Bad Move Nintendo...

[koten]

I just heard from Nintendojo inthis story (http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1076358259) that Iwata has decided to withhold the production of the next console another two or three years. I have a feeling this is a terrible idea and could cuase nintendo to fall flat on their faces for the next-next-gen of the console wars

[Sean-AMN]

... my contact was right!!! oh my god...

[koten]

You knew about this already? It may very well spell disaster

[CronoEdge]

Jeez....i get stoked about something nintendo does right. (MGS:TT)
And then they pull this sh*t.

Who do they think they're kidding? If they dont keep up with the competition they're a going to get trampled, simple as that.

[Mariosmentor]

And do they think that with nintendos lack of support and fans, this will support them for 2 - 3 years? I anticipated many fans leaving nintendo to be able to play the new, next generation games rather than gamecubes. This is a very bad desicion i believe, but then again there paid to make the right desicions so there must be some sort of stragety behind this, they can't expect the gaming public to support this break in the console trend. They must have alterior motives.

[akia]

Read before you flame...

DJ Nintendo Won't Release New Video Game Console -Nikkei (Dow Jones News Service)Updated: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:11PM ET

OSAKA (Nikkei)--Nintendo Co. (7974.OK) has decided not to release a new video game console to follow its current GameCube for the time being, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported in its Tuesday edition.

The home-use game machine and software developer will instead diversify games and sell newly developed peripherals mainly for the GameCube. It will make games for the current model more appealing, while rivals Sony Corp. (6758.TO) and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) plan to debut high-performance next-generation consoles that can be also used for non-game content such as movies and music.

Nintendo plans to release peripherals as early as 2005. Although details aren't yet known, these devices are expected to diversify playing styles by improving the gaming experience and connections with hand-held units rather than improve graphics and sound quality.

The decision to withhold the release of a new console was made because while the game market is contracting and becoming more diverse, "customers are fully satisfied with the performance of the current model," President Satoru Iwata said.

Nintendo will continue in-house development of a new home-use game machine for release in the future, but for the next two or three years will add functions to the GameCube.

[OutlawAdidas]

I'm worried! Yes I am!

[Mariosmentor]

N64 versus Ps2, I wonder who one that short little battle.

[akia]

I'm not worried as long as they upgrade the graphics chip and a new hard drive with the newly developed peripherals that they are releasing in 2005. As long as they release those ahead of the compition I'll be fine. After all just like Mariosmentor said they are in the bussiness of making the right desicions, and this doesn't seem good but I'm willing to bet that their is more than meets the eye.

[bountyhunter]

Yeh, but then we'd all be buying a new gamecube, and uprgrading the graphics means new devloper tools, so they sooner release a new console rather then do that. I think they want to see what's in their competition, and then shortly follow w/ something better.

[motyang]

Business and Marketing wise, I think Nintendo makes a wrong decision by delaying the new console.

[rogue_gamecube]

All of this can work, as long as they follow up with some news that was reported a while ago. I heard something was up with Ninty and Cray Computers technology, can't remember when this came up, but I've heard about it. Now, if they incorporated a peripheral that used that technology to combine the powers of multiple GC's... :D

Likeliness of this happening? Hell, about as good as anything else! Ninty and Square once again, MGS back on Ninty, NDS, post-poning the next-gen console... honestly, I don't expect anything typical to happen. Like I said in a post before, Ninty could have got a hold of games working with the PS3 hardware and X2 hardware, saw nothing new, and figured they could do better without a new console. And, the N5 is coming out. It's just not what you think it is. Portable GC anyone? *sigh*, at least Ninty know's how to keep everyone, fan or not, on the edge of their seat and see what happens next. Thank God for Shiggy.

[Boondock Saint]

hahaha. it's so funny b/c this is exactly what john said would happen over in the other consoles forum in the N5 revealed thread. they're remaking the gamecube!

hahahahaha. you guys were so harsh on him for posting that too. hahahahaha.

[Mariosmentor]

He said the N5 was a remade gamecube, but they've stated the N5 has been pushed back, this is not the N5 just new periphrials for the gamecube.

[Boondock Saint]

bah. he said they weren't making the N5. this here says they have no plans for a new console. read all the posts. it's actually quite funny.

