-GCA
And all of these arguments you guys make culminate to one point - Nintendo is the most profitable console manufactuer even as we speak. They were making profits on the Nintendo GameCube from the very first day it came out of the gate.

Very few of these arguments make a valid point. The online gaming so far hasn't shown to be a stable market on a console, and very well may end up being a blunder - if it isn't a blunder for Microsoft already. How many consoles has Xbox Live pushed? I don't think we'll ever be able to say what impact Xbox Live made for the Xbox because I tend to think games like Halo are largely responsible for the Xbox's success. All of that is regardless of CD ripping and online features.

What I will say is that online offers some great features. I won't deny that an MMORPG of Pokemon for the GameCube would probably be a huge success. It might even catapult Nintendo to a close second behind Sony going into the next generation if it were a launch title or a near-launch title, but as far as most other games are concerned, the online features are a joke in comparison to maintenence costs versus profitability.

If you don't believe me, go dig up some gamer polls to see just how many people say they use online features, how many care about online features, and how many base their gaming decisions on them. The results were pretty surprising. People don't care. Gamers go to their PCs to fire up a game of Counter-Strike. No one goes to the TV to reach out onto the world wide web to play someone in a videogame. It's not accomodating. It's a hassle. There are too many costs involved when gamers have the same thing sitting in the corner of the living room - in many cases with superior graphics capabilities.

End of argument.
You can't go by how succcesful online gaming is on consoles this generation. To me online this generation is more like a beta test for next generation, were every console should have the required hardward buit in. The reason people go to PC instead of consoles is because its been there and online is established there. Only microsoft has hardware built in look at large user base. Check your forums again to see how many people actually prefer consoles to PC. Its the cost of upgrading a pc graphics card every six months when compared to console where that time can be years.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Nintendoh
N5 shouldn't come out before it's rivals, look at what happened with sega (dreamcast fiascco).
I really don't think it matters when they launch if you can remember sony was already releasing pre-spechs for the PS3 when the PS2 launched. So Nintendo already had an idea of what they are going up against. All they need to do is match or beat those spechs. Look at the technology of the gamecube has compared to the PS2. There really isnt a big difference even though the gamecube came out a year later. These next generation systems are going to be closely related. Sony and Nintendo is getting help from IBM on CPU processors. Microsoft and Nintendo are getting help from ATI to make graphic processors.

[prime_timer]

Make that Sony, Nintendo, AND Microsoft. They too got IBM to make them a processor. PS3 is trying to do that whole 'CELL' thing. Its probally going to cost them a pretty penny, so expect a straight good ol' console from Sony next round. And i think the whole Nintendo/AOL thing could work alot like Xbox LIVE, only use AOL servers to connect, have a buddy list like AIM, and aan open chat(voice preferabally ;) ). Well, we'll all see the wonders that the 3 competitors offer us in 2005/06

[NickTheGamer]

"prime_timer" I really like your last few posts on the forum... a buddy list idea? That would rock hard!!! AOL is great at making surrounding and all...

[Silliw 2]

Originally posted by Gabriel
No, it's not so much the console-making style people are worried about in nintendo--it's their game developing style. If they switch focus from the games they're making now (Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.) and spent less time on them, but started to work more towards "mature" gaming, THEN they'd be like sony. (and that would be VERY bad)


Originally posted by Jaga
well, Nintendo can make its standard favorites, but get OTHERS to make their mature titles...its true they need more 3RD party support... franchsies like Grand Theft Auto and ESPN Sports...


Took the words right outta my mouth.

[jozenshin]

Originally posted by mario
The Point i've reached is that nintendo cares more about making their fans happy rather than making piles of cash, One of the reasons i've come to this conclusion is because they already have plenty of cash. Im not trying to say they don't want a lot of money... im just saying they want to make their fans happy as a main priority. Im not sure if im right about this, but by analyzing all of their choices thus far this is my conclusion. We will see if im right when they release their next console. [/B]

No way man! Fanbase is very important to Nintendo but it certainly isn't their main priority. Making money is. Without money you can't support your fanbase and without a fanbase you're basically up sh*t creek.

[prime_timer]

Originally posted by Silliw 2


Come on, your all saying that the games make Nintendo, then what's the big deal in a marketing change? Games would still be the same. The Cube is the best single player system available, imo. Hopefully, this Warp Pipe deal can help to make it a great multi system too.

Im not so sure about that one. I think Cube is the best party machine, good if youve got three buddies over. Just look at all the 4 player gaames it has! the list goes on and on. The Xbox is obviously the best online system, aand i think the PS2 is your loner console. The Playstation 2 gets the wealth of RPG's, and many other games with only one player at a time (Castlevania, Jak 2, Ratchet and Clank, FFX2). It didnt even come with 4 controller ports built in like GC and Xbox did.

[Shoxx]

I agree about the PS2... it does seem like the loner console ;)

[Donny-GCA]

Now, take out the 'n' and replace it with an 's'. :)

[Jaga]

lol... loner (with n) loser (with s)... true it... Xbox and GCN are more built for people with friends...

[Wh|tE gUy]

which is actually ironic because i guarantee more losers (percentage wise) own either XBOX or GC than PS2. Ps2 is built for the average gamer

[Shoxx]

I see a good argument coming...

[Donny-GCA]

Nah, no arguments are coming. It was all in good fun. I won't tolerate console wars.

I happen to like the Playstation 2. Xbox is my least favorite. And for the record, I think the majority of people are losers (myself included), so that'd give the PS2 the largest installed base of losers. :p

[Jaga]

hehe...i'm a winner, i own a GCN... i was so tempted to get a PS2 when it came out... i almost bought it but some dude took the last PS2 in the store so I couldn't get one...thats how close I was going to be to owning a PS2...i would be on the PS2 bandwagon if i got that first...but here i got a GCN first and thats the wagon i'm on...happy to be on it as well...!

[Just Gabriel]

Originally posted by prime_timer
Im not so sure about that one. I think Cube is the best party machine, good if youve got three buddies over. Just look at all the 4 player gaames it has! the list goes on and on. The Xbox is obviously the best online system, aand i think the PS2 is your loner console. The Playstation 2 gets the wealth of RPG's, and many other games with only one player at a time (Castlevania, Jak 2, Ratchet and Clank, FFX2). It didnt even come with 4 controller ports built in like GC and Xbox did.

