The Nintendo owned companies...

[OutlawAdidas]

How many companies does nintendo own? I know they own Silicon Knights and n-space, retro studios but what else?

[bountyhunter]

they don't own retro, they just put a lot in it

[Jaga]

Does Nintendo own Sega in any part?

[bountyhunter]

i doubt it

[Lovebird]

does nintendo own hal?i don't think so, but they make a lot of games with nintendo...

[bountyhunter]

nintendo does own hal

[Steve-AMN]

Actually Nintendo owns Retro

[Cooolcorey]

No they don't :D .

[Otacon]

Hmm.....what about this "Intelligent Studios" thing? They've worked in Metroid Fusion, Fire Emblem, and some other games

Or how about Rare? I know they've done some DK stuff

[Steve-AMN]

Um YEah Nintendo bought Retro before Metroid Prime came out

[Steve-AMN]

And before people go "NO they don't hehe" check out this link

http://nintendo.gamerweb.com/news/0502/005.asp

[OutlawAdidas]

I knew they own retro studios, but they have some other companies that they own..i just wanna know who are they.

[prime_timer]

Intelligent Systems had made all the metroid games before Prime. It used to be headed by Gumpei Yoko, creator of Metroid, the d-pad aand the Game boy. They also made Fire Emblem and Advance Wars, two titles that took their sweet time making it to the states.

[OutlawAdidas]

I think he also made the Virtual Boy.

[Lovebird]

the guy who made the virtual boy died in a car accident a year after being fired from nintendo, he's also the guy who made gameboy, i believe....i'm not sure, anyone know?

[OutlawAdidas]

Yea, I got it. Gunpei Yokoi made the virtual boy but most people look past that and to the Gameboy, and the gameboy pocket. That was his last project. He died in a car accident.

[Steve-AMN]

He died in a car accident indeed.

He was rear-ended and when he had gotten out to inspect the damage and trade information another car went out of control and ran him over.

He DoA to the hospital :( tragic indeed. Miyamoto had at the time said that no more Metroid games would be made out of respect since all that had gone down.

[Cooolcorey]

Originally posted by Nintendo Steve
And before people go "NO they don't hehe" check out this link

http://nintendo.gamerweb.com/news/0502/005.asp

Alright, alright, you got me. I was still in the mindset of when they only owned 22%. I never heard that they bought them outright, sorry about that.

[bountyhunter]

I don't think yokoi was fired in Nintendo. I heard somewhere that he quit

[BigBroMario]

Originally posted by OutlawAdidas
How many companies does nintendo own? I know they own Silicon Knights and n-space, retro studios but what else?

Nintendo doesn't own N-Space, at least not yet. If Geist does well then they might buy them.

EDIT: Does Nintendo own Skip, the developer of GiFTPiA? (yes Patrick, I said GiFTPiA, calm down) :D

[prime_timer]

You guys are forgetting the most important thing Yokoi made: the d-pad. where would we be without that handy little doo-dad?
Im very happy that they did decide to make another Metroid game.

Im just wondering what project Retro had before Prime came along.

[BigBroMario]

If Yokoi never invented the D-pad our controllers would still have giant joy sticks like the Atari controllers. :D

[Lovebird]

to tell you the truth, bigbro, i can honestly say,,(i'm very ashamed), i know NOTHING about skip.....;( ;(

[prime_timer]

.... and that would suck. i never liked the atari's thingy that much.

All Patrick knows about Skip is that they're makin GiFTPiA, and thats good enough for him!

[Lovebird]

hey! don't tell me wat i think! 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL ME!(if you watch sb e-mails you will get it) i really wish i could find something out about Skip......or should i say, SKiP....hewhehhe

[OutlawAdidas]

Sorry, my power was out but now I'm back. Anyways, I do believe that Nintendo does own n-Space. I read about it somewhere.

[mario]

gunpei yokoi made game boy, metroid , the d pad, and the virtual boy. thats 3 out of 4, people should look past the virtual boy, he also won the award for best developer after dying. next to miyamoto, he is one of the people i most respect in the video game business.

[Cooolcorey]

Originally posted by prime_timer
Im just wondering what project Retro had before Prime came along.

Here's one of them:

http://cube.ign.com/articles/136/136579p1.html

[Freak of Kane]

I think Skip are a second party. They've got a new game in the works if I remember correctly. Nintendo have quite a few second parties...Brownie Brown, Genius Sorority and a few others that I'm not too sure about.

[BigBroMario]

I looked up SKiP on IGN but all I got was this small description.