[Mariosmentor]

This here "We are currently developing the machine that can realise a number of brand-new and enjoyable ideas." tells me they are making the N5, did they not say they invested a shit load of money into it a while ago? Maybe there just gonna see what the competitors have in mind and try to get one better. Still a bad idea though.

[mario]

If this is true than thats an awfully bad marketing move.
personally, i dont care if they make a new console or stay with the oldone, becauswe we already have 3d and theres not much else they can do to improve a console, except for graphics/sound/stuff like that, we have 3d now, theres no way to change gameplay with a new console, except for something like ds.

Thats why ill never be more excited with a new system than i was by the n64 launch.

i dislike nintendojo, however and dont believe a word they say, if satoru iwata really did say that then it could be a ploy to trick the competition, or i could just be being stubborn and this really is true.

or, it could be to weed out the casual gamers, and leave only hardcore nin fans. If anyone doesnt want to play a nintendo system its their loss. unless there annoying as h**l about it, which is why i only try to convert ps2/xbox fans who i know well enough to see once or more a day, because thats the only way theyll have enough time to be jerks about it

[Bkbro429]

And what are these "add-ons" going to serve, DVDs, finally online play (even though the broadband/modem adaptors are out), 3D glasses or something, voice in games?!?

[Mariosmentor]

How bout being able to enter your game like in the film the 13th floor, eh eh........I didn't think so:(

[XboxEvolved]

Wait..didn't I post nearly this same damned info in Other console discussion and you all started bashing me saying it couldn't be true? How funny it is, how funny it is. Anyways I think Nintendo hates their fans, I really do, they do the EXACT opposite of what they want all the time. Anyways, by 2007 I am guessing the new GC/GBA hybird will be out and Nintendo will concentrate on that.

Also those of you waiting for Nintendo to go online? Don't hold your breath..Nintendo seems to believe the market demographic in Japan for online gamign (which the genre is the worst performing in Japan) is the world demographic, so they probably wont ever do it, until Nintendo goes bust and starts making games for MS and Sony at least :)

BTW you guys be happy you didn't bet me $50..you would of all been in debt to me!

[Bkbro429]

Nope, but, it could lead to something- Virtual Reality for GCN! :D

[Steve-AMN]

HAHAHA I love how XboxEvolved thinks everything is said and done. He makes me laugh with the thought of his silliness :D

[XboxEvolved]

Nintendo Steve, I think it is funny how even after what I posted became true..you think that I am wrong? hilarious.

[Bkbro429]

Yeah, I know Nintendo does not like the online business (just yet.. and probably for a wile to come), but I just made a suggestion, I mean, what could these new accessories possibly be, oh wait, there this is one last port free on the bottom of the GCN, it will probably get used.

[ihavelargefeet]

How will this help them with 3rd party support? I can see it now,"Ok guys let's make Tony Hawk 45. Which consoles do we want to develop for...PS3...check, XBox2...check, Gamecu..you mean people still play that thing!"

Of course I hope I'm wrong and good ole Ninty pulls through.

[Bkbro429]

Ha Ha, thats funny, I mean I agree, Nintendo is already loosing third party support left and right. And now with this newly announced Nintendo DS, and now "these accessories, (N5 delayed), how will this help, it will probably make things worse.

[Shoxx]

GOD this is a very bad move... I'm disappointed, Nintendo.

[Steve-AMN]

Originally posted by XboxEvolved
Nintendo Steve, I think it is funny how even after what I posted became true..you think that I am wrong? hilarious.

And how pray tell has it come true?? Nintendo made an announcement. Whoop-dee-doo. I have lost count the number of press anouncments Nintendo has made that ends up getting changed for better or for worse.

Untill it ACTUALLY HAPPENS...nothing is true. That is why I am not defending furthur against what you and Boondock believe becuase I have no proof. While a press anouncement is somewhat proof it does not show truly what will happen as they rarely predict the future.

This subject, untill Nintendo actually does something one way or the other, is just going to be people's feelings and believes nothing more.

It is pointless for me to try and convince others of my believes as it is pointless for you to do the same XboxEvolved. Yet I believe the only reason you come here is to try and bring discord to the forums.