Again, I disagree with you there. 5 minutes ago, I just got back from a huge Xbox LAN party (a bunch of friends from school scraped together 4 Xboxes, TVs, LAN cables, and a router) and we played Halo (not a great single player game, but INSANELY fun playing with 16 people) from 3pm-9pm (10 minutes ago). When some were eating pizza, others played Fusion Frenzy (4 players) on two of the Xboxes. It was a great time. However, the cube is probably the best combination system, as it has good elements of both multiplayer and single player (while the PS2 is the best for single player)

[NickTheGamer]

Originally posted by Jaga
hehe...i'm a winner, i own a GCN... i was so tempted to get a PS2 when it came out... i almost bought it but some dude took the last PS2 in the store so I couldn't get one...thats how close I was going to be to owning a PS2...i would be on the PS2 bandwagon if i got that first...but here i got a GCN first and thats the wagon i'm on...happy to be on it as well...!

PS2 is still a great system! Get both!

[alegoicoe]

Half life 2 for the N5 that sounds tasty

[Just Gabriel]

Haha, I never said that the PS2 is bad, just the Xbox is great for multiplayer, and the Gamecube is good for a bit of both.
I actually own a PS2, and a Gamecube (I plan on getting an Xbox within the month or so)

[alegoicoe]

The best thing about XBOX is the great microsoft support, and XBOX Live.

[prime_timer]

Originally posted by Gabriel
Again, I disagree with you there. 5 minutes ago, I just got back from a huge Xbox LAN party (a bunch of friends from school scraped together 4 Xboxes, TVs, LAN cables, and a router) and we played Halo (not a great single player game, but INSANELY fun playing with 16 people) from 3pm-9pm (10 minutes ago). When some were eating pizza, others played Fusion Frenzy (4 players) on two of the Xboxes. It was a great time. However, the cube is probably the best combination system, as it has good elements of both multiplayer and single player (while the PS2 is the best for single player)

Well, you got me there. Xbox is very good at multiplayer. Like a PC 4 people can get on! And Microsoft doesnt realize how huge LAN parties are. if you dont beleive me, go to www.bluealien.org

Those guys just plan enormous LAN parties and hang out all night eating pizza, playing Unreal Tournament, Diablo, Rune, Half-Life (with the CS mod sometimes) and any other insanely fun multiplayer LAN game. Microsoft should have made an advertising campaign boasting the Xbox's powerful system link capabilities.

And in case your wondering why i took so damn long to get vack on... my dad was hogging the computer all day >:(

[Jaga]

Originally posted by NickTheGamer
PS2 is still a great system! Get both!

Nah... PS2's time is running out...I'm going to wait for PS3/N5/Xbox 2 and see which is best...

[Shoxx]

That's an easy one to answer. Xbox 2 is obviously going to be the best.

[Silliw 2]

Originally posted by codeMatrix
That's an easy one to answer. Xbox 2 is obviously going to be the best.

Why?

[prime_timer]

Well, i'm not going to say which one is going to be the best, but Xbox haas a foot up on everyone else, becaause they did online right the 1st time. If Xbox 2 allows backwards compatability, and lets you port your current Xbox LIVE gamertag to the next system, then they'll definently have an edge. But if they make you re-subscribe, and it wont let you play old xbox games, then people will probally have a hair up somewhere they wont want it

[Shoxx]

I'm sure Microsoft is going to be backwards compatible with the Xbox 2. If you think about it, once some people get the new systems, they're going to want to get rid of their old ones (me, I won't, I'm gonna keep my XB). So, they make their new consoles backwards compatible so that people can keep playing their old games. Microsoft knows that will sell more consoles.

[prime_timer]

Yeah. Look at what happened with Sony.

Is it just me, or is this the most popular thread on the entire forum?

[NickTheGamer]

Originally posted by Jaga
Nah... PS2's time is running out...I'm going to wait for PS3/N5/Xbox 2 and see which is best...

Look at the sales.. lol, i dont think its running out...

[Shoxx]

Well, sales have to slow down at some point, and I think they're finally slowing down for Sony, especially with the GameCube's price drop back in September.

And no, this isn't the most popular thread on the forums yet, I think Person Above You still is.

[NickTheGamer]

lol, Sony have beaten Nintendo so bad already... I think everyone already have a ps2 by now.. if sony lower there price... they would kill nintendo..

[Shoxx]

Nah, I don't think so. Like you said, you think everyone has a PS2 by now. So why would they buy another one?

[NickTheGamer]

Do you even know how bad Sony killed everyone already? Even some of the Sony haters here in the forum are thinking about getting one this christmas..

[Lovebird]

i saw some strange pic of wat it was supposedly gonna look like....it looked like a gray lady bug like contraption w/ all wireless controllers and a huge red power button....has anyone else seen this?

[Messiah]

i havent seen any pics of the console yet, i'm guessing the one you saw PatrickMugan was a clever fake.

[Lovebird]

i though so....but it was really cool looking...

[Shoxx]

Originally posted by PatrickMugan
i saw some strange pic of wat it was supposedly gonna look like....it looked like a gray lady bug like contraption w/ all wireless controllers and a huge red power button....has anyone else seen this?

The Nexus? Yep, I've seen it. (There's a pic of that in the June or July issue of EGM). But, it's not real.

[Lovebird]

too bad, i thout it was pretty snazzy.....but that wpoould be cool if it had the entire wireless controller thing...

[Jaga]

the last thing Nintendo needs is a lady bug for their system... the thought is making me laugh... but it would be tight if Nintendo's next system would have all wireless controllers... althought, it would be pretty expensive... but bad if you had little siblings cause they may run off with it...

[Shoxx]

Here it is right here... forgot I had it saved to my computer.

Doesn't look like that much of a lady bug to me.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by codeMatrix
That's an easy one to answer. Xbox 2 is obviously going to be the best.
And what do you have to base this on? I would say based on what i know that Nintendo's next is going to be the best system. IBM made a supercomputer based on the CPU prossecer of Nintendo's next conslole. I hear more and about Sony's prossecer everyday. I have yet to hear anything on Microsoft's next system besides "it will be out before the next world cup".

[Shoxx]

Well, the possibilities of Xbox Live's successor launching with the console, and a crapload of new features that everyone will like will pretty much determine MS's success in the next generation.