Japanese development team, made up of a large staff of talented designers and programmers, including such prominent former Square employees Kenichi Nishi and Keita Eto (Chrono Trigger).

[prime_timer]

yeaah, i remember thaata the leaad programmer or director from Chrono Trigger was on the GiFTPiA team

[thegamecubist]

thats true, and that man is Gunpei Yoki. He also designed the Bandai Wonderswan.

I belive they own Game Freak and Creatures as well.

[Cooolcorey]

Speaking of Bandai, Nintendo owns a small share of Bandai as well.

[blablamax]

Yes .... and Bandai is pretty popular on Japan...so its good...

[Cooolcorey]

Bandai also releases a lot of anime, so I was hoping maybe Nintendo could score some exclusive anime titles to the 'cube, but I don't really know if Bandai will go for that.

[NiNtEnDo FrEaK]

hey nintendo dont own rare, microsoft does right?

[BigBroMario]

Yes, now they do. Speaking of Rare, it really ticks me off how on the comercial for Grabbed By The Ghoulies it says, "From Rare, the makers of Donkey Kong Country." I HATE THAT, it says the same thing on the game box too.

[Shoxx]

Yeah, that irritates me too. It's just a ploy to get people to buy their game, but, in reality, it's not working.

[OutlawAdidas]

Quick question. Did nintendo make donkey kong or did atari. I heard about that from somewhere?

[jamesc359]

It was Nintendo. Atari never had anything to do with Donkey Kong.

[andre]

yeah. i believe that Nintendo owns Retro, Silicon Knights, HAL, they used to own Left Field but not currently. Bandai is partly owned, and rumors of a take over were circulating a while back. To secure good software for the next gen, Nintendo needs to buy Factor 5, and it's a mystery why they haven't because rumor had it they would develop for X-Box. Yeah, Rare pisses me off. But, I believe that the Big N needs Factor 5 support permaneantly. Can't risk them developing for other companies, especially Microsoft.

[koten]

Nintendo needs some more second parties before the next generation. Factor 5 is a good one, also Treasure and Free Radical (though unlikely) would be great to add to nintendos team.

Oh by the way. Kane, I think Square owns brownie brown

[OutlawAdidas]

absolutely..nintendo needs F5. Starwars is fantastic

[Bkbro429]

Yeah, but Square is back, no more Rare :( :(

[Steve-AMN]

I believe we are going to be suprised with the support the next generation Nintendo will have. Look at all that is happening right now. Why would Konami now of all times partner up with Nintendo on a re-make?

I believe Nintendo has spent a good part of the past couple of years (specifically those with Iwata in charge) and money in securing more support.

[prime_timer]

The only thing Factor 5 developed fpr Xbox was some kind of sound programming, like Musy X or whatever its called. They will always develop games only for Nintendo.

[BigBroMario]

Well if Factor 5 is developing Pilot Wings then maybe they will get bought by Nintendo if they do a great job.

[Wh|tE gUy]

They have been doing a great job for years

[Steve-AMN]

You never know...it is possible that Nintendo owns F5 right now. Just becuase they get bought does not mean the world knows of it right away. I am not saying this is the case, just throwing a little thought out there.

[Cooolcorey]

Yeah, Nintendo had that second party announced about a week or two back for a while before everyone knew about it.

[Steve-AMN]

I mean...if Factor 5 is doing Pilotwings...then something is up...Nintendo doesn't give away thier creations like that to any company...even if they were good.

[Bkbro429]

I forgot about Piolot Wings, I heard that Factor 5 was indeed in development with it, but it was old news on IGN like a year ago.

[Steve-AMN]

Exactly...why would Nintendo allow them to touch that game unless there was more to thier relationship then meets the eye...I mean...I am sure Microsoft has tried to get Factor 5 to develop a game for them...but they haven't yet (at least to my knowledge) so that seem all too coincedental if you ask me.

[OutlawAdidas]

I will crap my pants if Factor 5 made a game for the xbox. They are just to good a developer.

[Wh|tE gUy]

Originally posted by Nintendo Steve
I mean...if Factor 5 is doing Pilotwings...then something is up...Nintendo doesn't give away thier creations like that to any company...even if they were good.
Ya that is why Nintendo bought out Capcom shortly after lending out the Zelda franchise to them ;)

[Cooolcorey]

I always thought Factor 5 was owned by LucasArts. I guess that's because I only saw them on the Star Wars games.

[OutlawAdidas]

Nintendo should buy namco or konami. they don't own capcom, but they should.