I am not posting anymore on the subject because like I said it is pointless. I have much better things to do with my time then to sit here and argue an endless battle with everyone.

Like I said in the other thread...I dont' care what people think. I don't care what people believe. I know what I believe and think and that is all that matters to me. If time proves me wrong then time proves me wrong and life continues on.

again...Whoop-dee-doo

[uboy]

Bizarre. Never saw this coming. Wonder though if they'll really go for it, seems like such a risky move.

I wasn't sure if I was going to buy a new console right away anyway, I've still got N64 games I've never played!

[mario]

who cares about 3rd party support except for square? i know i dont all i need is nintendo
A few AAA games every few months rather thean a junkload of average games.

[rogue_gamecube]

*sigh*, I will suggest this once more, and only that much since most of you seem to have glazed over the idea time and time again. What if one of these peripherals was a link cable that could combine the power of multiple GC's. I mentioned this before, as it was developed by Cray Computers. I've seen the news article mentioning some interest Ninty had with them not too long ago. Think about it: twice the power would offer developers much more to work with. Also, this could eliminate frame-rate droppage when playing multi-player with friends: simply combine 3 or 4 and you have plenty of power to handle the graphics. How about you people, gee, I don't know, THINK about the idea and possibilities of a peripheral like that. Bad descision my ass.

[XboxEvolved]

I know what I believe and think and that is all that matters to me. If time proves me wrong then time proves me wrong and life continues on.

Hey thanks for the defination of a personal opinion because before that..I didn't know what it meant ;)

Anyways they didn't say anything abou tthe GC/GBA...but this does prove part of my information. The other half will be proven at E3 ;)

[Ninjazn]

It is official after reading the news on GC Advanced, Cube-Europe, Ningc and some other reliable sites I have come to the conclusion that Nintendo has lost it. If they release there console a year or so after the PS3 and Xbox 2 they will be so behind in sales, and in quantity of games. Developer support may begin to drop greatly. Nintendo needs to think much more about what they are doing.

Now after this I think I will get an Xbox 2 at launch. It seems so much more reliable since it is backed up by Microsoft, chances are they won't pull out of the gaming industry. Plus with exclusives like Halo you can't go wrong. Also Microsoft takes online seriously while Nintendo does not. Sad day for Nintendo, sad sad day.

Hopefully they will re-think what they are doing and release the N5 at the same time as the PS3 and Xbox 2, a much better choice. I would hate to see games like Mario, Zelda, F-Zero, Kirby, and so many more go away. Think Nintendo, think.

[CronoEdge]

Either this is a genious plan so clever that we cant even comprehend the full scope of it yet.....or Ninty is well, being Ninty, and doing their thing regardless of what other ppl think.

Lets see, a 2-3 year hold up on the N5 leaves it being released, at the latest, in 2007. The earliest PS3 and xbox 2 will be out is 2005. Maybe tendo wants to set their own pace in releasing new consoles. Instead of putting something new out when everyone else is, they just wait a couple of years and put out their own new stuff. By then some ppl are lookin to buy a 2nd console, maybe tendo wants to be that source.

Either way, nintendo is a hard company to figure out. But we already knew that right. ;)

[Bkbro429]

Like I said before, and probably will continue to say, this was a bad move by Nintendo (once again), and, Nintendo even said "...the reason our sales are not up to par with Sony is becuase we launched GameCube 18 months after the PS2.", there is your answer. Now What?

[Ninjazn]

I was thinking maybe Nintendo is trying to fool us all into thinking that the N5 will launch in 2007 and they will instead make a 2005 launch. However I thought the same thing with Windwakers graphics actually being Spaceworld 2000 graphics and that didn't happen. Only time can tell.

[Bkbro429]

I doubt that will happen, this N5 delay/ new GC accessories news seems like something Nintendo would say, and stick to.

[Ninjazn]

They shouldn't stick to it. After all making games for a console that is outdated when there is two new next gen consoles with better graphics and technology is stupid. Sony does it for the PS because they at least are continuing to make PS2 games.