[Jaga]

That Nexus system looks wierd, but pretty cool at the same time... for the next system Nintendo has partnerships with how many people to make the best console?

[blablamax]

I didnt understand your question JAGA ..

anyway the Nexus looks pretty nice, great 3D modell...

[Nigel]

Originally posted by GodCube
I dont think that it would make a big difference if they release early. We gotta face it. I'm 17 turning 18 soon enough, and I know for a fact that Nintendo has a poor reputation. I love Nintendo and whenever I say that I have a gamecube people start saying how gay nintendo is and that its for babies. Im sure its like that everywhere. Its over for nintendo. their reputation preceeds them.


I disagree... there is something about Nintendo that draws people. Maybe it's the classic attraction to Mario and Donkey Kong, or the love for innovative games where their favorite secondary character is the star. Either way, the characters at Nintendo are much more distinguished, recognizable, and have a much larger fan base than Playstation's Crash Bandicoot, Sony's Sonic, and whatever the hell Microsoft will steal.

[Monkeylord]

Hell, I'm 25 soon 26 and I've been drawn to each Nintendo console released! there's just something about the games that attracts me and I can't quite put my finger on it. Nintendo is the Wonka of the Gaming industry. There's lots of developers out there, but somehow Nintendo manages to do their games with something extra. There's something about them that that shines brighter than any other games. They've had appeal for me since I was little.

[Lovebird]

that nexus isn't wat is saw....wat i saw was snes grey, was a circle with little circles in each...well....corner....had a front drive, flip top drive thing, huge red power button, it wasn't that nexuxs thing...

[Lovebird]

but that nexus does look sweet......

[Jaga]

oops... i don't know what i was smoking...my question was... who has Nintendo partnered up with to make their next generation console...theirs AOL, which I assume will be for online purposes, and IBM for their graphics chip I assume...who else?

[Shoxx]

Originally posted by PatrickMugan
that nexus isn't wat is saw....wat i saw was snes grey, was a circle with little circles in each...well....corner....had a front drive, flip top drive thing, huge red power button, it wasn't that nexuxs thing...

Um... that was a Playstation 3 fake, not a Nintendo fake.

And stop double posting... there IS an edit post button.

[prime_timer]

Originally posted by Jaga
oops... i don't know what i was smoking...my question was... who has Nintendo partnered up with to make their next generation console...theirs AOL, which I assume will be for online purposes, and IBM for their graphics chip I assume...who else?

No, no my friend, youve got it a little mixed up. AOL will be the preferred ISP of the N5 (if it gets online), and AOL will likely package demo disks for your PC with N5 online enabled games.
IBM will be making the processor, and ATI will provide the graphics chip.

There you have it.

and the nexus looks frikkin sweet. almost like a weird printer :D

[Nigel]

God, do we have to integrate the internet into everything? I love technology, but I'd like to keep things separate. The last thing I need is my GameBoy getting hacked lol!

[Nintendoh]

will n5 use flippers or radeon chips (please radeon)

[Jaga]

by 2005 I'm sure computers will have at least 1024 MB Ram and a speed of 3.5 GHZ so N5 better be AT LEAST that fast and powerful with a SUPER GFX chip because by 2005 that what we'll probably have... we should also be able to surf the net on N5 iand have all teh AOL features on N5 if their teaming with AOL...will their be a GBA/GB port on N5? If so, then count that system in my house 100%....

[Shoxx]

The possibility of a GBA/GB port on N5 sounds stupid to me... handheld games are meant to be played on a handheld, not on a home console. Which is why I don't own a Gameboy Player.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by codeMatrix
Well, the possibilities of Xbox Live's successor launching with the console, and a crapload of new features that everyone will like will pretty much determine MS's success in the next generation. What?......Your basing microsoft's success based on the future features of XBOX live? You can't do that. All these features companies add is always a plus for the consumer and a good reason to pursway them to buy a perticular console. But, it all really comes down to the games. And everyone knows you find the best games on PS2 and the gamecube.(based on sells) This is how i see the next generation ending either of the next to ways. Sony releases a console that is either too exspensive for the average consumer or loose so much money off of it they will be hurting to make any profits. Nintendo gains more market share cause there console is affordable and brings back alot of third parties. Microsoft decides to quit the console market(cause they lost nearly 6 billion off the XBOX by now) cause they dont know what there doing anyway and goes back to just making software. Scenerio 2: Sony console still is #1 and people buy it no matter what it cost because of all the added features like surfing the net and more, and they continue to dominate. Nintendo stays #2 and microsoft stays #3.

[Shoxx]

Originally posted by Pied_Piper
What?......Your basing microsoft's success based on the future features of XBOX live? You can't do that. All these features companies add is always a plus for the consumer and a good reason to pursway them to buy a perticular console. But, it all really comes down to the games. And everyone knows you find the best games on PS2 and the gamecube.(based on sells) This is how i see the next generation ending either of the next to ways. Sony releases a console that is either too exspensive for the average consumer or loose so much money off of it they will be hurting to make any profits. Nintendo gains more market share cause there console is affordable and brings back alot of third parties. Microsoft decides to quit the console market(cause they lost nearly 6 billion off the XBOX by now) cause they dont know what there doing anyway and goes back to just making software. Scenerio 2: Sony console still is #1 and people buy it no matter what it cost because of all the added features like surfing the net and more, and they continue to dominate. Nintendo stays #2 and microsoft stays #3.

No, I wasn't basing it on the features of Xbox Live, but the features of the next Xbox itself. Microsoft is going to have all sorts of new ideas that are going to help it beat Nintendo next time.

And for the record, Microsoft is supposedly still #2, even with the GameCube price drop.

[NickTheGamer]

Microsoft will never make it in the gaming world if it never had such money... there loosing so much money from the xbox.. its making it worse for them anyway..

[Wh|tE gUy]

They have lost about a billion so far. Thats a TON of money. If sony had lost that much on ps1 there would be no ps2

[Just Gabriel]

See, but Microsoft has VERY deep pockets, and once they've used enough to ensure their grip on the console market, then they'll start working to start gaining money instead of losing it. While they may have said they planned on gaining money through software sales, this was likely not the case. They tricked people into overlooking their long-term motive--control over the videogame industry, in which they would have the same profits Sony has been reaping since the PS. It probably will happen, and depending on how they play through the next five to ten years, they will either wait in the background for Microsoft's Sony-like reign to give way to either Nintendo or the next big guy, or simply die out like Sega did (which I hope is not the case).