[Steve-AMN]

Originally posted by Wh|tE gUy
Ya that is why Nintendo bought out Capcom shortly after lending out the Zelda franchise to them ;)

:p well you can use franchise rights to try and bring companies togeather...but Factor 5 isn't the same as Capcom.

[Cooolcorey]

It would be cool if they bought Namco or Konami, but Capcom doesn't really have enough good franchises to warrant a purchase I don't think. RE and VJ are about it, oh yeah and Street Fighter I think.

[Steve-AMN]

I feel Capcom making a comeback here. Viewtiful Joe and I believe even Killer 7 are just examples of the great ideas comin out of Capcom...

As Apu would say, "Capcom shall COME AGAIN!"

[OutlawAdidas]

Capcom did piss me off about Killer 7 exclusivity, canning Dead Phoenix, and putting resident evil outbreak on ps2 but not the cube.

[Cooolcorey]

Yeah, I would wait to see what Killer 7 is gonna be like though. It's getting a lot of hype, but we have yet to get any real gameplay details. Maybe if Nintendo could just pay Capcom M$ style to get their best franchises exclusive.

[Nintendo]

Nintendo should get Capcom completely exclusive, now that would be awesome... maybe around n5 launch they could buy them out

[Steve-AMN]

No they wouldn't want to buy out Capcom. They are not into the habit of domineering over companies like Microsoft. But they are bit on MUTUAL releationships...which is what Nintendo is doing now with Konami and Capcom and other companies.

[Nintendo]

yeah, it was just a dream

[Steve-AMN]

:p

[Cooolcorey]

This way the company actually wants to work for Nintendo instead of being forced. Like a lot of Rare employees who left after MS bought 'em.

[OutlawAdidas]

I guess Nintendo made 375 mil from that deal. They weren't really losing anything

[Cooolcorey]

Actually, MS bought it for 375 mil, and Nintendo got 49% of that, so it was more like 140 mil, but yeah i know what you mean.

[Steve-AMN]

Nintendo could have kept Rare and POTENTIALLY had a great developer...but Nintendo knew what kind of crap they would have had...so Nintendo dumps them and sells thier shares of Stock to Microsoft.

[OutlawAdidas]

Well, the lead guy behind Goldeneye left so from the get go you could tell that there was never gonna be another game like Goldeneye. Martin Holland is his name. He just made a new company called, Zoonami and is working on the game called Game Zero for the cube.

[Steve-AMN]

Well if you are to believe those messages on the boards. There has been a lot of in-fighting with Rare. So it is not suprising that good ones left.

[Cooolcorey]

I hope that everything gets straightened out over there for Rare's sake, not really for MS's, but for Rare's already tarnished reputation and their future.

[Steve-AMN]

If even half of what was posted was true, then Rare is already dead...they are just waiting for it to come to light.

Rare was dead when they force people to quit that shouldn't have, Rare was dead when they cared more about showing who was the boss instead of caring about the product...Rare is dead.

[koten]

Yep, I used to love rare, and when I heard they had gone to Microsoft, I was pissed. But after some time I could care less

Now Xbox players say "Who is getting Perfect Dark? Not you!"

and my favorit respons is "Who got Grabbed by the Ghoulies? Not Me!"

[uboy]

Back on topic, N-sider.com had a very good article about Nintendo's collaborations and 2nd-parties:

http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=30

It used to be longer, but for now you can only see the first page (since they revamped I guess not all the bugs are ironed out yet).

ALso, I like to think of Rare this way, if they still made Gamecube games, all we'd have to show for it right now would likely be Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Even Kameo, which has been worked on for what, at least 4-5 years doesn't even have a release date.

[koten]

I'd like to see Too Human sometime. It has been in development for about 6 years and keeps getting thrown to the back burner for games like Eternal Darkness and MGS

[MarioNSamus]

Nintendo own Rockstar Games(IF YOU THINK I'M PLAYING STUPID,PLEASE TELL ME TO SHUT UP)!!

[BigBroMario]

Yeah, after Twin Snakes Silicon Knights should put everything they've got into Too Human and have it ready for the N5, that would sell so many consoles.

[OutlawAdidas]

NO, TOO HUMAN IS COMING OUT FOR THE N5

[BigBroMario]

That's what i mean, have Too Human ready as a launch title for the N5.

[Ninjazn]

If Rare was still with Nintendo I don't see it as a big improvement. Rare would only have made 2 games since the launch of the Cube. Star Fox Dinasour Planet and Grabbed by the Ghoulies. The upcoming ones would be Kameo, Perfect Dark 0, Conkers Bad Fur Day, and probably one Banjo Kazooie game. Out of all those the only ones I see helping the Cube would be Perfect Dark 0 and Conkers Bad Fur Day. Even those would take a while to get released. Nintendo made a smart choice to sell Rare.