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

I was thinking maybe Nintendo is trying to fool us all into thinking that the N5 will launch in 2007 and they will instead make a 2005 launch. However I thought the same thing with Windwakers graphics actually being Spaceworld 2000 graphics and that didn't happen. Only time can tell. No, I doubt that they're trying to fool us, that's just not the Big N's style. Now we can't say too much on this yet, as it's NOT confirmed. Now, I'm not sure but they know what they're doing most of the time and wouldn't just put the console out later for no reason. We were all suprised with the NDS maybe Nintendo has another thing up their sleeves, just peripheral-wise.

[Ninjazn]

Whether or not they have something else up there sleeves this is still a bad choice. Hasn't Nintendo learned anything? I don't want them to go bankrupt but chances are they will.

[Bkbro429]

Well they were still supporting the N64 when the PS2 and Dreamcast were out for a wile, and came in late with the GC, and now they had to pay with it- not as many sales as expected.

[Ninjazn]

Exactly and if they do the same thing they will lose out on many sales. Do they want to make the same mistake twice? If you ask me it would be a stupid decision to go ahead and do what they are doing.

[XboxEvolved]

I dont know about the picture, or whatever but..http://games.sympatico.ca/news/stories/20040116152411_breakingnews.html

The pic looks cool..I wonder what it would actually look like though?

[Bkbro429]

It is a cool image, just looks pretty big and bulky for a GB system to me.

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

They won't go bankrupt neither will they leave games (I heard lots of people saying stupid things like that). Like I said, they know what they're doing most of the time and have learned from there past mistakes with the N64. I also agree that it's probably a bad idea even if they do release a bunch of new peripherals because people will probably think "Oh, gay Nintendo isn't releasing a new console, how retarded." They won't realize the things Ninty is releasing. And remember ths is just if they don't release the N5 till later and make new peripherals instead, which I doubt will happen.

[rogue_gamecube]

Originally posted by rogue_gamecube
*sigh*, I will suggest this once more, and only that much since most of you seem to have glazed over the idea time and time again. What if one of these peripherals was a link cable that could combine the power of multiple GC's. I mentioned this before, as it was developed by Cray Computers. I've seen the news article mentioning some interest Ninty had with them not too long ago. Think about it: twice the power would offer developers much more to work with. Also, this could eliminate frame-rate droppage when playing multi-player with friends: simply combine 3 or 4 and you have plenty of power to handle the graphics. How about you people, gee, I don't know, THINK about the idea and possibilities of a peripheral like that. Bad descision my ass.

Since I'm lazy and apparently none of you read anything people post, I'll simply remind you until one of you thinks. Oh, and I LUV Spartan's comment, "Plus with exclusives like Halo you can't go wrong." HOO BOY! Halo I guess is a genre, right? Better be, since I think it reads "exclusives", plural. And Halo is one. Just one. OH, what about DOA: More and More Titties? Gee, can't forget that. :o You have been p\v/n3d, don't force it.

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

Originally posted by XboxEvolved
I dont know about the picture, or whatever but..http://games.sympatico.ca/news/stories/20040116152411_breakingnews.html

The pic looks cool..I wonder what it would actually look like though? Wow, they said it was CONFIRMED. I don't believe it, it plays GC games, SWEET!! So now it's the Game boy Enhanced, Game Boy Elite, and NDS, that's crazy...

[Bkbro429]

Wow, *drool* (if its all true).

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

If it's all true, that's what I'm wondering. I mean they said its confirmed and all but I can't believe it! I mean wow Nintendo. I guess this is why they aren't releasing the N5, they got a portable GC that can play ALL Game boy games (that's basicaly what it is). --~

[King Volcano]

It's fake and old.

[Bkbro429]

This is all from Jap. magazines and other sources, nothing from Nintendo officially yet (or is it?) not sure.

[ihavelargefeet]

Originally posted by rogue_gamecube
*sigh*, I will suggest this once more, and only that much since most of you seem to have glazed over the idea time and time again. What if one of these peripherals was a link cable that could combine the power of multiple GC's. I mentioned this before, as it was developed by Cray Computers. I've seen the news article mentioning some interest Ninty had with them not too long ago. Think about it: twice the power would offer developers much more to work with. Also, this could eliminate frame-rate droppage when playing multi-player with friends: simply combine 3 or 4 and you have plenty of power to handle the graphics. How about you people, gee, I don't know, THINK about the idea and possibilities of a peripheral like that. Bad descision my ass.