That's how I see it.

[Wh|tE gUy]

Theres a sort of catch 22 when it comes to M$ and success in the videogame industry. So far they have been fairly successful in the western markets IE North America and Europe. They are successful because of their more mature image, game content, and just their aim towards pleasing older demographics. However, there will never be a truly successful game company that does not win over the japanese market. In order to do so, tho, they would have to change what makes them so successful over here.

[Shoxx]

Yeah, the Japanese tend to enjoy those Pokemon-style collect-this style games that really irritate me.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Wh|tE gUy
Theres a sort of catch 22 when it comes to M$ and success in the videogame industry. So far they have been fairly successful in the western markets IE North America and Europe. They are successful because of their more mature image, game content, and just their aim towards pleasing older demographics. However, there will never be a truly successful game company that does not win over the japanese market. In order to do so, tho, they would have to change what makes them so successful over here. I dont think they would have to change they just need more japanese support. Look at it how many japanese publishers actually support them? That has alot to do with the reason why they selling so close to gamecube. They have more Amerrican publishers supporting them. Nintendo is loosing American piblishers by the day. The tides are the changing the japanese games are not the powerhouse they use to be 10 years ago look at capcoms recent offerings. They make some great games but it really comes down to region. Its getting like this Americans are starting to buy more American made software, Japanese continue to support there japanese companies over there they just dont like Ameriacan made games etc.

[Jaga]

I use to love violent games, but not anymore. Killing isn't really all that fun, and thats what the American market likes. Believe it or not, I think video games does play a part in violence in the real world. I use to play violent games ALOT and I use to get in fights ALOT. Now a days I usually play sports games and games like Mario Sunshine and I don't get in any fights. Maybe I changed you say? I got DBZ: Budokai a couple of weeks ago and i noticed I've had alot less patience for things...and that maybe those researches and all are right that violent games led to violent behavior...

[prime_timer]

Originally posted by codeMatrix
Yeah, the Japanese tend to enjoy those Pokemon-style collect-this style games that really irritate me.

True dat. The Japanese will probally enjoy True Fantasy Live Online. That game looks awesome, and its going to make full use of the voice communicator. its going to be great.

[Shoxx]

Your sig is a little big... can you resize it a little bit?

Anyway, yes, I'm sure the Japanese will enjoy TFO.

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

I've seen lots of people on this thread saying Nintendo needs to change their games if they want to get the mainstreams attention. But if you think about it, that's not really the case. I don't think Nintendo should try to get a lot of casul gamers attention until N5. But if they tried to they would need to ADD (not change) some games, such as some third party titles (they're doing good with that at the moment, though) and mature-rated games. But they would mainly need to change advertising and the image they have and make both real "cool". Now with the N5 I think they are going to probably have to add a crapload of new features, like MS, to attract the mainstream. I don't think the mainstream audience will ever change and Nintendo is going to have to do stuff to please them. Even if it forces hardcore gamers to pay more for all the gay new features. They should leave their games the same though and people would realize how good Nintendo is. Also, like I said with the GC, they need to make advertising real "cool" on the N5.

[prime_timer]

I must be the only person who sees this, or the only one who cares. Yes, we need more mature titles, but everyone seems to forget that we need SPORTS titles also. We've only got one line-up of quality sports titles, and the Midway extreme sports. Nintendo needs to appoint a studio or create one that will develop exclusive multiplayer titles and include the things they want like GBA connectivity or if they have it by then, online features. No one ever talks about sports. its driving me nuts!

[Jaga]

Xtreme CHRI$$ your absolutly correct, Nintendo doesn't need to change its games it needs to add more 3rd party titles. Adding a whole lot of features will also play to their advantage.

prime_timer your right as well. Sega pulled their outstanding series of sports games. Nintendo really needs that ESPN Sport goodness Sega is giving to Xbox/PS2... really the only two sport companies that stand out to me are ESPN Sports (Formally Sega Sports) annd EA Sports...

[David85]

Originally posted by Jaga
Xtreme CHRI$$ your absolutly correct, Nintendo doesn't need to change its games it needs to add more 3rd party titles.


And why aren't there as many 3rd party game? Oh ya, it's because Nintendo isn't mainstream and the owners don't buy the 3rd party crap games. If the 3rd party doesn't want to release a game for a Nintendo system then Nintendo can't do much, besides pay them off. And if Nintendo paid everyone for games then they would go under.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by prime_timer
I must be the only person who sees this, or the only one who cares. Yes, we need more mature titles, but everyone seems to forget that we need SPORTS titles also. We've only got one line-up of quality sports titles, and the Midway extreme sports. Nintendo needs to appoint a studio or create one that will develop exclusive multiplayer titles and include the things they want like GBA connectivity or if they have it by then, online features. No one ever talks about sports. its driving me nuts!
I agree with this but look at the reason sega cancelled their sports titles. They only sold like 7 thousand copies of NBA 2K2 for the gamecube. Madden isnt that much of a big seller on the gamecube either. The problem is there is no market for it on the gamecube. Maybe if they would have launched with 2 or 3 simulation sports titles it would be different.

[karter316]

About the Nexus though, it says 256bit iT memory. Not exactly Nintendo style.....

[karter316]

NOOOOOO! No more 3rd party games!! Look at the stats! They're crap! -strictly opinion

[Jaga]

how long was NBA 2K2 actually out their? it was a direct port of the dreamcast version and 2K3 came out a few months later so buying 2K2 was sort of pointless...

[prime_timer]

Yeah, really. I wish that they would've made the Gamecube version of Castle Wolfenstein... DAMN YOU id SOFTWARE!!

[Kaizoku_Kouji]

I just think Nintendo had better up their supposed age group target. So many people I know switched to Xbox because they thought GCN was too "kiddie". And to them I say, "BAH!" I just hope this doesn't happen again.

[karter316]

Yeah what's up with that kiddie crap anyway? Gamecube is just as teenish as xbox. When it comes to the good games anyway.

[David85]

Originally posted by karter316
Yeah what's up with that kiddie crap anyway? Gamecube is just as teenish as xbox. When it comes to the good games anyway.


No it's not. All Xbox and PS2 fanboys want are the same old boring hit and kill games. Nintendo doesn't do that as much and because of that people think Nintendo is "kiddie".