[BigBroMario]

True, and with the $375 million they made they funded Retro and Silicon Knights, I think.

[OutlawAdidas]

PERFECT DARK WON'T EVEN DO GOOD, MOST OF THE GOOD PEOPLE FROM RARE ARE GONE. AS I SAID BEFORE, THE GUY BEHIND GOLDENEYE IS NOW AT ZOONAMI AND HE AND NINTENDO ARE WORKING CLOSELY BEHIND 2 PROJECTS. ONE OF THEM IS GAME ZERO. THE OTHER WAS I THINK HARDWARE FOR SOMETHING

[Cooolcorey]

Originally posted by Spartan 04
If Rare was still with Nintendo I don't see it as a big improvement. Rare would only have made 2 games since the launch of the Cube. Star Fox Dinasour Planet and Grabbed by the Ghoulies. The upcoming ones would be Kameo, Perfect Dark 0, Conkers Bad Fur Day, and probably one Banjo Kazooie game. Out of all those the only ones I see helping the Cube would be Perfect Dark 0 and Conkers Bad Fur Day. Even those would take a while to get released. Nintendo made a smart choice to sell Rare.

Actually, if Rare was still with Nintendo I doubt they'd make Conker Live and Uncut.

1) It's a remake of a game already on a Nintendo system
2) It's called "Live" because it has XBox Live in it.

So perhaps that team would have worked on another game.

[OutlawAdidas]

I could hardly care bout rare. They had their time and they messed up. Lets look at Silicon Knights and n-Space also Factor Five 5

[Wh|tE gUy]

Ok guys, listen up.

First of all, take off caps lock, no one takes you serious when YOU TYPE LIKE THIS.

Second, no Nintendo does not own Rockstar. I'm not sure if someone lied to you or you just came to that conclusion on your own (is it because a GTA game is on Gameboy Color?). Anyways, Nintendo doesnt own a single share of Rockstar.

Lastly, there would be no Grabbed by the Ghoulies if we still had Rare. Kameo was VERY close to being completed when Rare was sold, and M$ decided to have them create an original XBOX game from scratch, maybe to get a feel of the system? Anyways, it was also M$ decision to put of Kameo, possibly even cancel it. After finishing Kameo they would have moved on to Donkey Kong Racing (remember that game?)

[OutlawAdidas]

Donkey Kong Racing should have been out along time ago!

[Ninjazn]

I remember Donkey Kong Racing. The box my Cube came in had screens from Donkey Kong Racing and Kameo on it. I got my Cube the day it came out so thats why Rare games were on the box. Probably will be worth a bit later on.

[OutlawAdidas]

They had 2 years to work on it. I mean, I can understand Too Human, but come on, not Donkey Kong racing. They didn't even posts anything about them at 2002-2003 E3

[BigBroMario]

Same with my GC box. I would have loved to see DK Racing and Kameo on cube. I wish they would have sold rare after those two were released.

[Cooolcorey]

Y' never know, Kameo could turn out to suck, and I think Nintendo took DK Racing and picked up where Rare left off, either that or they started from scratch, I don't remember but I'm pretty sure they're working on it either way.

[Lovebird]

i wonder if dk racing would have been any good...hmm...

[OutlawAdidas]

I don't really think so....it wouldn't be better than MK DD

[bountyhunter]

At least not in rare's hands.

[BigBroMario]

I heard that DK Racing was completly canned after Rare was sold. I don't think there's any chance we will see it released.

[Freak of Kane]

I reckon it would have been pretty good. We saw what they did with Diddy Kong Racing. I was looking forward to racing under water on Enguard(e?) :(

[koten]

It wont happen. Though rare decided not to Cancel Diddy (it was Diddy) Kong Racing, instead they cut out Diddy and put Banjo as the Title Character (what inspired this move is a mystery)

I think Nintendo should have just sold rare, but argued to keep the licenses. Diddy Kong and all of the characters in the racer could have made good franchises, and god only knows what Silicon Knights could have done with Perfect Dark

[Cooolcorey]

I think they were "haggling over properties" just before MS's X02 event, but obviously Nintendo didn't get them.

[OutlawAdidas]

The only thing Rare took with them was Perfect Dark and Conker, thats it! We still have The kong family and so forth, nintendo just needs to find a very good developer to actually use them!

[Cooolcorey]

Like themselves?