So you'd have to buy another GC. I'd rather have one console than two sprawled out with cords conncecting them

[Bkbro429]

With all of this, is there going to be any real use for the DS, will it be a multimedia device also?

[rogue_gamecube]

Ahem, look at the date ppls, this was posted on January the 16th. I've seen this before, but if what XboxEvolved says is all accurate, the N5 may look something a lot like this. Meh. Don't see it happening with a screen that small, that's for sure. But, like I said months before, I figure the GBA2 is sitting right in front of you: Portable GC. The biggest ruse Ninty has pulled is naming the next home console the N5, when it really is the GBA2. At least they give us a year after the NDS to save up money to purchase the N5. I'll be buying only a few GC games now, too much news swirling around to know what will fall where. One thing no body should be doing now is flaming Ninty for being stupid. Shiggy and Iwata-san can move the industry whichever direction they choose. And now's as good a time as ever.

Edit: Here, since you people wine whether it is confirmed or not, I'm going to e-mail GCA 'bout this. Maybe they'll buzz by this thread before, but at least I'll be able to settle this argument.

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

Originally posted by King Volcano
It's fake and old. I hate people who just post someting stupid like that without even saying anything about it or why they said what they said. Of course its old, everyone wishes and dreams about having something like this, so of course there are rumors going around everywhere also. It says it's CONFIRMED, I still doubt it's true but read before you respond moron....

[uboy]

Well, looks like all we were riled up for nothing. According to Gamespot,

"according to Beth Llewellyn, Nintendo of America's director of corporate communications, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun article is erroneous, and based on "a lot of speculation." She also said the Iwata quote was from another article and was taken out of context."

and

Regarding the status of Nintendo's next console, Llewellyn told GameSpot "we will launch at the same time as our competitors. Our status hasn't changed."

Read it here:
http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6089101.html

[Bkbro429]

So, is this fake?!?

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

Well, I'm REAL glad. I know Nintendo knows what they're doing, but they shouldn't just try different things than their competitors, they should just stick with everyone else if they want to get ahead. --~

[Bkbro429]

Yeah I mean, if its fake, thats a good thing. So the N5 may be on track to realease with the competition after all.

[rogue_gamecube]

WOW, ok, I hate this. Fukn hell. People seem to like the idea of Ninty dropping out of the console wars. It's like "Lets all colaboratively yell out that Nintendo is going to quit, and maybe they will and Sony/Microsoft will give us lots and lots of money". Nihon Keizai Shimbun goes in my long list of big-business's to blow up. Damn you all.

[Ninjazn]

Holy Sh** man was I scared. I am serious I was so freaking scared. This is good news. Nintendo I love you.

[Spartacus]

I knew this was a load of crap. Nintendo isn't as stupid as people think.

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

Exactly and even if they were to release this Game Boy Enchance, they would know what they were doing.

[rogue_gamecube]

Once more, it seems strange GCA wouldn't correct themselves already. Gamespot is damned reliable, and this was posted 5 hours ago. Weird.

[OutlawAdidas]

Actually, I got all my info from Gamecubeheaven.tk
I'm glad that rumor was FALSE

[mario]

i thought it was false, oh and gb enhanced is also false in case you were wondering and theres also a thread about gb enhanced being false.

[Wh|tE gUy]

Well this has all turned out to be a hoax (thank god) and the rumor has been proved false. If you really wish to continue the discussion go to the N5 thread in Other Consoles section.

*CLOSED*

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

What's up with this......The threads not closed yet. Did you not close it or someting WG?

[Bkbro429]

Why would you want to close it, it has to do with today's news on the N5 possibly being delayed/ new accessories for the GCN in 2005..... OK THNAK GOD, this is a mis"print" if you want to put it like that.

[OutlawAdidas]

yea, I know-eth! Its like-eth when they close-eth my How-eth to make a PS3 thread! That was a sad day-eth

[Xtreme CHRI$$]

Please Outlaw, stop using those damn -eths! It's getting annmoying-eth man. --~

[Wh|tE gUy]

Im an idiot, sorry forgot to actually close it >.<.

*CLOSED*

(for reals this time)