[Just Gabriel]

I don't remember exactly which thread I head it from (probably this one) but somebody commented on how Nintendo won't use Gamecube 2 unlike Sony and Microsoft who just add a number to their console name, but will come up with an original name instead. Before you accept this as truth, let I remind you of the lineup of Nintendo consoles of the past...

Nintendo
Super Nintendo
Nintendo 64

it could also be said with the Gameboy series

Gameboy
Gameboy Color
Gameboy Advance
Gameboy Elite (supposedly)

[Lovebird]

hey, i was wondering, i that nexus thing real? has it been confirmed and what not? or is it just a cool fake?

[Just Gabriel]

no, actually, the nexus was fake. In fact, it was modelled more than a year ago now. It isn't a horrible design, but I think more "mainstream" or (dare I say it) "casual" gamers would rather have another VCR sitting next to their TV than a "cube" or that thing.

[Wh|tE gUy]

FAKE

nexus is FAKE

it is as real as any picture you saw of the "dolphin" before you saw the final model of the gamecube

once and for all:
NEXUS IS FAKE

[I'mSuperAwesome!]

Originally posted by Jaga
N5, the tenative name for Nintendo's next generation console is something I'm looking foward to... although I don't know anything about it I have some ideas on what Nintendo should do, or at least take under consideration. They make a compilation CD or CDS of the greatest Super Nintendo, Nintendo, and N64 games and have them avalible on the new system. They should also have Gamecube games playable on N5. If they can up their online gaming, as well as add some nifty features, like the ability to play and burn DVD and Music CDs, and fix their image to make it seem to the stubborn older audience that Gamecube isn't only for kids but it is also for them, Nintendo will be on top. Infact, if those things can be accomplished by Nintendo, their is no way in this world Sony and Microsoft can stand a chance. Nintendo will blow them away to smitheriness....

i dont need no Burner Crap thats what my PC is for

[Jaga]

Originally posted by Gabriel-GCA
I don't remember exactly which thread I head it from (probably this one) but somebody commented on how Nintendo won't use Gamecube 2 unlike Sony and Microsoft who just add a number to their console name, but will come up with an original name instead. Before you accept this as truth, let I remind you of the lineup of Nintendo consoles of the past...

Nintendo
Super Nintendo
Nintendo 64

it could also be said with the Gameboy series

Gameboy
Gameboy Color
Gameboy Advance
Gameboy Elite (supposedly)

For the home consoles Nintendo is the name of the company. Their first console was called "entertainment system" like sony's is called "playstation" then their second system was called super entertainment system and then just "64" and now Gamecube, so its different. As for GameBoy, its just a handheld console, if its fun its all good...

[karter316]

Chances are they aren't going to make the next system much like gamecube. Just look at the differences between NES than SNES, or SNES to N64. I think the next system is going to be much more different. As for the name I have no clue.

[karter316]

Alright David85 you got a point there. But Gamecube does have its mature games as well.

[Lovebird]

frankly, i don't care what the name is gona be like...as long as the system itself is good, i could care less about the name. but as for the whole "mature" games thing, if you look at a game rating when buying a game, and if it's not M so you don't buy it, well you're an idiot. if a game doesn't have blood, gore, sex, or explicit language, does it suck? no. hey, everyone loves mario, but does that have blood gore and sex? no. same with zelda, and about every other hugely popular franchise. so just because a game if rated M, doesn't make it anymore mature, in fact, the way I see it, it's lesss mature to like mature games more than E or T games just because they have blood, gore, sex, or language and not they're fun or interesting...

[Jaga]

yeah alot of great games are rated E...all the sports games, mario, zelda; and then alot of great titles are T; all the fighting games, metroid, and i think Final Fantasy.

[Lovebird]

see, that's exactly what i mean! people will make fun of nintendo games because they're aren't rated M, but then they'll go play madden of nba live or whatever and don't say, "hey, i can't shoot the other team cause i'm losing, this blows, this is gay, blahblahlbah, i'm a friggin idiot." yep...:p....that's exactly what they say....

[Lovebird]

Also, i believe mintendo will hold off major first party titles(zelda, metroid, mario, etc.) for the launch of the N5...that would be insanely awesome, since the gcn launch was quite crappy, but imagine....when you get the N5, the first games you get are Zrlda, Mario, Metroid, F-Zero, Donkey Kong, and hopefully Fire Emblem(since it's comin out for gcn...why not N5?)or even a pokemon game.....with a starting lineup like that, no way N5 could be defeeated....well, at least it would really give it a huge push..........

[Boondock Saint]

Originally posted by Wh|tE gUy
FAKE

nexus is FAKE

it is as real as any picture you saw of the "dolphin" before you saw the final model of the gamecube

once and for all:
NEXUS IS FAKE

dolphin was the codename for the N64...ass.

so yeah...take that knower-of-all-things nintendo.

[karter316]

Man, all he made was an easy mistake, so why are you swearing at him? Anyway, I agree with Patrick Muligan, start with games that are great sellers to all personal preferences, but I would ad some 3rd party games, too. I like the idea of FE for the N5 (or whatever the next system is going to be.)

[Shoxx]

Originally posted by Boondock Saint
dolphin was the codename for the N64...ass.

so yeah...take that knower-of-all-things nintendo.

WRONG. Dolphin was the codename for the GameCube. Nintendo Ultra System was the codename for the N64, supposedly.

[Matt]

Originally posted by codeMatrix
WRONG. Dolphin was the codename for the GameCube. Nintendo Ultra System was the codename for the N64, supposedly.

WRONG

Nintendo 64 codename was Project Reality. Nintendo Ultra 64 was the name it was going to be released with originally, then Nintendo changed it.

[Shoxx]

Fine, be that way... all I know is that the N64 has NUS-001 on the bottom of it, or something like that, so I took a shot at what it was.

[Jaga]

Zelda, Mario, Metroid released at the begining will be toward the sucess of Nintendo... is GTA making its way for N5?

[prime_timer]

Originally posted by PatrickMugan
frankly, i don't care what the name is gona be like...as long as the system itself is good, i could care less about the name. but as for the whole "mature" games thing, if you look at a game rating when buying a game, and if it's not M so you don't buy it, well you're an idiot. if a game doesn't have blood, gore, sex, or explicit language, does it suck? no. hey, everyone loves mario, but does that have blood gore and sex? no. same with zelda, and about every other hugely popular franchise. so just because a game if rated M, doesn't make it anymore mature, in fact, the way I see it, it's lesss mature to like mature games more than E or T games just because they have blood, gore, sex, or language and not they're fun or interesting...