[OutlawAdidas]

They could, but right now they have much more pressing matters at hand! But it would be nice to see Diddy kong racing on the DS.

[Shoxx]

Yeah, it would, except Rare would have to be involved, since they created the original game. Nintendo's license, Rare's game. I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem with helping out and getting the game on the DS, but, they should be focusing more on getting us the Xbox titles that they promised. Those are the ones I'm more particularly interested in, especially Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo: Elements of Power (depending on how it looks later on in development). Conker: Live and Uncut should be pretty good too, but since its a remake, I'm not as interested in it.

[koten]

Rare also kept all the characters that were in Diddy Kong racing, other then Diddy himself, but Diddy my now find himself a permanent spot in Mario Kart. As for the other games, did anyone notice that Banjo Kazooi is geting a gba Game? It is made by Rare, but THQ is publishing it (M$ doesn't want to look like it supports the GBA). I heard it is a very good game. The third or so skill you learn is to climb ladders

[Shoxx]

Banjo Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge is already out. That is Rare's first GBA game. Sabrewolf and Banjo Pilot are supposedly going to come out next.

[koten]

Rare's first GBA game was Donkey Kong Country. All of Rare's lates games are going to be crap, cause it is a waste of... everything now

[OutlawAdidas]

Face it, Rare is gone. The next Rare-like company for us is n-Space. Cuz Geist is gonna rock

[koten]

I am actually interested in Geist. I say this because I am not a typical FPS type person, but the whole being a ghost and taking over the enemy sounds promising (not to mention the insanity that would bring to the table in VS)

[Cooolcorey]

Originally posted by koten
Rare also kept all the characters that were in Diddy Kong racing, other then Diddy himself, but Diddy my now find himself a permanent spot in Mario Kart. As for the other games, did anyone notice that Banjo Kazooi is geting a gba Game? It is made by Rare, but THQ is publishing it (M$ doesn't want to look like it supports the GBA). I heard it is a very good game. The third or so skill you learn is to climb ladders

I don't think MS published any GBA games to begin with.

[OutlawAdidas]

Geist will be awesome!

[Shoxx]

Originally posted by Cooolcorey
I don't think MS published any GBA games to begin with.

Oddworld: Munch's Odyssee is out for GBA. THQ is MS's publisher for GBA games. I wish we'd see Halo Advance...

[Steve-AMN]

HAHA Halo Advanced...come one that would never work :p at least not with the GBA

[Shoxx]

Sure it would. All they would have to do is change the graphics to GBA style (and if they were to use the GBA to it's full capabilities, that would be nice), and release it, and I'm sure it would sell.

[Steve-AMN]

It would SELL...but it would probably not sell well. You have to keep in mind that even though you would have a somewhat portable version of Halo (no way you could recreate that multiplayer modes), it would always be ridiculed as a crap version of Halo, even if the game is good.

[prime_timer]

yes a Halo would not work..... thats why he have Doom :D

[Steve-AMN]

and Doom is doomed...no not really just wanted to say that :p

Anyways...I am sure within the next two years we will hear about Nintendo buying 1-3 new companies.

[prime_timer]

Such as whom Steve?

[Mariosmentor]

Microsoft., imagine the possibilities.....there arn't any.

[koten]

Nintendo should have baught(sp?) Sega. They had 2 chances (after the death of dreamcast, and after they were in debt from arcades) and never bothered. SHAME ON YOU NINTENDO

[OutlawAdidas]

I think they should leave sega where it is! I think Microsoft shoulf buy Activision

[rogue_gamecube]

Nah, Ninty and Sega are one. They always had the same concepts and ideals in mind, that's what made the SNES and Sega Genesis such a close war. The Saturn killed them, not the DC. Anyways, Sega would be a great purchase for Ninty. Picture a Super Smash Brothers with Sonic! And not some stupid rumour, for REAL! They could even market it like Capcom vs. SNK, except Nintendo vs. Sega. Genius :D

[rpguidry]

I've always wanted a Trifoce project Smash Brothers with Capcom there too, but alas it will not be. Anyway I hope the Megaton announcement comes true. Sega and Capcom under Nintendo.

[Wh|tE gUy]

Originally posted by rogue_gamecube
Nah, Ninty and Sega are one. They always had the same concepts and ideals in mind, that's what made the SNES and Sega Genesis such a close war. The Saturn killed them, not the DC. Anyways, Sega would be a great purchase for Ninty. Picture a Super Smash Brothers with Sonic! And not some stupid rumour, for REAL! They could even market it like Capcom vs. SNK, except Nintendo vs. Sega. Genius :D
Sega is a sinking ship. They have very little to offer and I'm sure they would be quite expensive. Now if they were just to buy out one Sega owned company, such as Overworks or Amusement Vision, than that might be alright

[Cooolcorey]

*drools* amusement vision....

That would be killer. Although, I don't know any franchises they've worked on besides F-Zero. Same for Overworks and Skies of Arcadia...

[Wh|tE gUy]

Nintendo needs a good 2nd party RPG developer. Hal isnt working on any and Camelot and Brownie Brown seem to be exclusively working on GBA titles.

[bountyhunter]

Overworks did shinobi and i think the shinobi sequel, and amusement vision also did the monkey ball games, which sort of makes them almost like a second party developer, but not quite.

[Wh|tE gUy]

I think Overworks may have done Billy Hatcher

[rpguidry]

Would you really want to be associated with Billy Hatcher?

[Wh|tE gUy]

Already am, its a GC exclusive

[Shoxx]

Billy Hatcher wasn't that bad of a game...I don't own it, but I rented it, and while I wasn't completely impressed, I still liked it.

[Hybrid Hunter]

If Nintendo were to buy out some company, it would probably be a small one.

[koten]

They should buy up Sammy! Not only would it get them into arcades, but they would also get Guilty Gear X

[Wh|tE gUy]

Sammy wouldnt be worth what it would cost them

[OutlawAdidas]

ninty should buy...um Natsume! Then they could work on Harvest Moon and Animal crossing games

[Wh|tE gUy]

Nintendo wont buy any single franchise companies that are fairly well known

[Nintendo]

So there is a rumor that Capcom and Sega will be exclusive to Nintendo?

[prime_timer]

what a nice rumor..... but a rumor nonetheless. would be nice though.

[koten]

Though it would be a dream come true... no, it's not going to happen, and that is a fact

[bountyhunter]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, koten, but if nintendo but some of segas and capcoms top talent then that would be wicked(overworks, sonic team, that RE game, the capcome zelda team)

[koten]

there is a company that has people from all sorts of places and they work for nintendo...

ohh yeah, and capcom is nintendo's new best buddy, or so it seems

[XboxEvolved]

It was Nintendo. Atari never had anything to do with Donkey Kong.

Actually sorta, DK came to Atari 2600 I think (Sega used to develop for Atari to!)

I will crap my pants if Factor 5 made a game for the xbox. They are just to good a developer.
It could happen, I would think it would be a good idea with the Xbox's online structure, and how well Star Wars games sell on Xbox but I'm pretty sure
Nintendo controls them somehow

Now Xbox players say "Who is getting Perfect Dark? Not you!"

and my favorit respons is "Who got Grabbed by the Ghoulies? Not Me!"
Well you got to shovel coal to get to the diamond, Blast Corps, Jet Force Gemni (sp) is proof of that.

Actually, if Rare was still with Nintendo I doubt they'd make Conker Live and Uncut.

1) It's a remake of a game already on a Nintendo system
2) It's called "Live" because it has XBox Live in it.
Actually it is a tactical shooting game, but it has Conker's Bad Fur Day from N64 as an added bonus.

Anyways, it was also M$ decision to put of Kameo, possibly even cancel it. After finishing Kameo they would have moved on to Donkey Kong Racing (remember that game?)
Actually Kameo probably got pushed back to end of this year because at E3 everyone thought it was boring, and played to much like Pokemon, so Rare is tweaking it. M$ had nothing to do
with the decision and that is what PISSES ME OFF. Rare had nothing to do with Grabbed by the Ghoulies, and infact were one step close to cancelling that game. I wish MS would (maybe they have started to)
put a gun to the Rare employee's heads and force them to pump out good games (like they did with Bungie) or else. Also it has nothing to do with a loyalty issue, with MS, if it does those Rare employees need to grow
up and realize they aren't going to get paid half as good anywere else as they will with Rare. Bungie was professional enough to swallow their pride and make a damned good game (they were strictly Mac before Xbox) so why can't these guys?

The only thing Rare took with them was Perfect Dark and Conker,
Rare also got Banjo and Killer Instinct..remember KILLER INSTINCT!?

Rare's first GBA game was Donkey Kong Country
It was Donkey Kong Land actually, and MS does put "Microsoft Game Studios" on the back of GBA games but they do not distribute them, THQ does. Before GBA,
Microsoft made a few GB games, and also currently I think 1 Rare game under the MS lable is out, and Munch's Odysee is out also.