Yeah. Pats favorite game, Animal Crossing, is rated E.... and look at how addicting this game is!! This game could put crack to shame for the love of God. and chances are, most Xbox or PS2 owners wont give it a shot because of that E rating.... then they go off and play Madden or Project Gotham Racing saying 'E rated games suck'

[prime_timer]

Originally posted by Jaga
but it would be tight if Nintendo's next system would have all wireless controllers... althought, it would be pretty expensive... but bad if you had little siblings cause they may run off with it...

Yeah, all wireless controllers would be sweet.... but it would be an extreme pain in the ass for stores to set up displays, or constantly have to change out the batteries because the controllers keep dying... well maybe not, nintendo could implement the lithium ion battery technology of the GBA SP in the next gen controllers, and always have them plugged in :D . See, im not as dumb as you think i am

[Jaga]

u should have teh option to be able to plug them in if you want but also have them wireless if you want that... stores wouldn;t have a problem (except for changign teh batteries) in keep the controllers because they chain down the controllers in one spot anyways so nobody steals it so... you know

[Wh|tE gUy]

actually stores wont have a problem with wireless controllers. You can just set them up like they are now, to that black rubber hose thing. The hose is connected to the controller not the cord.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by Boondock Saint
dolphin was the codename for the N64...ass.

so yeah...take that knower-of-all-things nintendo.
Uh, no white guy is right gamecube's code name was dolphin before it got that final name.

[Wh|tE gUy]

lol i didnt even see his reply to that. Good try boon, maybe next time try talking about something you actually know before you try and put someone in their place... ass

[Shoxx]

Originally posted by Jaga
Zelda, Mario, Metroid released at the begining will be toward the sucess of Nintendo... is GTA making its way for N5?

More than likely not.

[blablamax]

Rockstar have no interest to support the Cube or the N5,so it really not likely to see GTA or any onther R* title on Nintendo home console.

I think the idea of wireless is great

[WarAllTheTime]

Rumors have been goin around that Rockstar and Sony are striking a deal that will make GTA theirs exclusively for like 5 years I think...which could be good(or bad) considering if your gonna get the PS3 anyway.

[blablamax]

This rumor cannot be true becuase Xbox will get soon GTA pack include GTA vice city and one of the previus games I think...

[Jaga]

thats already out. GTA would probably sell much better on GameCube and probably entice more people to buy GameCube which in result will have more people by GTA for it. Nintendo it self already has mighty games, and i think if GTA joins them, then they would sell mighty well on N5...

[Cooolcorey]

GTA III/VC will not entice more people to buy the GameCube, because everyone that owns a PS2/XBox/PC that wants the game, already has it for that system.

[Shoxx]

Not just that, but a lot of people don't buy a console to play a particular game. You're not gonna see someone go "Hey, GTA on the GameCube... I must buy a cube for that game only!" So, it wouldn't entice people to buy the cube, because most people don't like a lot of Nintendo's games. (Because of the "kiddie" image).

[Cooolcorey]

One thing I have to say about the "kiddie" image, is I think in a lot of mainstream gamers' minds, they don't really see the GameCube as kiddie, that's just the impression we onliners get because all of the online PS2 fanboys say that. What Nintendo needs is really cool looking advertising so that the kids know that the Nintendo systems and great games exist.

I mean I see lots of cool and genuinely funny XBox/PS2 commercials, and the GameCube ones often times make me embarrassed for Nintendo. I know the advertising thing has been discussed before, but everyone says that they can't change their "kiddie" image, and I think that many casual gamers don't even see Nintendo as kiddie.

Many people at school know that I'm a video game dude, and recently they've seen the GameCube in the Best Buy ad, and they ask me if the GameCube is any good. They don't make fun of me for liking the "kiddy" system, because they don't see it that way. Maybe that's just at my school, but I really think that it's the case more often than people think.

[Messiah]

I think the SP was a step in the right direction for Nintendo. I mean, very sleek design, nothing like the bulky gameboys of old. It would appeal to a wider audience. Look at the design of the Cube compared to The PS2 and the X-Box, It looks like a purple building block, not real an ideal thing for an adult. I think Nintendo need to focus not only on kiddie stuff, but stuff that would appeal to your average adult. I'm not saying its the key to success, but it would help it become more widely known. Advertising is a big factor too, they need to get in the public eye more if they want to survive.

[GBA]

The main thing that apeals to adults for the Gamecube would probably have to be the Resident Evil series.

[Messiah]

Yeah, those kind of games help alot. More of the same would be a good thing in my opinion.

[GBA]

If the House of the Dead 3 was a GCN exclusive it would help it alot. I saw a few adults buy a X-BOX just for that game. GCN doesn't even have a gun, if I'm not mistaken. The N5 should appeal to all ages. Different types of games for different people so it gets more sales.

[Messiah]

Yeah, if you have a nice wide variety of different games to choose from you cant go wrong. A good balance is needed which the cube really dosn't have. There have been alot of adult oriented games released lately, more are needed though.

[Cooolcorey]

I think we need some Too Human action...

[Messiah]

^Agreed. On the N5 though i'm guessing

[bill TSM]

What I hate is years before, whenever someone that knows nothing about videogames talked about them referring to "Nintendo"... now most places talk about the "PS2, Xbox, and PC" they totally forget to mention the GCN...

Nintendo needs to do a lot of work. It must include online play straight out of the box to appeal to developers and older gamers. But if it doesn't see Sony and MS as competition, then it's going to do what it thinks is most profitable.

What Nintendo needs for me to buy the N5 is a revolutionary Mario game, not just a sequal of Mario 64 (as much as a great game it is).

[WarAllTheTime]

Like many people say, It's the games that make the console and I couldnt agree more with them, to a certain extent. Nintendo needs to work more on their marketing skills and they also need to try to get more exclusive games. With the Xbox, GCN, and Ps2, it was a close race at first. But then everyone had to buy a PS2 AND and Xbox mainly due to 1)popularity and 2) graphics(xbox). Once all the consoles started getting almost the exact same games, it came down to one thing...graphics. And thats exactly where the Xbox excelled. By now, many folks got a ps2 when it came out, and then a new one when it wouldnt support newer games(which is bootleg as hell). [or the mem. card adapter I heard about.] And now those very same people are buying Xbox's, causing Nintendo to have to sell GCN's for $75.

So, my point is, it seems like the best hardware does much better in the long run, excluding the PS2 of course. Nintendo has been in the gaming industry near the very beginning, and I see no reason why they should run out of fuel. I believe that the N5 could possibly be the determining factor of Nintendo's fate(console-wise).

[NickTheGamer]

Nintendo do have allot of excusives... The most to tell you the truth. But not the most 3rd party exclusives. Thats a problem with Nintendo. 3rd party's go for the best system with most sales, The GCN is not that... the ps2 is.

[prime_timer]

If i was nintendo, i would hold back prime 2 aand wind waker 2 and make them launch titles for n5. we already know 2 launch titles in half-life 2 and pilotwings, possibly Too human if it doesnt come out this generation. But Nintendo needs some strong launch titles so it well get a strong hold in the month or so it will be out before PS3 and X2. If it can establish just those games CHA-CHING, you did your job!

[Shoxx]

Well... no. Miyamoto already promised Prime 2, Mario 128, and Zelda 2 next year, and we should get them, or else a lot of people might not like it.

[Cooolcorey]

I don't know how much a month of being the only system out will do for them. I mean, not everyone rushes to get the first console released on it's first day of release, in fact, most people don't, especially since the cost of the console is at it's highest when it is first released, and it has the fewest games when it's first released.

[Pied_Piper]

Originally posted by WarAllTheTime
Like many people say, It's the games that make the console and I couldnt agree more with them, to a certain extent. Nintendo needs to work more on their marketing skills and they also need to try to get more exclusive games. With the Xbox, GCN, and Ps2, it was a close race at first. But then everyone had to buy a PS2 AND and Xbox mainly due to 1)popularity and 2) graphics(xbox). Once all the consoles started getting almost the exact same games, it came down to one thing...graphics. And thats exactly where the Xbox excelled. By now, many folks got a ps2 when it came out, and then a new one when it wouldnt support newer games(which is bootleg as hell). [or the mem. card adapter I heard about.] And now those very same people are buying Xbox's, causing Nintendo to have to sell GCN's for $75.

So, my point is, it seems like the best hardware does much better in the long run, excluding the PS2 of course. Nintendo has been in the gaming industry near the very beginning, and I see no reason why they should run out of fuel. I believe that the N5 could possibly be the determining factor of Nintendo's fate(console-wise). I dont think so have you seen the sales charts lately XBOX is coming in last as of sales lately.There is no close race for 1st when it comes down to exclusives. It is clear that the ps2 gets the most exclusives. XBOx gets alot of the ps2 games but gamecube doesnt even get some games that come out on PS2 and XBOX and thats whats hurting nintendo. A big reason XBOX sales so well is because of all the games they have not the quality of them but the quantity. Consumers have more choice with PS2 and XBOX. Also alot of XBOX's games are made by american publishers. Nintendo needs more 3rd party support plain and simple.

[karter316]

Ha, no kidding!

[ef bee eye]

nitendos been getting some great third party support lately, with capcom, namco, konami

[Wh|tE gUy]

...konami? What has Konami done other than let SK make a game and give them the profits?

[ef bee eye]

nitendo and konami are getting real close wif each otha, there planning some more games to hit the cube

[Wh|tE gUy]

such as...?

[ef bee eye]

hmm yugioh thing just came out, a new dance fever game mite come out but thaz a rumour

[karter316]

Down with yugioh! Does anyone have a report on how that game is selling? I heard 3rd parties are on their way up. I hope Nintendo stops using them so frequently for the next system.

[Jaga]

isn't that wat PS2 does? Konami also made Ninja Turtles...that game ownz

[karter316]

Yeah, no kidding. Ninja Turtles is awesome. Is Konami doing well? I heard they weren't doing to well.

[Wh|tE gUy]

Originally posted by karter316
Down with yugioh! Does anyone have a report on how that game is selling? I heard 3rd parties are on their way up. I hope Nintendo stops using them so frequently for the next system.
Wow

just...wow

What the hell are you talking about? Please, my brain hurts so much each time I read that...


PS Ninja Turtles sucks IMO, atleast according to the demo

[bballjones303]

Five keys for Nintendo to win the upcoming console battle...

1) Make gamecube games portable w/ N5. Although Nintendo is not in the same position that sony was in after the PS1 (having to keep their audience/supporters), Nintendo cannot afford to lose any more fans.

2) Wireless controllers are basic... no cords what so ever.

3) Go w/ it's strengths on opening day and the first couple months. A Mario game at release, along w/ something like F-Zero or even Mario Kart. Within a month, throw another Super Smash Bros game in, and in the next few months add another big name. (but not zelda...save zelda).

4) Get out (right now) and take some risks. Spend some $ on some third party companys, or at least get some exclusive deals. AND DONT LET SILICON KNIGHTS GET AWAY FROM YOU!!!

5) Throw something original in w/ the system, something that will grab peoples attention. An LCD screen, possilby?

Please listen to me Nintendo, please!

BY THE WAY, KARTER316, ARE YOU CRAZY?!?! DOWN WITH 3RD PARTIES? WHAT?!

[Jamesbond007]

i wish that they had
1)backwards compatibility
2)GB/GBA support right out of the box
3)dvd player + music support
4)harddrive
5)Wireless controlers
6)A sexy color like platinum with a sleek design
7)Internet right out of ther box
and finally
8) Some exclusive system sellers.Nintendos titles alone cannot make a console success.

Actually i dont care whats in it because i will buy nintendo stuff untill the day i die...or they die..but i think that stuff would help with mainstream gamers, who want the ultimate hi tech gadgety device in their livingrooms

[Monkeylord]

Originally posted by Jamesbond007
1)backwards compatibility
2)GB/GBA support right out of the box
3)dvd player + music support
4)harddrive
5)Wireless controlers
6)A sexy color like platinum with a sleek design
7)Internet right out of ther box
and finally
8) Some exclusive system sellers.Nintendos titles alone cannot make a console success.

I like the cut of this mans gib... just a shame that all this would push the price up, although if anyone can make it affordable it'll be Nintendo! Whatever they charge it will never feel like you're being fleeced.