Oh yeah and Sega is really going down hill, they had a lot of kickass Xbox exclusive titles like Panzer, JSRF, and GC had SMB, but other than that the only thing they are publishing (not even made it) this year that I look forward to is Otogi 2, and possibly, Shenmue 3...that is a fools dream there though.

[Miggy-AMN]

Tactical Shooter, John? Lol, I love Conker, but come on, you can do better than that to promote the Xbox.

[XboxEvolved]

That is what it is, he said it was a remake I was only stating what was officially announced.

[prime_timer]

yeah, Conker is just a remake with updated graphics and HDTV support... other than that, its Conkers multiplayer from N64 with some new options put online.

[Freak of Kane]

Originally posted by XboxEvolved
It could happen, I would think it would be a good idea with the Xbox's online structure, and how well Star Wars games sell on Xbox but I'm pretty sure
Nintendo controls them somehow
Really? I don't think so...I reckon F5 is working on something for XBox. What? I don't know...but maybe a Rogue Leader trilogy...Rebel X or whatever it's rumored to be called. I'd prefer something orifinal. One thing I do know is IF Factor 5 are working on something for XBox, they'll definitely try and squeeze every last drop of graphical power from it. Go for it.

It was Donkey Kong Land actually, and MS does put "Microsoft Game Studios" on the back of GBA games but they do not distribute them, THQ does. Before GBA,
Microsoft made a few GB games, and also currently I think 1 Rare game under the MS lable is out, and Munch's Odysee is out also.

That was a GB game. I believe that person was talking about GBA. Can't wait for DKC 2 :)

[prime_timer]

Im telling you guys, the only thing Factor 5 developed for Xbox was sound technologies. thats it. when it comes to games, they're Nintendo exclusive.

[Freak of Kane]

Prime Timer, they're not legally bound. Factor 5 choose to develop for Nintendo only. Key word here is choose. Also, I think they get quite a bit of pocket money from Nintendo for doing that. Apparantly a lot of F5 are die hard Nintendo fans, but don't quote me on that.

I'm thinking we'll have to wait till E3 to find out what's going on with them. As far as we know, they're already working on Pilotwings...but that's years off according to IGN so they must be working on other stuff e.g. the rumored Rebel X for Xbox is a possibility. It ties in with the comment by Julian whatshisname (of F5) said last year about them continually evaluating other platforms or something along the lines of that.

[prime_timer]

Also i read on IGN, that sound technologies, like the Musy X was all they were devloping for the xbox, but hey i could be wrong too.

[koten]

You guys know that nintendo has third parties that act like second parties (Treasure, Factor 5, Camelot). They have no legal bind to Nintendo, but they seem to develope exclusivly for them

[XboxEvolved]

yeah, Conker is just a remake with updated graphics and HDTV support... other than that, its Conkers multiplayer from N64 with some new options put online.

Have you SEEN the screen shots of this game or are you just guessing? It is a completely new game WITH that is WITH Conker's Bad Fur Day as an added bonus.

[koten]

10 to none odds its a remake with 1 new level thrown in... it's gunna suck, Rare sucks, end of story

[XboxEvolved]

Wow.

[OutlawAdidas]

Originally posted by Koten

You guys know that nintendo has third parties that act like second parties (Treasure, Factor 5, Camelot). They have no legal bind to Nintendo, but they seem to develope exclusivly for them



Oh yes, that is exactly why I love these companies. For that reason, loyalty and that they aren't blind like some other companies. Factor 5 does Star Wars, Camelot will come out with 2 very big titles, Golden Sun on the GC and Mario Tennis, both will sell past 1 million, and Treasure will bring out a very big Wario game. We have it, the future is ours.

[Freak of Kane]

I can't wait for Conker Live. I enjoyed Grabbed By The Goulies...I'm sure a lot of people might have too if they gave it a chance (or maybe not) or if this game wasn't on Xbox. The audience just isn't there unfortunately...I thought Xbox was largely made up of the hardcore, ex Nintendo fans who didn't care what a game looked like.

No doubt this game would have easily reached a million if this was on GC. Does anyone know how Kung Fu Chaos did? I love that game! What MS needs to do (purely from a business perspective) is expose Rare to mature only content from now on...and cancel Kameo if it hasn't been already. From a fan's point of view...don't, I can't wait till Kameo and am hoping it hasn't been cancelled. But if MS is hoping to crack the younger demographic with Rare, they can think again.

[koten]

Rare is a dead company... they are but a shell of their former selves... When a company goes from making kick *** games like Donkey Kong country series to Grabbed by the Gouhlies, something most have changed, and that has nothing to do with changing owners

[Kirbimirsha]

Ninty owns a part of bandai (!) n plenty of little studios in japan..... including that new one with 60 people from all the big companies! apparently they re working on new titles for nintnedo!