[motyang]

Sexy color.. hmmmm... Imagining what if the next generation of nintendo console has a flame red color just like that GBA SP.

[karter316]

Boy with all those great features, what would the price be? Probably around 500$, but maybe a little less. You don't need a DVD player on a Nintendo system! That's what DVD players are sold induvisualy for. Besides I already have one. I guess that makes the last opinion bias, uh?

[Nathantendo]

Being the first doesn't mean a sure success. Just look what happend to Dreamcast. Although, I'm sure a little earlier would have helped GCN.

[HylianKen]

I think Nintendo should stick to their same basic principles that the had with N64 and GCN, but even though I love GCN's minidisc use I think the use of CD/DVD's like sony/microsoft would be a little better since more info can be stored on them...nintendo just has to stay innovative and they'll always do good, and with all the changes nintendo's making they'll come out on top...

[prime_timer]

They need (not should, NEED) to include built in network play. Maybe an ad campaign boasting system link technology. "So why are you by yourself? Throw a LAN party." And the hard drive would help a lot!

[HylianKen]

yes a hard drive(the only thing good about the x-box)...

[Link]

Nintendo needs to raise the bar with game length/difficulty. I know that I thought Mario Sunshine was too easy and short, as was the Wind Waker. Maybe they could institute difficulty levels within their games, or start out slow in the beginning and then up the difficulty as the game progresses. Otherwise, I think that Nintendo is doing a great job with the gamecube. Maybe with the N5, the could also have a game boy player built in.
Finally, I feel that DVD in a gaming console is useless. Sure, you could get a PS2 for the same price as a GCN and a DVD Player, but in getting the Gamecube and DVD player, you are getting both a quality gaming system and a quality DVD player. The same can't be said for the PoS2.

[Monkeylord]

I think that at the mo the only benefit of having a DVD player built into the console is the fact that you can use normal sized DVD's as the game medium. That's it. So far the DVD movie playback quality of PS2 and XBox has been sub-standard at best.

[Jaga]

Nintendo could actually make the price for that a little affordable. Remeber when PS2 and Xbox were said to be $500-$600... they started at $300...

[Lovebird]

yeah...you're right jaga...but maybe all the next gen consoles are actually gonna be 500 dollars or so...cause if that's the case...i won't play consoles anymore...i'll stick with gameboy...but knowin nin, which i don't at all, they'll make it affordable for us, as always.

[Cooolcorey]

Nintendo won't make the price $500, they can't afford to do that.

[ef bee eye]

true

[Lovebird]

yepyepyyep, they ain't that dumb, but hopefully, M$ will do that...

[GBA]

That's what they did with the X-BOX. Maybe X-BOX 2= Double the price of X-BOX. rofl.

[andre]

I think a cool name for "N5" would be Nexus. I think it was from an apocraphyl image or something. But it sounds great. Nintendo needs to have a huge list of AAA launch titles, great exclusives and sport titles, integrated online launch titles, and a network for it. I would love these features in the new system:
1) Backward compatability with GCN games
2) Very powerful processors, more so than suX-Box and the cell processors of the PS3
3) Some sort of holographic display technology
4) Integrated hard drive
5) Head set for online
6) Built in keyboard support
The new console also needs to have a "gangbuster" title that will help sell the console like crazy, like Halo for suX-Box. Also, obviously, needs more Mature games and a HELLUVA BETTER IMAGE CAMPAIGN!!!!! Wake Up Nintendo. You may be selling an ass load of consoles right now, but you still need more advertising for older gamers. Don't mess up BIG N.

[ef bee eye]

Originally posted by andre
I think a cool name for "N5" would be Nexus. I think it was from an apocraphyl image or something. But it sounds great. Nintendo needs to have a huge list of AAA launch titles, great exclusives and sport titles, integrated online launch titles, and a network for it. I would love these features in the new system:
1) Backward compatability with GCN games
2) Very powerful processors, more so than suX-Box and the cell processors of the PS3
3) Some sort of holographic display technology
4) Integrated hard drive
5) Head set for online
6) Built in keyboard support
The new console also needs to have a "gangbuster" title that will help sell the console like crazy, like Halo for suX-Box. Also, obviously, needs more Mature games and a HELLUVA BETTER IMAGE CAMPAIGN!!!!! Wake Up Nintendo. You may be selling an ass load of consoles right now, but you still need more advertising for older gamers. Don't mess up BIG N.

nintendo like keeping their systems affordable so you won't see nothing better (hardware wise) than any other next-next gen conlsoles, and foget about the holgraphic display

[motyang]

But, probably what nintendo means by not wanting to be like sony is that nintendo wants to be more than sony :).

[Wh|tE gUy]

most of these sugestions are too unrealistic. Sure they would help a hell of a lot with the American market, but remember, Nintendo doesnt give a crap about us, they don't care if we prefer online or mature titles.

"The Americans wont buy a purple console? Oh well, then they wont own a Gamecube, no big deal"

[NickTheGamer]

They will for the N5.. Trust me... if they dont.. then, im safe to say Nintendo is gonna have another slugish system in the sales market...

[Messiah]

Wh|te Guys right i think. Not to sound negativve or anything but its quite clear that Nintendos main priority is the Japanese market. Every thing else seems secondary.

[WarAllTheTime]

This might be off topic...but uh did the Xbox do any good in Japan...? I know it didnt at first but what about now?

[prime_timer]

Uh, let me just say this. The playstation sold more units than the xbox did one week. not the playstation 2, but the playstion, the PSOne. it sold about 1,000 units to the Xbox's 800. If Nintendo can just secure a strong American following, they'll be unstoppable. oh yes the xbox IS still sucking in japan

[Messiah]

*Japanese accent*"American cosole, bah, Shitaki"

[WarAllTheTime]

Word yo...Nintendo just needs to meet our needs and release it first,(b4 xbox2 and ps3)...then American will say..."Why the hell did I ever buy a Sony piece-of-sh*t console? :P

[Lovebird]

japan may be their top priority, but they need america for the money, so they need to please the american market too, the american market is huge, and should they give it up, then they'll lose too much money which will ultimately effect the japanese market........i think....

[Cooolcorey]

Remember, Nintendo is under Iwata's reign now instead of the other guy when the GameCube launched.

Trust me, we're in good hands...

[Lovebird]

why should i trust you? you like the offspring.