[OutlawAdidas]

I wanna see their first game. OMG, its gonna be big. You have people who has worked with capcom, square, namco and etc. all under nintendo's guiding hand, that spells success.

[Wh|tE gUy]

Are you sure that company is a second party? I was under the impression that it was 3rd.

[Shoxx]

It is a third party. Think about all the Gundam games and stuff that you see on PS2. But, Nintendo owns a small part of Bandai, and they are currently developing titles for Nintendo consoles. They could also be developing PS2 titles, or Xbox titles.

[Freak of Kane]

The new company you speak of...I thought that was either a new second party or most probably a new in-house team formed of ex employees from Segam, Capcom and Namco among others? Apparantly they are working on two projects. Hopefully we'll see both at E3. About two and a half months to go.

[koten]

I was sure that that company was an in-house development team. When i read abou them it siad they were working with shiggy

[prime_timer]

Its a 2nd party, and a skilled one at that... arent they working on a couple RPG's?

[Cooolcorey]

Yep, and they also have people from Square.

[koten]

I just hope they don't make a FF#-esque game... they are starting to get bland and repetative. The spin offs are getting to be more fun than the real ones!

[dethdemon]

Originally posted by koten
Nintendo needs some more second parties before the next generation. Factor 5 is a good one, also Treasure and Free Radical (though unlikely) would be great to add to nintendos team.

Oh by the way. Kane, I think Square owns brownie brown

I read somewhere, maybe it was IGN, but Miyamoto had said that the unammed developer who was developing Wario World was also a 2nd party so Nintendo may own the majority of Treasure.

[Freak of Kane]

Yeah, I remember Miyamoto saying that...but, I've heard of Treasure developing a game for a different platform, not sure which.

[Shoxx]

I haven't heard about anything related to Treasure since Wario World came out last year.

[koten]

I wish Treasure was a second party. I would love to see another Marina from Mischeif Makers in Smash Bros

[andre]

hopefully Zoonami will join the ranks of Nintendo.

[lilxleftee]

how about Camelot [mario tennis/golf]? any part of them owned by nintendo?

[Freak of Kane]

I think they're a very friendly third party. Can't guarantee that though.

[Kirbimirsha]

In any case i think that nintendo needs a developer in Europe after giving away rare to those fools at microsoft ! They can t even run the company properly seeing all the crap thats comin out of there now ( but maybe not PD0 though,who knows...)......
I ve heard that there are many companies in france that have financial problems and that have plenty of talent in the business.........alll they need is the financial back-up to create great games !
Maybe ninty could help those companies by purchasin them .......

Come on nintendo giv us a surprise announcement !!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. i wish aswell that tresure was at least a 2nd party dev.......but it looks very unlikely to me unfortunately(sob).

[andre]

well, now that Nintendo is rumored to be buying out some companies, this could get interesting.

[Wh|tE gUy]

according to the ign article, Nintendo is specifically looking to buy out companies with specific technology no one else has to get a jump on next generation. It even said Nintendo would be willing to buy multiple companies that all have the same technology just so they can monoplize the industry as far as that single technology is concerned

[Briton-AMN]

The previous post was made by a pro-evolution, pro-gay marriage, anti-****wad Democrat. jk! i agree white guy, nintend is focused on certain tech.

[andre]

do you guys have any idea on what kind of tech they are looking at? like i said, this could get VERY interesting. hope it is some kind of motion sensing technology, where you can manipulate the menus on the screen by waving your hands, like in Minority Report.

[koten]

Since nintendo has made this fund... and i believe there is 62 million in it (or was it 6.2?) they should definatly look at Factor 5, Treasure, Zoonami, and Camelot as new second/first party companies, after all... Retro recently became first party

[Eph_Yu]

They should own new companies or at least invest on them for future software. The current situation of Nintendo and the third party support is very disappointing to say the least. And with games like Killer 7 and recently Tales of Symphonia being ported to ps2, nintendo should secure their future and try to expand their software line-up.

[Wh|tE gUy]

I still say Factor 5 is not worth buying. They seem fairly loyal to Nintendo already and they only put out Star Wars games so who cares.

[Freak of Kane]

Don't forget they're working on a new pilotwings ;) Have these guys made any games other than arial shooters? I want to check out some other stuff of theirs.

[kellett03]

what about buying out a big company, like capcom or sega. Even if its only buying some of the company so they stay loyal